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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:33 am

    because the company is a private company, Kaliningrad hosts a lot of intelligent workers. Probably tax exemptions, and the fact they have a whole large technopark of their own in Kaliningrad Technopolis GS.

    Its like Kraftway making their own motherboards - They make motherboards for computers (made in Russia of course) for all types from Intel to even Elbrus. But I never seen a Made in Russia tag on them either.

    Reality of life. Things may change where they will have all the markings of patriotism. But I also think its a method to bypass certain bullshit that exists.
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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:47 am

    kvs wrote: As for big iron scientific computing, here is where Medvedev and pals should exert some effort.  They should make it affordable
    for Elbrus based supercomputers to be widely adopted by subsidizing them.   Don't waste the effort of office PCs.   I bet
    the original plan fell apart because idiots decided to fight in the PC Office market instead of market where it made sense.

    +1 however state agencies should also run Elbrus based office machines due to security issues, same with office software.



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    This is good news, however of all the places in Russia why locate the factory in Kaliningrad? a territory that is surrounded by NATO. I understand that people in Kaliningrad need jobs but maybe it is safer if manufacturing facilities that deal with important and tech related stuff is located deep inside Russia.

    because during NATO invasion set-top boxes or intelligent homes will unlikely be in high demand ? Smile










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    The Office has finally published a document that will become the starting point for the regulation of cryptology in Russia. The draft law discloses the basic concepts and requirements for market participants. The term "crypto-currency" is mentioned in the law only a few times, and the law itself is called "On digital financial assets". The document is planned to be submitted for consideration to the State Duma, where during several readings it may undergo some changes.



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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:22 am

    Project Canada wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:May I ask what you exactly do and how you judge the market structure?

    All i just wanted to happen is to see a set of Russian companies that can rival foreign ones like Toyota in car industry, Samsung in electronics, Microsoft in softwares, etc. I understand that there is pressure on foreign markets to avoid made in Russia products (including propaganda aimed at its quality) because of NATO interference but its no excuse to forgo such idea.

    I am going to try my best not to sound like an asshole.

    Look, I understand you wish for Russia to have all these mega corporations to appear everywhere around the world. But judging by your comments, you seem to really lack basic concept of world affairs. You think its equal trade. It isn't. NAFTA exists as a method to have control of the auto market between countries of Canada, US and Mexico. Hence why here in Canada you do not see Renault, Datsun, Tata Motors, Ashok Leland, Mahindra, Great Wall, or other motor brands.

    Lets be real here, Russia already has its Toyota. Its called Avtovaz. It is now starting to sell even in Germany believe it or not. Popular even in countries like Brazil were the Lada Neva was stupidly popular to the point were the government put ridiculous tariffs on it to prevent major sales as it was hurting other brands. Which brings to my point - many countries don't want it because Avtovaz isn't opening up plants in their countries. Avtovaz is owned as JV between Nissan and Renault. Yet its a massive growing potential and is already the most sold vehicle brand in Russia. UAZ is also growing in popularity with its Patriot line of SUV's and now trucks. Canada used to have long ago Lada dealerships. That was during a time when we as a country didn't have Nazi grandaughters running the show as an example.

    Samsung is rivaled by Sony, yet Sony is far behind now even though it was first before samsung. Did you know that South Korea is ruled by 4 companies? Daewoo, Hyundai, Samsung and I believe last one is LG. On average, people are paid rather shit and the country could be a heck of a lot richer if they had better business practices for small businesses. But they don't. Its a mafia ruled by 4 major companies. Russia had that, and it didn't work out for them when the management of these companies had complete grasp over the entire country. Looks great on paper, but in reality, you can make big bucks on building PCB's and slapping on the ready to go processors and what not, slap on a display coming from another OEM manufacturer, making your own chasis, and calling it your own phone. Russian companies do this currently. And they make stupid money on it. Some of the stuff to the phone is made in Russia, but majority of the innerds are not. The display cystals is from Russia. But its made in China. A growing TV brand from China Hasanng I believe its called, uses a samsung display. Its just rebranded and much cheaper. Russia has their own developers of microprocessors, but currently they are very specific to their tasks and not ARM based just yet, not until Baikal comes out with their ARM processors (if they ever do that is).

    Microsoft? Well, currently if you want a Russian OS thats used rather often and growing in popularity, you can use either Arch Linux or Rosa Linux: http://www.astra-linux.com/ | http://www.rosalab.com/

    Rosa Linux is actually rather very good and is initially a JV between Mandrake of France and Russia. Now its own entity and growing in popularity for everything from Office use, home use and server use since they have their own closed systems too.

    But Microsoft has a cornered market for so long cause of its API - DirectX as an example. Its what controls the gaming sector entirely, at least until recently with Vulcan which works under Linux. Windows is used about 90% of all desktop computers. Why hasn't China come up with an alternative? or others? Because there really isn't need to currently. Microsoft though is going to lose a lot of steam due to the fact that they were far too closed of a system, when its initial development back during the IBM, Solaris, HP, and other custom OS', were it was designed to work on all the machines with the inclusion of dos.

    Anyway, I think you may need to really do more research and actually look at the concept of how the world market works. US has dominance because all trade went through New York. Because up until recently, all companies, all countries, business men etc, when wanting to trade with each other; had to trade between USD. So with such a powerful control, came with a concept of building nearly unlimited money and influence, and the ability to fund programs with endless cash in the form of loans.
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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:13 am

    AFK Sistema and Rostek technically created a joint venture in the field of microelectronics
    http://tass.ru/forumsochi2018/articles/4963750

    SOCHI, February 15th. / TASS /. AFK Sistema and Rostek have completed the technical aspects of setting up a joint venture in the field of microelectronics, it remains to settle a number of procedural issues, Vladimir Yevtushenkov, the main shareholder of Sistema, told journalists on the sidelines of the Russian Investment Forum in Sochi.

    "We created [a joint venture with Rostekh]. We will issue a government decree, and it will be considered that we created it," Yevtushenkov said. According to him, technical details have already been negotiated, "procedural things remained."

    The JV includes seven enterprises from the AFK side: the assets of the NIIME Group (part of the RTI concern) and the assets of Micron. On the part of Rostekh, the joint venture included 15 enterprises of the RosElectronics group of companies.
    In June of this year, AFK Sistema and Russian Electronics (part of the Rostekh state corporation) signed an agreement on intentions to create a joint company in the field of microelectronics. It was assumed that AFC will get control in the joint venture. Then it was noted that the deal to create the merged company is supposedly to be closed before the end of the first quarter of 2018. However, at the end of 2017, the head of Rostek, Sergei Chemezov, said that the state corporation had frozen the project with AFK Sistema to unite the assets in the electronics sector because of courts of the AFC with Rosneft.

    Now the question how they will proceed with growth...







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    ARPE: Russia should take 3% of the world electronics market for the development of the digital economy
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    MOSCOW, June 28. / TASS /. Russia now occupies only 0.3% of the world electronics market. However, for the successful development of the digital economy in the future, the country needs to increase its share to 3% by 2035, said Ivan Pokrovsky, Executive Director of the Association of Electronics Developers and Manufacturers (ARPE) at the conference "Russian Electronics: Finding New Growth Points".

    According to him, the task of the state in this situation is to adjust the regulation in such a way that there is an opportunity for creative competition, "compensating" a little for the backlog of Russian companies from foreign companies at the start. Pokrovsky believes that it is necessary to make the electronics industry in Russia profitable (now it is subsidized).

    "0.3% of the world market is the level from which you can only roll down." The industry can not develop with modern requirements of scale of activity if we occupy a minimum of 3% of the world market. We need to somehow overcome this gap. a ticket to the development of technology, "Pokrovsky said, stressing that without this it will be impossible to successfully develop the digital economy in the future.

    Now in the global electronics market the situation is such that a number of transnational companies "take all investment resources from the market, others do not have anything left," the expert added.

    In his view, for the successful development of Russian electronics, it is necessary to identify 6-8 priority areas and ensure the emergence of 12 companies with billions of turnover, the total revenue of which should be 25 billion rubles. "These are the guidelines that we need to adjust to," Pokrovsky said.

    One of the indicators that the state "correctly adjusted development," will be an increase in investment in the electronics industry of distribution companies, system integrators and telecom operators and other IT services. When such companies become profitable to invest in development and production, the industry will develop very quickly, Pokrovsky is sure.

    Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation Andrey Belousov, commenting on the situation, noted that the support of Russian electronics by the state up to the present moment was reduced to subsidizing various kinds of expenses. "It's clear that such a support model is running out pretty quickly," he said. "A year ago, we connected another form, an attempt to consolidate state demand and focus it on Russian producers."

    He specified that this mechanism was only concerned with microelectronics. "We have one and a half enterprises there -" Mikron "and" Angstrom-T "as a half," Belousov said.

    Now, in his opinion, the situation is changing, and it is necessary to define "the forms of development that need to be created in the next three to five years." Belousov suggested that representatives of the electronics industry within a week prepare proposals for the regulation of the program for the development of the digital economy of Russia, which will be considered on July 5 at the Presidential Council on Strategic Development and Priority Projects.

    In addition, Belousov also proposed the creation of a working group of developers and electronics manufacturers, which will develop its proposals to increase import duties on electronics. He did not rule out that in case of urgent need it is possible to introduce temporary duties at the level of Russia.

    Chances to reach 3% exist
    Chairman of the Board of Directors of the company "Altonika radio systems" Alexander Sheptovetsky believes that Russia has a chance to increase its share to 3% in the global electronics market. "But in the world of electronics, there are three trends - auto electronics, gadgets, IoT (Internet of things - ed., TASS), we do not have much of anything in auto electronics, we can move there, but we will not be in time for global players.In the field of gadgets, we need to move to the market, and this is mainly South-East Asia - it's also hard with our conditions, regulators, etc. It remains IoT - Russia in this area can take its place, "he said.

    Vasily Brovko, the director for special assignments of the state corporation Rostek, said that the problem of Russian electronics is that it is not competitive in terms of product characteristics, and for its development it is necessary to actively include partnerships and buy Russian players. "If we do not grow at this rate (22.5% per year) and we do not reduce the difference in size between us and our competitors, we will simply be absorbed at some point," he said.

    At the same time, Russian electronics should be supplied not only to the domestic market, but also to the international market, Brovko believes. To do this, Russian electronics need, first of all, to increase their own efficiency, as well as develop new products and key technologies.

    The program currently under development for the development of the digital economy in Russia will provide "the maximum multiplier effect for the Russian industry," Brovko believes. "There will be no Russian industry if it is not digital, if it does not meet the current challenges of the 21st century, and these challenges are electronics," he stressed.

    Consortia are needed
    Andrei Bezrukov, the strategic marketing director of the GS Group holding, is confident that the basis of the digital economy is electronics. "It is quite difficult to build an independent international subject Russia by 2035, without advanced technology, without making a bet on Russian electronics," he said. In addition, it is important for the digital economy to create communities and consortia, Bezrukov added.

    The need to create consortia in the development of the digital economy in the framework of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum in June this year, said the head of the Center for Strategic Research Alexei Kudrin. He noted that, according to the organization, in the next two to three years in Russia, it is necessary to create from 15 to 20 such consortia.

    Bezrukov believes that the goal - to take 3% of the world electronics market by 2035 - should be fixed at the legislative level. "Obviously, if we want Russia as a leader and an independent country in 2035, we need to attend to it now." We are not on the threshold, we have already completely plunged into this new world, "he said. Earlier GS Group together with other large private players of the Russian electronics industry - Zelax, Atol, Etalon Factory and Svyaz Engineering - created ARPE, whose goal is to develop the industry and dialogue with the state.

    "We, as an investor, have already invested more than 6 billion rubles in the creation and production, and competencies, several thousand jobs, training of personnel." We are ready to invest the same order of magnitude in the case if Russia really does appear (the goal is to achieve 3% of the world electronics market - Ed. Tass), "Bezrukov added.

    Requires project office
    According to Bezrukov, to improve business interaction with ministries and departments, it is necessary to create a project office within the government of the Russian Federation for the development of information technology, electronics and the digital economy. "We believe that this initiative is timely, it will improve coordination and help implement many programs, including the program for the development of Russia's digital economy," he said.

    According to ARPE, there are more than 3,000 companies (developers and manufacturers) in the electronics industry in Russia, about 500 of them are controlled by the state, the rest - private. The annual sales of electronic equipment are estimated at $ 10 billion.

    TASS together with the Association of Developers and Electronics Manufacturers are the organizers of the conference "Russian Electronics: Finding New Points of Growth".

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    miketheterrible wrote:
    Project Canada wrote: I am going to try my best not to sound like an asshole.

    OK apology accepted Laughing Laughing Laughing


    Look, I understand you wish for Russia to have all these mega corporations to appear everywhere around the world.  But judging by your comments, you seem to really lack basic concept of world affairs.  You think its equal trade.  It isn't.  NAFTA exists as a method to have control of the auto market between countries of Canada, US and Mexico.  Hence why here in Canada you do not see Renault, Datsun, Tata Motors, Ashok Leland, Mahindra, Great Wall, or other motor brands.

    Lets be real here, Russia already has its Toyota.  Its called Avtovaz.  

    Actually Avtovaz is like 50%- blocking share in Renault's hands since 2014 but localization level is huge. Russia IMHO has ost of chance sin new industries (industry 4.0 if you prefer) so IoT, all around robotization  , cognitive systems, additive manufacturing, genetic  engineering.[/quote]
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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:40 pm

    Predictions about market share are a joke. The focus should be on developing innovative solutions at affordable prices. And
    having the manufacturing capacity to deliver.

    The developers of the Elbrus processor need to put a true 64 bit version does not have any FLOP penalty from doing double precision
    math. Single precision is crap for many scientific computations. Test this by doing some accounting with a single precision program.
    For sums not exceeding $10,000 you will see errors in the tens of cents and cents categories.

    The aim should be to develop a serious processor for supercomputers. They could have a consumer variant but you get no 64 bit math penalty in AMD and Intel consumer processors.

    Russia could take advantage of the coming transition to super-massive parallel computing using GPU-like processors. GPU processors
    require serious code changes since they cannot handle branching. Some sort of code manipulator can be designed that isolates branches
    and calculates all of them at once explicitly instead of relying on branch prediction in hardware. Such code tools are not trivial to design
    and Russian abstract software knowhow is world class.
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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:49 pm

    Well, GPU processors are VLIW, which is what Elbrus processors are. Their method of 64bit computing works in raw power which in this case, I agree, they need 64bit instructions by default these days. The path forward is rather set and their new Elbrus 8SM sounds promising. So I ha e faith in MCST (Don't forget, their the innovator initially with dual core processing).

    I am quite intrigued by their 64bits MIPS processor. Too bad it's rather limited to research and some applications only

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