U.S Military encirclement of China

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Island row: China and Japan may sign pact to end crisis

China and Japan may sign an agreement to diffuse maritime crisis between the two nations.

The two countries have come close to a military confrontation over a sea dispute on a few occasions in recent years.

Two military leaders, Vice Chief of Staff of China's People's Liberation Army Sun Jianguo and Director General of the Japanese Defense Ministry's Defense Policy Bureau Hideshi Tokuchi, have expressed hope that the two countries will soon sign a Memorandum of Understanding on the maritime and aerial crisis liaison mechanism.


Sources said that the move is significant because Japan has decided to get out its pacifists constitution and develop military capability of its own instead of depending entirely on the United States. China also wants Tokyo to get out of the US influence and deal directly with it, observers said.

The two countries are quarrelling over ownership of the Diayou Islands (called Senkaku in Japanese) in the East China Sea which is currently in Japan's control. China also has a serious grouse against Japan for allowing its soldiers to torture thousands of Chinese men and women during World War II.

Sun told Japanese officials that China is willing to work with Japan to promote the good- neighborly relations and cooperation, according to the official Xinhua news agency. It wants to protect the hard-won progress in the improvement of bilateral ties, Sun said, indicating that China would do nothing to aggravate the differences.

China is keen to push Washington out of the picture although the US maintains significant naval presence in the region to reassure its allies like Japan of its protection, sources said.

Sun expressed hope that the two sides would continue defense exchanges and cooperation, strengthen mutual understanding along with enhanced management and control over contradictions and crisis.

Tokuchi said Japan is willing to make efforts to improve the bilateral ties there were sharp difficulties and differences in the Sino-Japan relations.

Cooperation in the defense and security field would go a long way to improve bilateral ties, he said. There are indications the two countries might take a step forward and consider holding a joint military exercise at a limited scale as a confidence building measure, sources said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/Island-row-China-and-Japan-may-sign-pact-to-end-crisis/articleshow/47486618.cms

sepheronx wrote:Philippine President Compares China to Nazi Germany While Visiting Japan

You cannot make this stuff up.  Man, when politicians have nothing else to complain about, and have no idea what to do, they just love to use the Nazi Germany card.  While Ukraine shows real stance of Nazism, China does not obviously.

after Japan and Philippines join the "front" against china. It seems it is a well organized US effort

sepheronx wrote:Philippine President Compares China to Nazi Germany While Visiting Japan

You cannot make this stuff up.  Man, when politicians have nothing else to complain about, and have no idea what to do, they just love to use the Nazi Germany card.  While Ukraine shows real stance of Nazism, China does not obviously.

...Meanwhile the Japanese whitewash and ignore all the crimes against humanity committed by the Imperial Japanese military during WW2, including the ones they committed in the Philippines...yes the comfort women, all out it....talk about ironic!!!

George1 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Philippine President Compares China to Nazi Germany While Visiting Japan

You cannot make this stuff up.  Man, when politicians have nothing else to complain about, and have no idea what to do, they just love to use the Nazi Germany card.  While Ukraine shows real stance of Nazism, China does not obviously.

after Japan and Philippines join the "front" against china. It seems it is a well organized US effort

nope its not- the Chinese have our economy by the balls. money talks, BS walks.

collegeboy16 wrote:

George1 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Philippine President Compares China to Nazi Germany While Visiting Japan

You cannot make this stuff up.  Man, when politicians have nothing else to complain about, and have no idea what to do, they just love to use the Nazi Germany card.  While Ukraine shows real stance of Nazism, China does not obviously.

after Japan and Philippines join the "front" against china. It seems it is a well organized US effort

nope its not- the Chinese have our economy by the balls. money talks, BS walks.

My serious beef is that the Philippine president wants to label China "Nazi Germany", but at the same time visiting a country (Japan) that not only allied with fascist ideologues of Europe, but even refuses to recognize the crimes their fascists committed (unlike Germany and Italy), including the crimes committed against the Filipino diaspora.

magnumcromagnon wrote:
My serious beef is that the Philippine president wants to label China "Nazi Germany", but at the same time visiting a country (Japan) that not only allied with fascist ideologues of Europe, but even refuses to recognize the crimes their fascists committed (unlike Germany and Italy), including the crimes committed against the Filipino diaspora.

he can label them the great satan or whatever he wants. nobody fcking cares here. us Filipinos have short memory for most things; nobody holds grudges from when his/her ancestor got screwed by the other's ancestors, thats just too much stress and bothersome.

If anyone is interested do read US assessment on China's Military Strength

http://www.defense.gov/pubs/2015_China_Military_Power_Report.pdf

USA is building Diego Garcia in India ocean， it seems international law is made for US

see chinese aggression in south china sea .

Hahahaha... all I can say to China, is that if it is getting the US this wound up it must be good for China... Keep doing it.

GarryB wrote:Hahahaha... all I can say to China, is that if it is getting the US this wound up it must be good for China... Keep doing it.

Fully Aggree.

max steel wrote:see chinese aggression in south china sea .

I don't think you can simply say China is the agressor in the Spratley issue. All the nations involved have piled in on the land reclamation, militarisation and colonisation game. China has taken more steps in reclamation simply because she was a late-comer to the party, and all the best seats had already been taken, so she was left with reefs that were smallest, if not completely underwater.

Also for all the talk by the USA (and Australia) about "controlling trade routes" - the country with the most interest in smooth trade through the South China Sea is China itself, since virtually all her imports and exports pass that way, and unlike Japan, cannot realistically go via any other route. Disruption in the SCS would be inconvenient for Japan - it would add a few days to her shipping to/from Europe - and irrelevant to the US. For China, it would be an unmitigated disaster - hence her desire to protect it from falling into American naval hands and being used as a weapon against her.

type055 wrote:USA is building Diego Garcia in India ocean， it seems international law is made for US

And they expelled a load of civilians to do it... But you know, it was in the name of freedom, so whatevs.

RedJasmin wrote:

type055 wrote:USA is building Diego Garcia in India ocean， it seems international law is made for US

And they expelled a load of civilians to do it... But you know, it was in the name of freedom, so whatevs.

They kicked the natives out of their own country. Sounds like 'Manifest Destiny' to me, but people still question if the 'Pentagon' is running a neo-colonialist empire...well theirs your answer!

magnumcromagnon wrote:

RedJasmin wrote:

type055 wrote:USA is building Diego Garcia in India ocean， it seems international law is made for US

And they expelled a load of civilians to do it... But you know, it was in the name of freedom, so whatevs.

They kicked the natives out of their own country. Sounds like 'Manifest Destiny' to me, but people still question if the 'Pentagon' is running a neo-colonialist  empire...well theirs your answer!

Interestingly, there was an interview on CNN the other day (can't link yet, sorry!) with some US academics about the Spratley dispute, and our academic friend pointed out the absurdity of China claiming the Spratley's - saying it would be "equivalent to the US claiming the whole Caribbean sea based on nothing but the Monroe doctrine and Manifest Destiny" - thus ignoring the fact that the US used precisely those arguments to justify seizing Puerto Rico, Hawaii, the Philippines etc.

There is no standard quite like the double standard

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/us/white-house-weighs-sanctions-after-second-breach-of-a-computer-system.html?_r=0

White House Weighs Sanctions After Second Breach of a Computer System

WASHINGTON — The White House on Friday revealed that hackers had breached a second computer system at the Office of Personnel Management, and said that President Obama was considering financial sanctions against the attackers who gained access to the files of millions of federal workers.

Investigators had already said that Chinese hackers appeared to have obtained personal data from more than four million current and former federal employees in one of the boldest invasions into a government network.

But on Friday, officials said they believed that a separate computer system at the agency was breached by the same hackers, putting at risk not only data about the federal employees, but also information about friends, family members and associates that could number millions more. Officials said that the second system contained files related to intelligence officials working for the F.B.I., defense contractors and other government agencies.

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Empire is literally surviving on its last legs . By that behavior china should have sanctioned usa earlier . 


US Empire is like Cobra : Full Allegiance or sanctions .

The more kicking and screaming the US does, the more desperate they are. They know that they are entering the final stage of them being top dog before they start the slide downwards.

What fascinates me, is how china acts, its very diplomatic, dignified and respectful, it knows it doesnt need to throw its weight around US style to get what it wants.

For me the US is like a stupid bulldog, jumping on everything that moves, slobbering allover the world and generally pissing everyone off. China is like a lithe cat, calmly sitting and watching, waiting to pounce once the prey gets in range

max steel wrote:Empire is literally surviving on its last legs . By that behavior china should have sanctioned usa earlier . 


US Empire is like Cobra : Full Allegiance or sanctions .

the thing that gets to me is this is the same America that has been spying not just on US citizens but EU citizens and our governments on a massive scale not forgetting industrial spying to pass on innovation to US companies like Samsung and other big tech companies ... the US has been hacking Chinese computers for at least over a decade this is the same US that had tech firms install back doors to their tech so they could spy on people, government and companies around the globe ... China holds over a trillion in US debt bonds imagine the damage to the US economy and the dollar if China dumps it's debt bonds on the market

Rodinazombie wrote:The more kicking and screaming the US does, the more desperate they are. They know that they are entering the final stage of them being top dog before they start the slide downwards.

What fascinates me, is how china acts, its very diplomatic, dignified and respectful, it knows it doesnt need to throw its weight around US style to get what it wants.

For me the US is like a stupid bulldog, jumping on everything that moves, slobbering all over the world and generally pissing everyone off. China is like a lithe cat, calmly sitting and watching, waiting to pounce once the prey gets in range

America is only acting the same way as the British empire during it's demise in the first half of the 20th century .... trying frantically to hold on to it's power/influence ... even now the English think the UK is still a major power lol ... they can't understand why Scots would want to ditch their so called United Kingdom .... it is now starting to dawn on them the UK is finished it won't last beyond 2020

US Invites China to Joint War Games After Military Agreement




Last week, Central Military Commission Vice-Chairman Fan Changlong made a historic visit to Washington, DC. On Friday, that visit culminated in the signing of a dialogue mechanism between the two rivals.

This was the first major military agreement to be implemented between the two countries in years.The document outlines military procedures to ensure mutual trust between the US and China. This includes a code of conduct on how to react to military encounters in air and at sea.


http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150616/1023405110.html#ixzz3dGGW8nbA

Beijing Slams US Militarization of Disputed Territories in South China Sea

After being accused last week of restricting movements in the South China Sea, Beijing on Monday said that freedom of navigation does not mean allowing foreign warships and military jets to violate sovereignty and security.

China claims most of the South China Sea, through which $5 trillion in trade passes every year. The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei have overlapping territorial claims.

Last week, US Secretary of State John Kerry told a meeting of regional leaders in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, that China's construction of facilities on man-made islands for "military purposes" was raising tension and risked "militarization" by other nations in the region.

Kerry also criticized "restrictions" put in place in recent months by China, saying the United States would not accept any such restrictions on freedom of navigation and overflights.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry hit back at Kerry’s accusations on Monday, saying in a statement to Reuters that Beijing sees freedom of navigation in the region as key because it is an important conduit for trade and natural resources.

That freedom, however, does not extend to the ships and aircraft of foreign militaries, the Ministry added.

Philippine military officials have accused China of repeatedly warning Philippine aircraft away from the artificial islands in the Spratly archipelago of the South China Sea.

The Chinese navy also issued eight warnings to the crew of a US surveillance plane that was conducting overflights in the area in May, according to CNN, which was aboard the US aircraft.

China has rejected calls to end to its reclamation projects in the region, and defiantly announced that it would continue to build facilities on the man-made islands.

The Foreign Ministry said China is building civilian facilities on the Spratly Islands for the "public good," including hospitals, maritime research institutes, lighthouses and search and rescue facilities.

A Philippine lawmaker told Reuters on Monday he had information that a Chinese coast guard ship dropped anchor more than a month ago near a rusting Philippine Navy transport ship in the disputed Second Thomas Shoal.

"I think China has no intention of leaving the area and they are waiting for our ship to collapse or prevent us from reinforcing that ship," Congressman Francisco Acedillo, a former air force pilot, said at a naval base in Manila.

Acedillo said the presence of a Chinese ship within Second Thomas Shoal was a serious threat to the Philippines, Reuters reported.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/us/20150810/1025599630/south-china-sea.html#ixzz3ie9HsBh6

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Beijing gets a largely undeserved bad rap over its efforts to claim and develop islands in the South China Sea — the Spratly and Paracel island groups especially. China has long historical links with the area. And the critics forget that in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty between Japan and the Allied Powers, Article 2(f), states: “Japan renounces all right, title and claim to the Spratly Islands and to the Paracel Islands.”


This renunciation of the two island groups, and of Taiwan itself, was confirmed in the U.S.-brokered 1952 peace treaty between Japan and the Taiwan-based Republic of China (ROC), then recognized by the United States and Japan as the sole legitimate government of China.

So if this meant the ROC had the right to Taiwan then in all logic it also meant the ROC had the right to claim the other islands Japan had renounced in the 1952 treaty — a right which the Beijing-based Peoples Republic of China (PRC) would then normally have been able to claim as a successor government.
The ROC did in fact move to claim the Paracels and until 1950 occupied some of its islands. In 1975 it also claimed sovereignty over all the extensive Spratly island group.

True, others have since made their claims over some of these islands. Taiwan has long been in conflict with the Philippines over largest of the Spratly islands, Taiping or Itu Aba. Malaysia and Brunei also claim ownership of some islands in the group. Towards the Paracels, Vietnam has long had strong claims.

But today the main criticism of Beijing is over the furious pace with which it is dredging and constructing to expand the areas of some of the small islands, rocks and submerged reefs it controls. It is also criticized for then claiming 12 nautical mile (nm) territorial zones and sometimes 200 nm exclusive economic zones (EEZ) around them. The U.S., Japan, and others say these activities deny freedom of the seas. At the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore late last month, U.S. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter demanded that China immediately halt its “unprecedented” land reclamations in the South China Sea.

Unprecedented? Then what is Japan doing with the tiny Okinotorishima reef area 1,700 km south of Tokyo that it claims as its territory? This “island” originally consisted of no more than two rocks above the water level, each the size of a bed. But it has now been dredged and concretized to create an 8,000 square meter “island” allegedly deserving of not just a 200 nm EEZ but continental shelf rights as well. If the EEZ claim was allowed Japan could control a sea area of more than 400,000 square kilometers, larger than the total land area of Japan itself.

If its continental shelf claim was allowed (it is challenged by China and South Korea) it would control three times more. The “island” lies astride important navigation routes and it is touted as helping to deny China’s access to the Pacific. It sustains no economic activity (such activity is a condition for claiming an EEZ) but Tokyo has arrested and fined Taiwanese fishing boats in the claimed EEZ area.

And its reclamation was begun in 1987, well before Beijing’s alleged land grab activities.

Consistency has never been a strong point in U.S. policies. But this contradiction glares a lot more than most.

Some see the problem more in Beijing’s much criticized nine-dash line that effectively claims for China not just the Spratlys and Paracels but almost all the other islands and reefs in the South China Sea.

But here too China is following an example set by others — the 11-dash line claimed by the ROC in 1947 before it was replaced by the PRC in 1949. If Beijing is being expansionist in the South China Sea then so was the ROC, strongly supported by the U.S. Elsewhere the ROC was much more land hungry than the PRC in its claims toward Myanmar, India, Mongolia and Japan. Concessions offered by Beijing were often criticized bitterly by the ROC.

Today we see a Beijing less caught up in internal problems, more aware of its economic and military strength and less inclined to make concessions. India’s foolish rejection in 1962 of a very generous frontier offer, for example, has led Beijing to revive earlier and much harsher ROC demands, something we are also seeing in the South China Sea. But in the South China Sea, Beijing also has the excuse of insistent U.S. air, sea and communications monitoring along its coastlines. The U.S. does this under the pretext of exercising air and sea freedom of movement but it only makes sense in the context of the U.S. preparing for possible clashes with China. As others point out, how would the U.S. react if China was behaving the same way in the Gulf of Mexico.

In short, if Beijing has been behaving badly, then so too have others. Even so, it would cost China little to be more compromising. While it often has history on its side, others can claim geography. Toward the Philippines over the Spratlys and toward Vietnam over the Paracels, it could have recognized that they are much closer than is China and they have some rights also. Toward the Philippines especially, Beijing has lost a possible friend in the area by its abrasive criticisms and confrontations.

A situation where Beijing continued to claim and develop areas of interest but allowed others to do likewise in other areas would hardly harm China’s security. In fact it would add greatly to security to the extent that it deprives ex-Cold War warriors in the U.S., Japan and Australia of excuses for muscle flexing and taking advantage of others’s discontent.

Gregory Clark is a former Australian diplomat who specialized in China. Long involved in Japan, he has served as a professor, president and vice president in three Japanese universities