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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  TheRealist on Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:25 am

    EBRD stated that Russia has failed in its drive to diversify its economy, is this case true or not?

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    Post  TR1 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:06 am

    TheRealist wrote:EBRD stated that Russia has failed in its drive to diversify its economy, is this case true or not?

    Economy is still massively reliant on natural resource exports, no deputing that.
    That said, there is nothing wrong with exploiting natural wealth, as long as neglected or outdated sectors are improved.
    Corruption is, as always, a quagmire. Both with big corporations, small business, military, etc etc.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:54 am

    Russia is taking steps and investing in technology and other areas to make money.

    If you own a farm that grows tobacco you sell tobacco... even if its proper use is not good for people. You don't suddenly stop producing Tobacco... you keep making money from it and use that income to develop areas of your economy till they can stand on their own against international competition.

    Very simply they make a lot of money on Gas and oil exports because they can.

    In 50 years hopefully the world will be less dependent on oil and gas but what ever the alternatives are Russia will be producing that too.

    Even if overnight oil and gas could be replaced with some new technology, the infrastructure would need to be developed and produced so the west is going to have to spend money on new infrastructure soon... where is that money coming from?


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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  NickM on Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:09 am

    ricky123 wrote: previously indians preferred russia but there were some racial attacks and also the medical degree is not recognized in india cuz the course is a little diff . i think russia could have done more in that dept ...
    just listen to putin when asked Why there are fewer Indian students going to Russia now?

    Indians have a habit of invading every country in the guise of students , businessmen etc . No wonder they are NOT liked in Russia and western countries. They get killed because of this and in any case they get killed in India as well due to religious and other reasons.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  medo on Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:30 am

    Russia is investing huge money in agronomy and industry as well as transport, new power plants, etc. You all remember Russia in times of USSR and in the nineties have to import food, now Russia is one if the largest exporters and in coming years will become number one food exporter. With food prices rising, Russia will soon make more money with food and clean water, than with oil and gas.

    It's true, that for now Russian industry is more oriented in domestic consumption, but with production growing Russia will become important goods exporter. If you have to choose between chinese or russian product, russian will be of better quality. West itself have less and less industry, because they move it outside like in China, India, Bangladesh, etc. West have to import products and Russia will sell them. Also there are other markets, not only EU and US.

    Russia doesn't need to worry, there are more than 7 billion of people and they all need to eat and drink.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  Mindstorm on Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:10 pm



    EBRD stated that Russia has failed in its drive to diversify its economy, is this case true or not?


    TheRealist don't even attempt to subliminally suggest that mine was an attack aimed only toward the messengers (naturally those on the payroll or directly working for COMPETITORS, with very clear vested interests ....for not say a very long tradition at low level counter-will "bashing" propaganda Laughing Laughing....intended to promote THERIS INTERSTS) instead that to the message.

    Percentage in Russian Federation's GDP of mining and quarrying related activities represent a relatively low share of total (directly from Rosstat)


    http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b12_06/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d05/04-01.doc


    It is significantly lower than the average for resource-rich countries (and Russia is ,by a long margin, the most resource-rich Nation at world , moreover, with an immense amount of resources ,critical for industrial sector of the future world, still to be exploited or even only explored ).


    The segment ,instead, where oil and gas revenues truly represent the lion share is in tradable export goods, but only because other products was penalized, at least since less than year ago, by very damaging terms of exchange and absurd barriers to investements ,in respect to the corresponding products of other Nations in the International Market.

    That is ,in particular the product, of a very attentive politics, by part of the greater players in the world scene, of economic insulation and measures aimed at slow-down Russian grow for the longer period possible (counter-will PR in public media is also part of that approach).
    That is clearly evident with the case of Russian Federation accession to the WTO (up to the last year Russia was the only major economy at world out of it ) requiring..... OVER 18 YEARS OF NEGOTIATIONS to be achieved !!!!!




    Therefore no drive to "diversify its economy" exist but only to diversify tradable not-energy-related goods at advantageous terms in the world market and here ,within four years you will see the effects of an economy competing finally at equal terms with European ,South Asian and North/South American finished products....but with an huge percentage of its GDP completely debt-free, an incredibly advanced scientifical and technical sector and an enormous cash reseve for effectuate advantageous domestic or abroad investements (all reasons for attempting to retard ,for what possible, in particular Russian grow among that of BRICS nations).



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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  TR1 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:14 pm

    NickM wrote:
    ricky123 wrote: previously indians preferred russia but there were some racial attacks and also the medical degree is not recognized in india cuz the course is a little diff . i think russia could have done more in that dept ...
    just listen to putin when asked Why there are fewer Indian students going to Russia now?

    Indians have a habit of invading every country in the guise of students , businessmen etc . No wonder they are NOT liked in Russia and western countries. They get killed because of this and in any case they get killed in India as well due to religious and other reasons.

    Indians not being liked by some Russians would have more to do with racist idiots, and less a feeling of being "invaded".

    Sounds like you justifying why they get killed, which is absurd.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:33 pm

    I wonder what kind of exports russia will concentrate upon after all its oil and natural gas is used up which could create an economic catastrophe. Looking on the bright side, no more major sources of pollution.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  Viktor on Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:46 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:I wonder what kind of exports russia will concentrate upon after all its oil and natural gas is used up which could create an economic catastrophe. Looking on the bright side, no more major sources of pollution.

    You got to be kidding. Only in Syria Russia had 20bin contracted construction, telecommunication and other work.

    Besides oil and gas - which will NOT end up in 2020 or any time near Russia has huge other potential mindstorm has being talking about.

    At this moment Rosatom has contracted 70bin$ until 2020 and counting.



    medo has being saying about food and water and he was right. If you see year on year production Russia is increasing its food production

    on rapid scale. You must understand that in all aspect of industry, agriculture, entertainment, etc Russia is making rapid progress.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  collegeboy16 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:27 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:I wonder what kind of exports russia will concentrate upon after all its oil and natural gas is used up which could create an economic catastrophe. Looking on the bright side, no more major sources of pollution.
    IMO high tech goods and services; from weapons to electronics to vehicles to heavy equipment, etc.. All these require widespread and intensive application of automation technologies which require huge technical expertise and experience on part of the Russians and massive capital too. Some of the technical expertise and experience is there in Russia, while for others, just go to Japan and /or Germany with an assload of money(either metric or King's assload will do) and have them teach it to you, I'm sure Russia could learn such things quickly and integrate them in their industry.
    Funny, it is the Weast that wants and needs Russia to become a resource-dependent nation and now they seemingly "want" the opposite. Razz I do hope that they are sincere with this one, they have been fighting tooth and nail just to hamper Russia's growth as a nation for the most part of 18th century until today and such old habits don't die that easily as they put sanctions on a whim. They better not piss off a bear coming from a deep sleep, the bear that they lulled ever so hard and long while they steal from it.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  TheRealist on Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:57 am

    Mindstorm wrote:

    EBRD stated that Russia has failed in its drive to diversify its economy, is this case true or not?


    TheRealist don't even attempt to subliminally suggest that mine was an attack aimed only toward the messengers (naturally those on the payroll or directly working for COMPETITORS, with very clear vested interests ....for not say a very long tradition at low level counter-will "bashing" propaganda Laughing Laughing....intended to promote THERIS INTERSTS) instead that to the message.

    Percentage in Russian Federation's GDP of mining and quarrying related activities represent a relatively low share of total (directly from Rosstat)


    http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b12_06/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d05/04-01.doc


    It is significantly lower than the average for resource-rich countries (and Russia is ,by a long margin, the most resource-rich Nation at world , moreover, with an immense amount of resources ,critical for industrial sector of the future world, still to be exploited or even only explored ).


    The segment ,instead, where oil and gas revenues truly represent the lion share is in tradable export goods, but only because other products was penalized, at least since less than year ago, by very damaging terms of exchange and absurd barriers to investements ,in respect to the corresponding products of other Nations in the International Market.

    That is ,in particular the product, of a very attentive politics, by part of the greater players in the world scene, of economic insulation and measures aimed at slow-down Russian grow for the longer period possible (counter-will PR in public media is also part of that approach).
    That is clearly evident with the case of Russian Federation accession to the WTO (up to the last year Russia was the only major economy at world out of it ) requiring..... OVER 18 YEARS OF NEGOTIATIONS to be achieved !!!!!




    Therefore no drive to "diversify its economy" exist but only to diversify tradable not-energy-related goods at advantageous terms in the world market and here ,within four years you will see the effects of an economy competing finally at equal terms with European ,South Asian and North/South American finished products....but with an huge percentage of its GDP completely debt-free, an incredibly advanced scientifical and technical sector and an enormous cash reseve for effectuate advantageous domestic or abroad investements (all reasons for attempting to retard ,for what possible, in particular Russian grow among that of BRICS nations).



    I do believe that Russia better off economically and much more better set to become diversify compared to other resource base economies. I see your point Mindstorm.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  NickM on Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:52 am

    TR1 wrote:Indians not being liked by some Russians would have more to do with racist idiots, and less a feeling of being "invaded".

    "Some Russians". You serious ??? No one in Russia likes them . Universities cannot admit Russians as their seats have been taken over by Indians . Major businesses have been over run by them just like in the UK and US. It's coz of this that the Russian economy is not making any progress.

    TR1 wrote:Sounds like you justifying why they get killed, which is absurd.

    They get killed coz of their wrongdoings, I don't have to justify it .

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:05 am

    What very many people miss when analysing Russia's economy as natural-resource exporting, or natural-resource dependent - is that yes indeed; Russia, as the world's most naturally rich country - does indeed base its economy off its own resources and land and you could very well say that its 'natural-resource dependent'. But the figures tell far from the whole story - a great proportion of such exports - are processed natural resources or value-added industries that require raw materials extraction in order to function.

    "Oil and Gas" are in fact thousands of kilometers of pipelines (creating massive orders for Russia's metallurgical enterprises), dozens of refineries with tens thousands of educated experts, a whole fleet of specialised ships and naval constructions (big boost to Russian shipbuilding and maritime engineering firms), countless gas power-plants all over the country with many qualified workers & professionals, production of various high-octane fuels such as Kerosene (vital for defense and civil aviation), not to mention one of the fuels for Russia's considerable chemicals industry; especially polymer & plastics production of many various kinds.

    "Coal and Metal ores" are the basis for Russia's huge steel mills, rolled steel, sheet metal and all kinds of specialized constructions of sizes from small details to ship hulls. Shipbuilding, military-industrial, automobiles, aircraft & space materials, new railway tracks are all dependent on them. Exotic materials too are based off such mines and extraction; titanium production (Boeing buys titanium wings and components from the Urals), composites, production rare metal alloys that are made only in a handful of countries in the world..

    "Timber" is increasingly not exported raw (there have even been tarrifs introduced in an attempt to reduce raw timber exports), but fed into Russia's rapidly growing wood-processing industries; making cardboard, wood panels & boards, paper, construction parts & materials, chemicals, furniture-production & wood-crafting, even wood pellets (used as biofuels).

    "Grains, Cereals, Fish & Livestock" - all steadily become the basis of ever more-higher value industries & produce. Processed-foods; dairy-products, meats, juices, yogurts, etc... are rapidly expanding. Agricultural production is growing fast, but the bigger story is the diversification within all these agricultural sectors; in livestock - turkey, rabbit, various new cattle breeds and other exotic animals that were never traditional in Russia are now being bred in larger quantities. Aqua-farms are being set-up & seafood production is diversifying into more exotic territory. Experiments with growing various types of new grains and vegetables are taking place in Russia's agricultural regions; new exotic crops are being grown such as tea, wine production is being revived, large, industrial-size greenhouses for growing vegetables all seasons are springing up in many parts of the country;

    "Uranium" is of course - nuclear power, defense industry, science, etc... And the same goes for all sorts of exotic elements and compounds that are found in Russia but in few other places. Even diamonds mined in Russia are often of industrial-grade and used for production purposes in order to create higher-value products.

    I could go and on but I have to go back to work. Point is - Russia can't live without its resources and nor should it. The key thing is to continue weaving off not natural resource dependence, but the seductive dependence on simple resource extraction and export of unprocessed resources. Russia must keep moving towards higher-value processing, adding more and more steps to the chain until the country's economy can claim full-cycle production of such things as the most complicated electronics, high-tech goods, advanced materials, etc... with the ability to fulfill each step along the way (provided its profitable) - from the extraction of silicon, to the production of circuit boards, to the programming of operating systems for ready devices. Concurrently - infastructure must continue to receive vast investment - it's the only way to ensure that all these production chains will be cost-effective and profitable; Russia is a vast country and transport is rarely cheap - but with the right amount of investment it could well turn out cheaper and potentially profitable to produce a lot of this stuff domestically and export ready goods, rather than importing materials and components.


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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:08 am

    NickM wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Indians not being liked by some Russians would have more to do with racist idiots, and less a feeling of being "invaded".

    "Some Russians". You serious ??? No one in Russia likes them .

    I'm a Russian living in Russia and I love Indians, India itself, Indian food, Indian culture & history is also interesting and exotic.
    Many people of the older generations in Russia are very well versed in Bollywood movies BTW; they were popular especially in the USSR days.

    Universities cannot admit Russians as their seats have been taken over by Indians . Major businesses have been over run by them just like in the UK and US. It's coz of this that the Russian economy is not making any progress.

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:19 am

    I was going to respond...but yeah. So much nonsense.

    Some people are very scared of the "asiatic" hordes I see.
    Or an Indian guy stole his GF.



    On the other hand, now I thin Russia should raise Gorshkov price even more.
    AFter all, gotta get back at Indians for ruining Russian economy.

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    Post  ricky123 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:55 pm

    TR1 wrote:I was going to respond...but yeah. So much nonsense.

    Some people are very scared of the "asiatic" hordes I see.
    Or an Indian guy stole his GF.
    On the other hand, now I thin Russia should raise Gorshkov price even more.
    AFter all, gotta get back at Indians for ruining Russian economy.
    hahahaha lol!

    anyway i want to reply to that guy .
    i was talking about russia improving its revenue .it was never about indians . i suggested that cuz india and russia are closer .mostly the people to people ties are very good . i have never been to russia but my native is goa and we have a lot of russians here and nobody hates them .. at some point we do feel invaded too but we know that they r tourist and bring a lot of revenue so its all good here ...i personally feel russia has the potential to a lot more better then what it is doing now ..all that is needed is political will
    i worked in dubai for 10 years and when the ussr collasped there were lot of russian girls working as prostitutes in dubai .they had to bann the entry of girls aged between 15 and 45yrs .. i have met many off them while i was there cuz one of my friends owned a dance bar . we indians always had respect for them and they showed the same to us ..and i had made some friends too .. i will share one story though as u know in india girls mostly dont drink atleast at that time during the 90s they dint ..so in dubai we were having a party and there were some russian girls also .i was making drinks for them and i put little less vodka for a russian girl ..my point was girls dont drink that much so give them little lol
    anyway that girl got really pissed and she asked me why u givin me so less and i replied cuz ur a girl and she got even more pissed .. she caught my hand and made me sit on the floor with her then she asked for a bottle of vodka and told me to drink she said let me see how much u can drink and lets see who can walk straight after more drinks . lol i lost geek .but we had alot of fun after that. really down to earth girl ..... so i dont know what u guys think of us but we do respect all russian people and treat them like our friends


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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  NickM on Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:50 pm

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    Seems you don't want to face the truth . Take a look at this link below . Even non White Brazilians are not liked in Russia as Zenit fans don't want them .

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4703035/Zenit-St-Petersburg-fans-Dont-sign-black-or-gay-players.html

    Zenit fans are right . Why import these Brazilians, Indians , Chinese when local players do NOT get to play .

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    Post  ricky123 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:57 pm

    NickM wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

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    What are you even talking about? Sad

    Seems you don't want to face the truth . Take a look at this link below . Even non White Brazilians are not liked in Russia as Zenit fans don't want them .

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4703035/Zenit-St-Petersburg-fans-Dont-sign-black-or-gay-players.html

    Zenit fans are right . Why import these Brazilians, Indians , Chinese when local players do NOT get to play .

    man that article is calling russian people racists how do u even agree with that and it is just a media .there r racist people everywhere but that doesnt make the entire country racist .... a few football fans making racist comments doesnt represent the country ..but if u beleave that they do then only god can help u lol

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #1

    Post  NickM on Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:59 pm

    TR1 wrote:I was going to respond...but yeah. So much nonsense.

    Some people are very scared of the "asiatic" hordes I see.
    Or an Indian guy stole his GF.

    Not just GF but also jobs causing unemployment among the local people . I am not surprised as these Indians did the same in UK and US .

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    Post  flamming_python on Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:13 pm

    NickM wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

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    What are you even talking about? Sad

    Seems you don't want to face the truth . Take a look at this link below . Even non White Brazilians are not liked in Russia as Zenit fans don't want them .

    'Zenit fans' (the sort that all hang out together at any rate) aren't exactly the most educated, worldly bunch of people in Russia.

    Zenit fans are right . Why import these Brazilians, Indians , Chinese when local players do NOT get to play .

    If it was a protest about locals not getting to play and foreigners being brought on for absurdly large salaries - I'd be all for it because that's exactly one of Zenit's major problems and why all cohesion has been lost among the very team itself.

    But it's not about that is it? Instead we get such gems as:

    “We only want players from other brotherly Slav nations, such as Ukraine and Belarus as well as from the Baltic states and Scandinavia."

    And it all just makes me want to do a giant facepalm to be honest because country of origin or ethnic identity has nothing to do with footballer's skill, how well they will get along with other members of their team or in fact whether or not they are decent people. If you had Scandinavian or other Slav players from other countries with salaries so huge that a discrepancy again arises between locals and imports as it did this time; then the team will break down once again. Race is quite irrelevant yet the fact that these people seem to think its some kind of explanation indicates a failure of brainpower and intelligence on their part, automatically invalidating whatever bigoted opinions they thought that they were entitled to.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:46 pm

    NickM wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

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    What are you even talking about? Sad

    Seems you don't want to face the truth . Take a look at this link below . Even non White Brazilians are not liked in Russia as Zenit fans don't want them .

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4703035/Zenit-St-Petersburg-fans-Dont-sign-black-or-gay-players.html

    Zenit fans are right . Why import these Brazilians, Indians , Chinese when local players do NOT get to play .

    Soccer hooligans are retards.


    Worst argument ever.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:47 pm

    NickM wrote:
    TR1 wrote:I was going to respond...but yeah. So much nonsense.

    Some people are very scared of the "asiatic" hordes I see.
    Or an Indian guy stole his GF.

    Not just GF but also jobs causing unemployment among the local people . I am not surprised as these Indians did the same in UK and US .

    Fair pay for centuries of English plundering of India Very Happy .

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:50 pm

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    And it all just makes me want to do a giant facepalm to be honest because country of origin or ethnic identity has nothing to do with footballer's skill, how well they will get along with other members of their team or in fact whether or not they are decent people. If you had Scandinavian or other Slav players from other countries with salaries so huge that a discrepancy again arises between locals and imports as it did this time; then the team will break down once again. Race is quite irrelevant yet the fact that these people seem to think its some kind of explanation indicates a failure of brainpower and intelligence on their part, automatically invalidating whatever bigoted opinions they thought that they were entitled to.

    Heh, brotherly nations that support enemies (Ukraine) or need handouts to stay afloat (Belarus).

    I'd rather be friends with India than such "brothers".

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    Post  flamming_python on Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:46 am

    TR1 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    And it all just makes me want to do a giant facepalm to be honest because country of origin or ethnic identity has nothing to do with footballer's skill, how well they will get along with other members of their team or in fact whether or not they are decent people. If you had Scandinavian or other Slav players from other countries with salaries so huge that a discrepancy again arises between locals and imports as it did this time; then the team will break down once again. Race is quite irrelevant yet the fact that these people seem to think its some kind of explanation indicates a failure of brainpower and intelligence on their part, automatically invalidating whatever bigoted opinions they thought that they were entitled to.

    Heh, brotherly nations that support enemies (Ukraine) or need handouts to stay afloat (Belarus).

    I'd rather be friends with India than such "brothers".

    Well yeah, hard to argue with that too.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:26 am

    Fair pay for centuries of English plundering of India

    Most of the gold in Fort Knox was stolen from countries that didn't know the western value of gold when it was taken from them.

    It largely ended up in the US because WWII pretty much bankrupted the western colonial powers that were active up to the 19th century and into the 20th century.

    The amusing thing of course is that the wests current fears of a Putin that will use gas supplies to Europe as a weapon of control, or that he might invade Poland or occupy South Ossetia is exactly the sort of thing most colonial western countries have done and most continue to do.

    Kosovo needs independence from Serbia, but South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Gaza, Northern Ireland, and the Basque regions and of course Kurdistan do not qualify.

    Europe has sent its overflow and its adventurers to foreign lands for centuries without the right immigration papers or entry and exit visas, I find it amusing that they fear that some back flow might contaminate them.

    It seems that the people of the world have benefitted from learning to be ashamed of their own bodies... a good christian shame that covers female breasts, not the extremist muslim shame that demands everything on a woman must be covered because that obviously violates her rights as a person...


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    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

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