UFOs & Extraterrestrial Life

The ancient Egyptian obelisks resemble rockets.

My penis resembles a rocket... what should we deduce from that?

Maybe the feminists are right and men are fixated with their dicks and these obelisks are just some men showing off to the women of the village or the next village.

When people with an agenda take on the control of research then they can take things anywhere they want... trump wanting biden investigated is evidence of trumps criminality, but lets ignore biden admit to criminal activity and be ignored...

My penis resembles a rocket... what should we deduce from that?
Maybe the feminists are right and men are fixated with their dicks and these obelisks are just some men showing off to the women of the village or the next village.

AFAIK, its size & shape r the main things for any woman in a man; those smart enough to build them had something other than their attention on their mind.
This resembles a different kind of craft:

Wow... that is amazing... that actually looks like... a rock.

Tsavo Lion wrote:
but only the Cro Magnon/Homo Sapiens was predisposed to supesede them & advance to be useful to & "serve Gods".

Even cro magnon has been around for 200,000 years.

they gave us just enough to survive, better maintain ourselves, multiply....

For billions of years, many successful species did that.

The evidence is there: there was a nuclear war in the ancient ME & possily India among the aliens that led to the spread of Sumer civilization to E. Asia & elsewhere. Read the relevant Sumerian & Hindu texts!

People sometimes read too much into the texts.

that's how different breeds were developed, but not the earliest domesticated animal & plant species.

Humans captured animals, especially young ones after killing parents perhaps, some of which could be trained and domesticated, and bred them to accentuate favorable traits.

Tsavo Lion wrote:
The ancient Egyptian obelisks resemble rockets.

Obeslisks were erected to commemorate pharoahs. Is any of the writing on them indicative of space flight or just the pharoah?...

The Great Pyramid wasn't a tomb but a navigation aid; together with Sphynx, according to geologists, it's at least 10K years old.

I'm sure pro egyptologists would beg to differ....

Nibiru could have an internal source of heat; the Solar system could be a binary star system to provide heat & light to it

All planets have internal heat sources but no terrestrial planet can have adequate surface heat long enough to enable intelligent life to evolve--unless it's so massive gravity would prohibit life as we know it.
If the sun was part of a binary system the other star would've been long known from its gravitational effects; it's obviously not visible in which case it can't impart heat worth mentioning to any planet.

GarryB wrote:Wow... that is amazing... that actually looks like... a rock.

with perfect rectangular holes in it.

For billions of years, many successful species did that.

only single cell organisms appeared that long ago; even then I doubt they didn't die out/evolve into something else.

Obeslisks were erected to commemorate pharoahs. Is any of the writing on them indicative of space flight or just the pharoah?...

the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence.
They were erected long after those rockets left the Earth; a pharaoh was 1 of the gods, the head priest, & commander in chief, i.e. the defender of the faith.
The Washington Monument obelisk isn't a mere 3-D depiction of a similar shape found on an Atlantic crab underside. https://barnegatshellfish.org/images/Crabs/blue_crab/705/jimmy02l.PNG

pro egyptologists would beg to differ....

they made mistakes before, like any other pro anthropologist can. Their carriers r at stake & those who go against the prevailing  trend suffer.

All planets have internal heat sources but no terrestrial planet can have adequate surface heat long enough to enable intelligent life to evolve--unless it's so massive gravity would prohibit life as we know it.

they could have evolved on a different planet before colonizing Nibiru, which could originate in a different system before being ejected. There r many dark wandering planets in our Galaxy, & some get eventually captured by stars.

If the sun was part of a binary system the other star would've been long known from its gravitational effects; it's obviously not visible in which case it can't impart heat worth mentioning to any planet.

it could be swallowed by a black hole or disappear from the system by some other event. We don't know enough about the Solar system past.
https://youtu.be/3opLjoSRDKs

All the evidence so far, makes existence of ET, intelligent or otherwise a probability. Not certainty. From theory scientists now claim that worm holes can be detected and used perhaps for transport. As KVS said.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2019/10/25/2127022/scientists-claim-they-figured-out-how-to-spot-wormholes

it could be swallowed by a black hole or disappear from the system by some other event. We don't know enough about the Solar system past.

A black hole would be pretty catastrophic for everything in our solar system wouldn't it?

And that would be the only way it could disappear... gravity attracting and all if it was part of this system the chances are it would have brought other items in to the system rather than expelling itself or everything else out.

All the evidence so far, makes existence of ET, intelligent or otherwise a probability. Not certainty.

As we learn more and more about the universe we live in I think it becomes more and more obvious that we are not the only life forms in the universe.

with perfect rectangular holes in it.

Often large boulders have layers or strata within them made of different materials... a couple of layers of limestone for instance and a bit of acidity in the local water and you get perfect rectangular parts removed from the rock... and that assumes it was not something man did.

the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence.

Of course the fact that no examples of rocket based shapes on these things doesn't mean they are not supposed to be rockets, but if they are supposed to represent rockets why have they covered them in stuff about kings and leaders instead of these rockets... where they came from and who came on them.

However if you want to make a claim you need some actual evidence to prove it, rather than claim it could be true because there is no evidence to actually disprove the theory.

nomadski wrote:All the evidence so far, makes existence of ET, intelligent or otherwise a probability. Not certainty.

To me, civilian & military radar records & filmed sightings, destroyed fighters, missile fields inactivations, materials that can't be produced here, implants, cattle mutilations that's can't be attributed to predators, etc. r evidence enough.

This video assumes that they may 1 day come here to settle. I doubt it- per Hawkins, in 600-1K years, the Earth won't be habitable. The aliens would know that too. Makes more sense to pick another planet as the new home.
https://futurism.com/stephen-hawking-humans-must-leave-earth-within-600-years

The commonality of "UFO" stories through different cultures and different eras is likely to be a reflection of human psychology. Humans
contrive gods, so they can contrive flying objects and blaster beams and other things "alien" to their everyday reality.

The chance that there are high tech civilizations on other planets is not zero by a long shot. But that does not imply that we have
had any contact with those other civilizations. And the "evidence" for humans having been seeded by aliens is a joke. Rapid evolution
is known as punctuated equilibrium. The fossil record is full of data showing that evolution proceeds in bursts separated by rather
long periods of "stagnation". It is not a linear, secular process. Human brain development reached a critical point about 10 million
years ago and opened up a new accessible evolutionary state which appeared as as a rapid succession of human variants and the
associated rapid increase in brain size. You can think of it like an entry barrier. So a rhesus monkey will not rapidly evolve into
a large-brained primate. But some chimp variant can under the right environmental conditons. It is interesting how we have our
ancestor species still alive in a relatively unchanged form. Evolution is not a sequence of life forms, it is the perpetual branching
of existing species into either successful new species or dead ends. The tree trunk does not disappear unless there is some selective
cull through events like global warming which kills of species through environmental stress. So a branch can become a new trunk.

It is interesting how we have our
ancestor species still alive in a relatively unchanged form.

Modern apes r not the descendants of our direct ancestors.
Alien DNA was successfully implanted in 1 ape specie to make us, & incidentally made us mentally weak/deficient to depend on religion for better societal control & provide laborers, servants, concubines, & cannon fodder.
Those who allegedly invented Sumerian creation myths describing it wouldn't know enough on their own to do so.

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Tsavo Lion wrote:
To me, civilian & military radar records & filmed sightings, destroyed fighters, missile fields inactivations, materials that can't be produced here, implants, cattle mutilations that's can't be attributed to predators, etc. r evidence enough.

I believe in UFOs and the ETH--plenty of physical evidence rules out a purely psychological explanation. But we shouldn't attribute everything to aliens, like our origins. Fossils document the transition to brainier, more human-like hominids--from Australopithecus to Homo erectus to Homo sapiens. This took at least a few million years and can be attributed to natural evolution.

Tsavo Lion wrote:
the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence.

GarryB said it for me here.

they could have evolved on a different planet before colonizing Nibiru, which could originate in a different system before being ejected.

What observational evidence is there for the existence of "niburu"? Aliens wouldn't colonize a perpetually frozen wasteland but some planet nearer the sun.

it could be swallowed by a black hole....

But the black hole would not disappear after swallowing something; its gravitational effects would still be there but we have no evidence for a black hole, binary star or "niburu."

Fossils document the transition to brainier, more human-like hominids--from Australopithecus to Homo erectus to Homo sapiens.

but that doesn't exclude the possibility of alien intervention. How do we know that they had only natural gene mutations? There r no our direct ancestors in the incomplete fossil record so far- just different dead end hominid/human species that may have interbred with each other & Neanderthals/Denisovans & Homo Sapiens before passing some percentage of their genes to us.

What observational evidence is there for the existence of "niburu"?

There is indirect evidence in the pattern of the dwarf planets and other small, icy objects that could be caused by the Planet X, which could be the Nibiru.
This large object could explain the unique orbits of at least five smaller objects discovered in the distant Kuiper Belt. https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/hypothetical-planet-x/in-depth/

Also, Mysterious Planet X may be black hole that’s ’10 times heavier than Earth but the size of a bowling ball’ on edge of our Solar System
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/10032900/planet-x-black-hole-solar-system/

And where did the Mars size object came from that they say collided with proto-Earth & created our Moon? It couldn't have formed as Mars twin at or beyond its orbit- a bigger planet would be there instead. So, it could more likely be 1 of the Nibiru's moons.
https://www.space.com/29047-how-moon-formed-earth-collision-theory.html

https://www.space.com/19275-moon-formation.html

Aliens wouldn't colonize a perpetually frozen wasteland but some planet nearer the sun.

It could've been altered by them to have enough heat & light. They could even hollow it out & stay underground during its apogee/winter.

Modern apes r not the descendants of our direct ancestors.

There are lots of animals that remain the same over time because their habitat does not change and they are already adapted to survive in that environment... the shark has not changed in millions of years, and lots of other animals have changed.


Why do you think gene manipulation by aliens or anything else has anything to do with human evolution... everything else seems to be evolving without interference... and more importantly without culture even the genetically most advanced species would be pretty ignorant without passed on knowledge... and most people would believe what their elders told them if they have no proof it is not true except when it is proven to not be needed to be true.

Ie super space alien advanced DNA human is born amongst the general population and it told by its parents about the gods and their power over life and death... over time these people might realise that god does not control the sunrise and that it happens whether they are good or bad... and crop failures don't seem to occur every time people are rude to god but seem to occur every time there is not enough rain inland and the river starts to shrink to a trickle... there is a warm time of year and a cold time of year... we know they worked that out because they also tended to develop calendars and quite sophisticated night time charts of stars... they probably had no idea about the actual configuration of the solar system, but they worked out some were wanderers (planets) and some were not (stars and galaxy clusters etc)... the point is that they learned about natural processes and god became less and less a reason for things to happen... but that would be the same for the genetic super people as for the rest.

Douglas Adams had the amusing idea that the whole of the earth was actually a giant and complex computer to determine ultimate question. It was destroyed too early by a Vogon constructor fleet and had to be rebuilt. When it was rebuilt a ship containing unwanted people like phone sanitisers and hair dressers and middle management people crash landed... the primitive locals all died out and were replaced by a bunch of idiots... I remember it well because the captain of the space ship was David Jason... Granville from Open All Hours...

There are lots of animals that remain the same over time because their habitat does not change and they are already adapted to survive in that environment...

True; with apes, they r just different branches of their evolutionary tree. But with humans, it seems they had most mutations & species of which only the Homo Sapiens & the elusive Bigfoot which is probably descended from Gigantopithecus survived.

Why do you think gene manipulation by aliens or anything else has anything to do with human evolution... everything else seems to be evolving without interference...

A domestic cat shares 98% of its genes with a tiger; 96% shared between chimpanzee & a human. The DNA difference with gorillas, another of the African apes, is about 1.6%. Most importantly, chimpanzees, bonobos, and humans all show this same amount of difference from gorillas. A difference of 3.1% distinguishes us and the African apes from the Asian great ape, the orangutan. How do the monkeys stack up?  All of the great apes and humans differ from rhesus monkeys, for example, by about 7% in their DNA.
..humans, chimpanzees, and bonobos are more closely related to one another than either is to gorillas or any other primate. From the perspective of this powerful test of biological kinship, humans are not only related to the great apes – we are one. The DNA evidence leaves us with one of the greatest surprises in biology: the wall between human, on the one hand, and ape or animal, on the other, has been breached. The human evolutionary tree is embedded within the great apes. http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics

Waiting for a human to evolve on its own would take too long, so the aliens had to pick the most suitable ape specie & change its DNA.

Ie super space alien advanced DNA human is born amongst the general population and it told by its parents about the gods and their power over life and death... over time these people might realise that god does not control the sunrise and that it happens whether they are good or bad... and crop failures don't seem to occur every time people are rude to god but seem to occur every time there is not enough rain inland and the river starts to shrink to a trickle...they also tended to develop calendars and quite sophisticated night time charts of stars... they probably had no idea about the actual configuration of the solar system, but they worked out some were wanderers (planets) and some were not (stars and galaxy clusters etc)... the point is that they learned about natural processes and god became less and less a reason for things to happen... but that would be the same for the genetic super people as for the rest.

The priests explained away all these phenomena to less educated & observant folks to suit their agenda maintaining/changing beliefs, & to determine the time to plant crops, celebrate harvests, predict lunar eclipses & other events. Astrology was highly developed in Babylon & China.
Demigods like Gilgamesh were the 1s who came from both aliens & humans; they been better trained & knew a lot more than the rest.

cattle mutilations that's can't be attributed to predators,

You didn't mention crop circles... because they got caught making them.

Cattle mutilations that are not attributed to wild animals must be aliens?

I guess jack the ripper was an alien?

Generally the word mutilation is reserved for what people do to things or sometimes themselves... there is no need to suggest an alien did it... there are almost 8 billion other potential suspects on this planet.

A domestic cat shares 98% of its genes with a tiger; 96% shared between chimpanzee & a human. The DNA difference with gorillas, another of the African apes, is about 1.6%. Most importantly, chimpanzees, bonobos, and humans all show this same amount of difference from gorillas. A difference of 3.1% distinguishes us and the African apes from the Asian great ape, the orangutan. How do the monkeys stack up? All of the great apes and humans differ from rhesus monkeys, for example, by about 7% in their DNA.
..humans, chimpanzees, and bonobos are more closely related to one another than either is to gorillas or any other primate. From the perspective of this powerful test of biological kinship, humans are not only related to the great apes – we are one. The DNA evidence leaves us with one of the greatest surprises in biology: the wall between human, on the one hand, and ape or animal, on the other, has been breached. The human evolutionary tree is embedded within the great apes

DNA is basically shared by all life on planet earth and most of it does fuck all now... saying 96 percent of DNA is shared between two animals is actually saying quite a lot... we have four limbs and a head with two eyes and a nose and a mouth and two ears... we share that with apes and monkeys and cats and dogs and horses and sheep... are we related? Were they changed into what they are because a different set of aliens evolved from sheep or cats wanted them to be the dominant species and so they changed their DNA not knowing other ape based aliens had already done the same to help their team?

Why would these aliens care about making intelligent life... surely a planet with abundant water and air and the right temperature is exactly what they want without having to negotiate with its present owners... why would they create essentially what will be rivals to the earths resources?

Are they stupid?

If they want to play with DNA they could have taken some ape descendents and played with their DNA all they liked.

Waiting for a human to evolve on its own would take too long, so the aliens had to pick the most suitable ape specie & change its DNA.

Even if you are right... how long is too long... there is no point in manipulating the DNA if you don't then control the stock... a farmer doesn't pay enormous amounts of cash for high quality bull sperm to then fertilise small unproductive females in the hope the general quality of the herd will improve... he will pick his best females and hope to get a good bull that he can then raise better quality calves and of course sell his sperm for a small fortune too...

If we have this guiding hand... whether god or alien... why didn't it just happen overnight instead of over a period of millions of years... and WTF were they doing the first 4.5 billion years... in the scale of the age of the earth we are a minor afterthought.

The priests explained away all these phenomena to less educated & observant folks to suit their agenda maintaining/changing beliefs, & to determine the time to plant crops, celebrate harvests, predict lunar eclipses & other events. Astrology was highly developed in Babylon & China.

Priests didn't work out squat... it was farmers that worked out when to plant which crops and which crop rotations were needed to keep the soil productive... there is no section in the bible on farming or how the calendar should work... and if there was they would have fucked that up and demand everyone follow it anyway.

Priests relied on fear of the unknown and made promises to rich and poor alike... faith is not about a bond between you and your god... it is about convincing yourself that everything is going to be OK and all the dead people you knew are waiting for you in heaven so don't worry about them all the time or get negative and suicidal at your insignificance... god loves you all the same and he forgives... makes it an opportunity for bad people to turn around and become better people, but sadly also creates division and conflict that makes good people bad people too.

Demigods like Gilgamesh were the 1s who came from both aliens & humans; they been better trained & knew a lot more than the rest.

Calling them aliens is a way of getting around the problems of having multiple gods... you can't have multiple kings because they would destroy each other, and multiple gods would always be interfering in each others business like superpowers during a cold war do.

The solution is one all powerful god and demigods that might be aliens and therefore not actual gods... their power is technology and science except their holy texts don't contain anything actually useful you could use... they can fly... but they never show anyone how... they can create fire from nothing but conceal their cigarette lighter in their palm so no one can see it...

Almost like they are people from the future going back in time and impressing the primitives, but some people like you prefer to call them aliens.

Before the written word and even long after it when 98% of people couldn't read or write, the few who could kept the records we read today. Other knowledge of the day was passed down through stories and songs and poems from father to son and from mother to daughter... the fact that these stories got told over and over again... like chinese whispers... with each retelling they will change a little so even within one village the same story might sound totally different through different families... the person writing it down probably heard their own version of the story too and might choose to make their own embellishments too.

From village to village you could probably hear thousands of different stories... all with morals to teach children how to behave and what is acceptable and what is not... in the stories those who are bad are punished and those that are good are rewarded... our entertainment industry hasn't really changed that much... trying to impose morality and social control on the general audience (general public).

the point is that the Bible is an area specific book of morality tales all intertwined with a fictional god and related fictional characters to support the morals in the stories. Old stories with original characters were likely rewritten to incorporate familiar stories with these new invented characters... there are lots of stories from ancient times about the end of the world and great floods... and they turned it into the story of Noah and it explained why there was flooding... you didn't love Jesus and god enough you bad people so they started again... etc etc.

Cattle mutilations that are not attributed to wild animals must be aliens? I guess jack the ripper was an alien?

Precision cuts were made to remove body parts & organs that can't be made with scalpels; there was a sigthing of a cow being lifted to a UFO & then dropped dead missing all blood & some parts/organs.

Why would these aliens care about making intelligent life...

according to Sitchin, they had to mine gold in S. Africa to protect their atmosphere from radiation & needed an intelligent worker so they wouldn't have to do it all by themselves.

Even if you are right... how long is too long... there is no point in manipulating the DNA if you don't then control the stock...

they made enough sets of pairs to multiply on their own.

If we have this guiding hand... whether god or alien... why didn't it just happen overnight instead of over a period of millions of years... and WTF were they doing the first 4.5 billion years...

before they came here, there was no need for humans- they just used what was available then to make the best biological approximation of themselves: "..in his own image created he them".

Priests didn't work out squat... it was farmers that worked out when to plant which crops and which crop rotations were needed to keep the soil productive... there is no section in the bible on farming or how the calendar should work...

Shamans & priests before the Bible were pretty much involved in keeping the calendars accurate, predict lunar phases to plan for night hunting, & give advice to rulers for appropriate times to start projects, wars, expeditions, etc.,etc.
Organized religions all borrow from each other & evolve but their origin had to start from some real events & somewhere, & where else but in in Mesopotamia, where the 1st civilization rose.

Tsavo Lion wrote:

It is interesting how we have our
ancestor species still alive in a relatively unchanged form.

Modern apes r not the descendants of our direct ancestors.
Alien DNA was successfully implanted in 1 ape specie to make us, & incidentally made us mentally weak/deficient to depend on religion for better societal control & provide laborers, servants, concubines, & cannon fodder.
Those who allegedly invented Sumerian creation myths describing it wouldn't know enough on their own to do so.

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You are spouting BS. If you look at the skeletons of all the hominids they map right back onto ape like precursors:



The fossil record proves that humans evolved from a chimp-like ancestor. BTW, I never claimed we evolved from chimps.
Chimps have followed from a changing line over the last 10 million years as well.

There r several fossils that been declared a missing link between us & them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_link_(human_evolution)#Famous_%22missing_links%22_in_human_evolution

How come no1 found a definite fossil proof yet that would be a lot more recent than the earlier hominids, besides the later even more recent humans that been found?

How come there are no alien corpses or alien space craft or actual physical evidence anything like what you are suggesting happened?

Tsavo Lion wrote:
It could've been altered by them to have enough heat & light. They could even hollow it out & stay underground during its apogee/winter.

Even at perihelion/summer a planet that far out will be a frozen wasteland. Why not just terraform Venus or Mars? All they'd have to do is alter surface conditions; no need to go through the tremendous trouble of hollowing out a planet...

GarryB wrote:How come there are no alien corpses or alien space craft or actual physical evidence anything like what you are suggesting happened?

In the early 40's and 50's, the cover story for UFO sightings became swamp gas, weather balloons etc, and just after the Kennedy assassination, the CIA, coined the phrase conspiracy theorist, in a effort to ridicule anyone who questioned the official story.
https://www.paranormalcrucible.com/2019/02/giant-human-skeleton-found-in-thailand.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts#Religious_and_cultural_practices

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/02/skeleton-of-an-ancient-giant-found-in-iran/

https://www.ancient-code.com/mystery-18-giant-skeletons-found-wisconsin/

http://humansarefree.com/2014/09/the-great-smithsonian-cover-up-18-giant.html
http://www.sydhav.no/giants/newspapers.htm

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/smithsonian-admits-to-destruction-of-thousands-of-giant-human-skeletons-in-early-1900s/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/skeletons-china-giants-5000-year-old-archaeologists-discovered-jiaojia-jinan-shandong-a7824326.html

https://newsinstact.com/alien/giant-skeleton-found-at-khao-khanap-nam-cave-makes-the-news/

https://www.ancient-code.com/scientists-analyze-giant-skeletons-found-in-ecuador-and-peru/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts#Irish_Book_of_Invasions

https://listverse.com/2013/08/15/10-mysterious-artifacts-that-are-allegedly-alien/

http://www.aliens-everything-you-want-to-know.com/AlienImplants.html

Crashed craft were either recovered by aliens, got destroyed/buried by natural processes, or salvaged & taken apart by humans for toys, souvenirs, & as materials to make other things.

If aliens visit the earth, what do they want/

If they want to us to know about them, they can easily contact us in a much more obvious way - for example by landing their crafts in the middle of a large city.

If they don't know us to know about them, then with their tech being centuries ahead of us, they could easily stay stealth.