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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  RedJasmin on Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:25 pm

    type055 wrote:USA is building Diego Garcia in India ocean, it seems international law is made for US dunno

    And they expelled a load of civilians to do it... But you know, it was in the name of freedom, so whatevs. dunno

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:47 pm

    RedJasmin wrote:
    type055 wrote:USA is building Diego Garcia in India ocean, it seems international law is made for US dunno

    And they expelled a load of civilians to do it... But you know, it was in the name of freedom, so whatevs. dunno

    They kicked the natives out of their own country. Sounds like 'Manifest Destiny' to me, but people still question if the 'Pentagon' is running a neo-colonialist empire...well theirs your answer!

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    Post  RedJasmin on Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:15 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    RedJasmin wrote:
    type055 wrote:USA is building Diego Garcia in India ocean, it seems international law is made for US dunno

    And they expelled a load of civilians to do it... But you know, it was in the name of freedom, so whatevs. dunno

    They kicked the natives out of their own country. Sounds like 'Manifest Destiny' to me, but people still question if the 'Pentagon' is running a neo-colonialist  empire...well theirs your answer!

    Interestingly, there was an interview on CNN the other day (can't link yet, sorry!) with some US academics about the Spratley dispute, and our academic friend pointed out the absurdity of China claiming the Spratley's - saying it would be "equivalent to the US claiming the whole Caribbean sea based on nothing but the Monroe doctrine and Manifest Destiny" - thus ignoring the fact that the US used precisely those arguments to justify seizing Puerto Rico, Hawaii, the Philippines etc.

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  Godric on Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:39 pm


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/us/white-house-weighs-sanctions-after-second-breach-of-a-computer-system.html?_r=0

    White House Weighs Sanctions After Second Breach of a Computer System

    WASHINGTON — The White House on Friday revealed that hackers had breached a second computer system at the Office of Personnel Management, and said that President Obama was considering financial sanctions against the attackers who gained access to the files of millions of federal workers.

    Investigators had already said that Chinese hackers appeared to have obtained personal data from more than four million current and former federal employees in one of the boldest invasions into a government network.

    But on Friday, officials said they believed that a separate computer system at the agency was breached by the same hackers, putting at risk not only data about the federal employees, but also information about friends, family members and associates that could number millions more. Officials said that the second system contained files related to intelligence officials working for the F.B.I., defense contractors and other government agencies.

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  max steel on Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:57 pm

    Empire is literally surviving on its last legs . By that behavior china should have sanctioned usa earlier . 


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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  Rodinazombie on Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:30 pm

    The more kicking and screaming the US does, the more desperate they are. They know that they are entering the final stage of them being top dog before they start the slide downwards.

    What fascinates me, is how china acts, its very diplomatic, dignified and respectful, it knows it doesnt need to throw its weight around US style to get what it wants.

    For me the US is like a stupid bulldog, jumping on everything that moves, slobbering allover the world and generally pissing everyone off. China is like a lithe cat, calmly sitting and watching, waiting to pounce once the prey gets in range

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  Godric on Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:07 pm

    max steel wrote:Empire is literally surviving on its last legs . By that behavior china should have sanctioned usa earlier . 


    US Empire is like Cobra : Full Allegiance or sanctions .

    the thing that gets to me is this is the same America that has been spying not just on US citizens but EU citizens and our governments on a massive scale not forgetting industrial spying to pass on innovation to US companies like Samsung and other big tech companies ... the US has been hacking Chinese computers for at least over a decade this is the same US that had tech firms install back doors to their tech so they could spy on people, government and companies around the globe ... China holds over a trillion in US debt bonds imagine the damage to the US economy and the dollar if China dumps it's debt bonds on the market


    Rodinazombie wrote:The more kicking and screaming the US does, the more desperate they are. They know that they are entering the final stage of them being top dog before they start the slide downwards.

    What fascinates me, is how china acts, its very diplomatic, dignified and respectful, it knows it doesnt need to throw its weight around US style to get what it wants.

    For me the US is like a stupid bulldog, jumping on everything that moves, slobbering all over the world and generally pissing everyone off. China is like a lithe cat, calmly sitting and watching, waiting to pounce once the prey gets in range

    America is only acting the same way as the British empire during it's demise in the first half of the 20th century .... trying frantically to hold on to it's power/influence ... even now the English think the UK is still a major power lol ... they can't understand why Scots would want to ditch their so called United Kingdom .... it is now starting to dawn on them the UK is finished it won't last beyond 2020

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  max steel on Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:04 pm

    US Invites China to Joint War Games After Military Agreement

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    Last week, Central Military Commission Vice-Chairman Fan Changlong made a historic visit to Washington, DC. On Friday, that visit culminated in the signing of a dialogue mechanism between the two rivals.

    This was the first major military agreement to be implemented between the two countries in years.The document outlines military procedures to ensure mutual trust between the US and China. This includes a code of conduct on how to react to military encounters in air and at sea.


    http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150616/1023405110.html#ixzz3dGGW8nbA

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    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:36 am

    Beijing Slams US Militarization of Disputed Territories in South China Sea

    After being accused last week of restricting movements in the South China Sea, Beijing on Monday said that freedom of navigation does not mean allowing foreign warships and military jets to violate sovereignty and security.

    China claims most of the South China Sea, through which $5 trillion in trade passes every year. The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei have overlapping territorial claims.

    Last week, US Secretary of State John Kerry told a meeting of regional leaders in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, that China's construction of facilities on man-made islands for "military purposes" was raising tension and risked "militarization" by other nations in the region.

    Kerry also criticized "restrictions" put in place in recent months by China, saying the United States would not accept any such restrictions on freedom of navigation and overflights.

    The Chinese Foreign Ministry hit back at Kerry’s accusations on Monday, saying in a statement to Reuters that Beijing sees freedom of navigation in the region as key because it is an important conduit for trade and natural resources.

    That freedom, however, does not extend to the ships and aircraft of foreign militaries, the Ministry added.

    Philippine military officials have accused China of repeatedly warning Philippine aircraft away from the artificial islands in the Spratly archipelago of the South China Sea.

    The Chinese navy also issued eight warnings to the crew of a US surveillance plane that was conducting overflights in the area in May, according to CNN, which was aboard the US aircraft.

    China has rejected calls to end to its reclamation projects in the region, and defiantly announced that it would continue to build facilities on the man-made islands.

    The Foreign Ministry said China is building civilian facilities on the Spratly Islands for the "public good," including hospitals, maritime research institutes, lighthouses and search and rescue facilities.

    A Philippine lawmaker told Reuters on Monday he had information that a Chinese coast guard ship dropped anchor more than a month ago near a rusting Philippine Navy transport ship in the disputed Second Thomas Shoal.

    "I think China has no intention of leaving the area and they are waiting for our ship to collapse or prevent us from reinforcing that ship," Congressman Francisco Acedillo, a former air force pilot, said at a naval base in Manila.

    Acedillo said the presence of a Chinese ship within Second Thomas Shoal was a serious threat to the Philippines, Reuters reported.

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:48 am

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150906/1026663159/russia-china-geopolitics-forecast.html#ixzz3kykfHolW

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:36 pm

    US mobilized its allies to conduct reconnaissance against China



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1474089.html


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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  max steel on Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:24 pm

    Beijing gets a largely undeserved bad rap over its efforts to claim and develop islands in the South China Sea — the Spratly and Paracel island groups especially. China has long historical links with the area. And the critics forget that in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty between Japan and the Allied Powers, Article 2(f), states: “Japan renounces all right, title and claim to the Spratly Islands and to the Paracel Islands.”


    This renunciation of the two island groups, and of Taiwan itself, was confirmed in the U.S.-brokered 1952 peace treaty between Japan and the Taiwan-based Republic of China (ROC), then recognized by the United States and Japan as the sole legitimate government of China.

    So if this meant the ROC had the right to Taiwan then in all logic it also meant the ROC had the right to claim the other islands Japan had renounced in the 1952 treaty — a right which the Beijing-based Peoples Republic of China (PRC) would then normally have been able to claim as a successor government.
    The ROC did in fact move to claim the Paracels and until 1950 occupied some of its islands. In 1975 it also claimed sovereignty over all the extensive Spratly island group.

    True, others have since made their claims over some of these islands. Taiwan has long been in conflict with the Philippines over largest of the Spratly islands, Taiping or Itu Aba. Malaysia and Brunei also claim ownership of some islands in the group. Towards the Paracels, Vietnam has long had strong claims.

    But today the main criticism of Beijing is over the furious pace with which it is dredging and constructing to expand the areas of some of the small islands, rocks and submerged reefs it controls. It is also criticized for then claiming 12 nautical mile (nm) territorial zones and sometimes 200 nm exclusive economic zones (EEZ) around them. The U.S., Japan, and others say these activities deny freedom of the seas. At the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore late last month, U.S. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter demanded that China immediately halt its “unprecedented” land reclamations in the South China Sea.

    Unprecedented? Then what is Japan doing with the tiny Okinotorishima reef area 1,700 km south of Tokyo that it claims as its territory? This “island” originally consisted of no more than two rocks above the water level, each the size of a bed. But it has now been dredged and concretized to create an 8,000 square meter “island” allegedly deserving of not just a 200 nm EEZ but continental shelf rights as well. If the EEZ claim was allowed Japan could control a sea area of more than 400,000 square kilometers, larger than the total land area of Japan itself.

    If its continental shelf claim was allowed (it is challenged by China and South Korea) it would control three times more. The “island” lies astride important navigation routes and it is touted as helping to deny China’s access to the Pacific. It sustains no economic activity (such activity is a condition for claiming an EEZ) but Tokyo has arrested and fined Taiwanese fishing boats in the claimed EEZ area.

    And its reclamation was begun in 1987, well before Beijing’s alleged land grab activities.

    Consistency has never been a strong point in U.S. policies. But this contradiction glares a lot more than most.

    Some see the problem more in Beijing’s much criticized nine-dash line that effectively claims for China not just the Spratlys and Paracels but almost all the other islands and reefs in the South China Sea.

    But here too China is following an example set by others — the 11-dash line claimed by the ROC in 1947 before it was replaced by the PRC in 1949. If Beijing is being expansionist in the South China Sea then so was the ROC, strongly supported by the U.S. Elsewhere the ROC was much more land hungry than the PRC in its claims toward Myanmar, India, Mongolia and Japan. Concessions offered by Beijing were often criticized bitterly by the ROC.

    Today we see a Beijing less caught up in internal problems, more aware of its economic and military strength and less inclined to make concessions. India’s foolish rejection in 1962 of a very generous frontier offer, for example, has led Beijing to revive earlier and much harsher ROC demands, something we are also seeing in the South China Sea. But in the South China Sea, Beijing also has the excuse of insistent U.S. air, sea and communications monitoring along its coastlines. The U.S. does this under the pretext of exercising air and sea freedom of movement but it only makes sense in the context of the U.S. preparing for possible clashes with China. As others point out, how would the U.S. react if China was behaving the same way in the Gulf of Mexico.

    In short, if Beijing has been behaving badly, then so too have others. Even so, it would cost China little to be more compromising. While it often has history on its side, others can claim geography. Toward the Philippines over the Spratlys and toward Vietnam over the Paracels, it could have recognized that they are much closer than is China and they have some rights also. Toward the Philippines especially, Beijing has lost a possible friend in the area by its abrasive criticisms and confrontations.

    A situation where Beijing continued to claim and develop areas of interest but allowed others to do likewise in other areas would hardly harm China’s security. In fact it would add greatly to security to the extent that it deprives ex-Cold War warriors in the U.S., Japan and Australia of excuses for muscle flexing and taking advantage of others’s discontent.

    Gregory Clark is a former Australian diplomat who specialized in China. Long involved in Japan, he has served as a professor, president and vice president in three Japanese universities

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    Post  par far on Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:13 pm

    They are trying to get to China but the Chinese have a few strategies of their own, China knows what is going on and they are working to crash the petrodollar. China needs as many allies it can it though and that is why is making friends with your neighbours will go a long way for China.

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    Post  max steel on Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:09 pm

    US to Give Two Additional Ships to Philippine Navy to Boost Border Control


    One US Coast Guard cutter, one research vessel.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:49 pm

    China Slams Deployment of US Poseidon Spy Plane to Singapore

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    Post  RedJasmin on Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:37 pm

    If I were America, I'd be very cautious about pushing China too hard over the Spratley Islands. China has explicitly said that they regard the "First Island Chain" as preventing them from operating in the Pacific, and leaving their sea lanes very vulnerable.

    America's actions in the South China Sea only bring home in a very concrete way just how accurate the the Chinese analysis is, and makes a solution all the more urgent. The obvious solution is to "break the chain" (i.e. re-unite Taiwan with the mainland by one means or another), which is precisely what the US doesn't want, but is pushing China toward with it's actions.

    That said, I think the Chinese have had a lot of time to think over their options, and realised full scale invasion of Taiwan would result in a nightmarish quagmire, and any occupation by force would be unsustainable. Peaceful reunification would be ideal, but how long can they afford to wait whilst the US treats Chinese shipping lanes as an American bathtub?

    If reunification is not forthcoming in the near future, and America keeps harassing them in the South China Sea, I suspect China may reach a hybrid solution, and seize the bits of Taiwan it needs most - the Pacific coast... and there is low hanging fruit in the form of the Lanyu (Orchid) Islands and Lu Tao Island.

    All of them are off the Pacific coast of Taiwan, and none are densely populated. Lanyu has about 4000 people, and Lu Tao around 2500. A large naval base there as a home-port for a pacific fleet would allow China to project naval assets directly into the Pacific and effectively by-pass the first island chain altogether. It would be incalculably easier than attempting to invade Taiwan and whilst it would doubtless cause an international shockwave, would be unlikely to actually provoke a conflict with the US - or even much beyond a token skirmish with Taiwan. I genuinely doubt Taiwan would risk a full-scale war and consequent invasion rather than concede the islands to China, which it's only used a dump for toxic waste anyway.

    In order to secure access to those bases from the south (where China seems to be shifting it's naval focus) then it would also be necessary to take the uninhabited but garrisoned Pratas Islands, a large atoll in the South China Sea which essentially sits in the middle of the route from Hainan or Guangdong to the Luzon Strait.

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    Post  max steel on Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:29 pm

    RedJasmin wrote:If I were America, I'd be very cautious about pushing China too hard over the Spratley Islands. China has explicitly said that they regard the "First Island Chain"  as preventing them from operating in the Pacific, and leaving their sea lanes very vulnerable.

    America's actions in the South China Sea only bring home in a very concrete way just how accurate the the Chinese analysis is, and makes a solution all the more urgent. The obvious solution is to "break the chain" (i.e. re-unite Taiwan with the mainland by one means or another), which is precisely what the US doesn't want, but is pushing China toward with it's actions.

    That said, I think the Chinese have had a lot of time to think over their options, and realised full scale invasion of Taiwan would result in a nightmarish quagmire, and any occupation by force would be unsustainable. Peaceful reunification would be ideal, but how long can they afford to wait whilst the US treats Chinese shipping lanes as an American bathtub?

    If reunification is not forthcoming in the near future, and America keeps harassing them in the South China Sea, I suspect China may reach a hybrid solution, and seize the bits of Taiwan it needs most - the Pacific coast... and there is low hanging fruit in the form of the Lanyu (Orchid) Islands and Lu Tao Island.

    All of them are off the Pacific coast of Taiwan, and none are densely populated. Lanyu has about 4000 people, and Lu Tao around 2500. A large naval base there as a home-port for a pacific fleet would allow China to project naval assets directly into the Pacific and effectively by-pass the first island chain altogether. It would be incalculably easier than attempting to invade Taiwan and whilst it would doubtless cause an international shockwave, would be unlikely to actually provoke a conflict with the US - or even much beyond a token skirmish with Taiwan. I genuinely doubt Taiwan would risk a full-scale war and consequent invasion rather than concede the islands to China, which it's only used a dump for toxic waste anyway.

    In order to secure access to those bases from the south (where China seems to be shifting it's naval focus) then it would also be necessary to take the uninhabited but garrisoned Pratas Islands, a large atoll in the South China Sea which essentially sits in the middle of the route from Hainan or Guangdong to the Luzon Strait.


    highly unlikely to happen. China invading Taiwan for reunification.

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    Post  RedJasmin on Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:39 pm

    max steel wrote:
    RedJasmin wrote:If I were America, I'd be very cautious about pushing China too hard over the Spratley Islands. China has explicitly said that they regard the "First Island Chain"  as preventing them from operating in the Pacific, and leaving their sea lanes very vulnerable.

    America's actions in the South China Sea only bring home in a very concrete way just how accurate the the Chinese analysis is, and makes a solution all the more urgent. The obvious solution is to "break the chain" (i.e. re-unite Taiwan with the mainland by one means or another), which is precisely what the US doesn't want, but is pushing China toward with it's actions.

    That said, I think the Chinese have had a lot of time to think over their options, and realised full scale invasion of Taiwan would result in a nightmarish quagmire, and any occupation by force would be unsustainable. Peaceful reunification would be ideal, but how long can they afford to wait whilst the US treats Chinese shipping lanes as an American bathtub?

    If reunification is not forthcoming in the near future, and America keeps harassing them in the South China Sea, I suspect China may reach a hybrid solution, and seize the bits of Taiwan it needs most - the Pacific coast... and there is low hanging fruit in the form of the Lanyu (Orchid) Islands and Lu Tao Island.

    All of them are off the Pacific coast of Taiwan, and none are densely populated. Lanyu has about 4000 people, and Lu Tao around 2500. A large naval base there as a home-port for a pacific fleet would allow China to project naval assets directly into the Pacific and effectively by-pass the first island chain altogether. It would be incalculably easier than attempting to invade Taiwan and whilst it would doubtless cause an international shockwave, would be unlikely to actually provoke a conflict with the US - or even much beyond a token skirmish with Taiwan. I genuinely doubt Taiwan would risk a full-scale war and consequent invasion rather than concede the islands to China, which it's only used a dump for toxic waste anyway.

    In order to secure access to those bases from the south (where China seems to be shifting it's naval focus) then it would also be necessary to take the uninhabited but garrisoned Pratas Islands, a large atoll in the South China Sea which essentially sits in the middle of the route from Hainan or Guangdong to the Luzon Strait.


    highly unlikely to happen. China invading Taiwan for reunification.

    Exactly. I don't think an invasion of Taiwan proper is feasible, let alone likely. But the need for control of shipping routes is growing ever more pressing as the US turns up the heat. Taking the Pacific facing off-shore islands of Taiwan seems to be to be a militarily and diplomatically feasible (not trouble free, but doable) way for China to secure access to the Pacific. If I'm overlooking something here, I'd like your take on it.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:35 am

    Beijing Raises Concerns Over US-Philippines Base Deal in South China Sea

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    Post  max steel on Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:23 pm

    China’s Three Missile Submarines a ‘Concern’


    The Chinese Navy has deployed three ballistic missile submarines at sea capable of striking the United States with nuclear missiles, the commander of the U.S. Northern Command said Tuesday.

    Adm. William Gortney, the commander, said the submarines are a “concern” and will be able to strike the United States when fully deployed with missiles and warheads.

    The missile submarines are deployed in the South China Sea at a base on Hainan Island, according to a defense official.

    “They’ve not loaded their missiles or begun strategic patrols,” the official said. “But we believe they are likely to begin this year.”

    Gortney also stated explicitly that U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that North Korea is capable of mounting a small nuclear warhead on its new road-mobile KN-08 intercontinental missiles.

    In a wide ranging interview with reporters at the Pentagon, the admiral also disclosed that Russia is engaged in political “messaging” by sending long-range nuclear bombers near the United States and will probably follow through with promises to fly Tu-160 Blackjack bombers near the southern U.S. coast.

    On the Chinese sea-based nuclear threat, Gortney said: “They have put to sea their sea-launched ballistic missile submarines. I believe they have three in the water right now.”

    Gortney said any time a nation has nuclear weapons and delivery systems that can reach the U.S. homeland, “it’s a concern of mine.”

    It was the first time a senior U.S. military official voiced worries about Chinese nuclear missile submarines.

    The four-star admiral in charge of the Colorado-based Northern Command in charge of homeland military defense said Chinese missile submarines are watched very closely.

    “And you know, their very long-range capability is a function of how far do they reach,” he said. “So even from their own waters, they can reach part of our homeland. Hawaii is part of our homeland and they can reach Hawaii. And then the farther east they go, they can reach more and more of our nation.”

    Asked if they have conducted sea patrols near U.S. coasts, Gortney suggested Chinese submarines could conduct underwater operations near U.S. shores in the future.

    “We haven’t seen those patrols just yet, but it doesn’t mean that those patrols can’t exist in the future,” he said.

    China in January conducted a flight test of the new JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missile that is deployed on what the Pentagon calls China’s new Jin-class submarines.

    A congressional commission reported that the JL-2 appears to have reached initial operating capability.

    “The JL-2’s range of approximately 4,598 miles gives China the ability to conduct nuclear strikes against Alaska if launched from waters near China; against Alaska and Hawaii if launched from waters south of Japan; against Alaska, Hawaii and the western portion of the continental United States if launched from waters west of Hawaii; and against all 50 U.S. states if launched from waters east of Hawaii,” the U.S.-China Economic Security and Review Commission stated in its latest annual report.

    Jin-class submarines can carry up to 12 JL-2 missiles, each of which is expected to have multiple warheads.

    Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Vincent Stewart, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told the House Armed Services Committee Feb. 3 that the first missile submarine patrols were expected this year.

    “In 2014, China twice deployed submarines to the Indian Ocean,” Stewart said. “The submarines probably conducted area familiarization to form a baseline for increasing China’s power projection.”

    Gortney said he is not alarmed at the evolution of Chinese nuclear forces from silo-based ICBMs to road-mobile missiles and now missile-firing submarines.

    “It doesn’t surprise me that they’re doing it,” he said. “We do the same thing. We’ve done that for years.”

    China also has adopted a policy of not being the first to use nuclear weapons in a conflict that Gortney said “gives me a little bit of a good news picture there.”

    Rick Fisher, a China military affairs expert, said that Chinese missile submarine patrols have been expected for years. The missile submarine patrols, when launched, will mark “the end of China’s 40-year quest to build a submarine-based nuclear second-strike capability,” said Fisher, a senior fellow at the International Assessment and Strategy Center.

    Fisher said China also is building more advanced missile submarines and possibly a longer-range version of the JL-2.

    “It is conceivable that China eventually will deploy six to 10 SSBNs with slightly less than or over 100 submarine-launched ballistic missiles,” he said. SSBN is the acronym for a ballistic missile submarine.

    On North Korea’s nuclear missile threat, Gortney provided the most detailed explanation to date of U.S. assessments of Pyongyang’s nuclear missile capability.

    “Our assessment is that they have the ability to put a nuclear weapon on a KN-08 and shoot it at the homeland,” Gortney said, referring to North Korea’s six road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    “We haven’t seen them test the KN-08 yet and we’re waiting to do that,” he added.

    Asked if the assessment was based on excess caution, he said: “No, I think it’s a prudent decision by my assessment of the threat, and the threat to the nation.”

    The assessment that the KN-08 could be armed with a nuclear warhead was made in the last one or two years, he said.

    Gortney voiced confidence that U.S. missile defenses currently deployed on ships in Asia and at bases in Alaska and California can stop a North Korean missile attack.

    “As the person that owns the trigger … I have high confidence that it will work against North Korea,” he said.

    Gortney said he is “very concerned” by North Korea’s new KN-08 truck-mounted ICBM that can be moved on roads and hidden in shelters and caves.

    “It’s a re-locatable target set that really impedes our ability to find, fix, and finish the threat,” he said.

    “And so, as the targets move around, if we don’t have the persistence there and the persistent [intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance], which we do not have over North Korea at this time, that re-locatable nature makes it very difficult for us to be able to counter it.”

    However, if the North Koreans fire one of the missiles at the United States, “I’m confident that we’ll be able to knock it down,” he said.

    The KN-08 is deployed on Chinese-made transporter-erector launchers that were shipped to North Korea in violation of U.N. missile sanctions.

    The Northern Command is preparing for Russia to conduct provocative strategic bomber flights along U.S. southern coasts.

    Moscow announced last year that it would begin conducting bomber flights in the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean.

    “The one that we expect would be either Blackjack bombers or large jet bombers, not the Bears that we see them flying elsewhere,” Gortney said.

    “It wouldn’t surprise me that they do that,” he said. “We’re prepared for it, you know, to intercept them, should we need to, should we choose to.”

    The Russians are conducting the flights as part of nuclear forces exercises and as political signals, he said.

    “They’re messaging us, showing us that they have a long-range conventional reach or nuclear reach with their manned bombers,” he said.

    Gortney said Russia under Putin has developed a far more capable military than the very large military of the former Soviet Union, and has a new military doctrine to go along with the buildup.

    “You’re seeing that bear out. You’re seeing them employ that capability and that doctrine in the Ukraine,” he said. “At they same time they are messaging us … that they’re a global power.”

    The aggressive flights were conducted with great frequency following the downing of a civilian airliner over Ukraine in July. At the time, Russian bombers were conducting flights near Canada, Alaska, and the English Channel.

    Two Russian naval vessels also have been sailing near the United States. An intelligence gathering ship recently left Venezuela and another logistics ship sailed to Cuba.

    Mark Schneider, a former Pentagon strategic affairs policymaker, said the admiral is correct about Russia planning Blackjack flights for political messaging.

    “The Russian message is nuclear intimidation,” Schneider said. “There is no reason to fly bombers that far south when they carry nuclear cruise missiles with ranges of thousands of kilometers. They do this because they know the intimidation factor will be higher if the bombers come close to the United States.”

    The same rationale is behind recent, large-scale Russian nuclear forces exercises near Crimea and Kaliningrad, where Moscow is deploying nuclear-capable Iskander M short-range missiles and Backfire bombers, along with recent nuclear threats by a Russian ambassador directed at Denmark, and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s threatening language regarding Ukraine.

    “They want to scare us but not so much that we take measures to enhance our nuclear deterrent,” he said. “As long as we do little or nothing in response, these threats will continue to escalate.”

    On the threat posed by the Islamic State (IS, also known as ISIS or ISIL) terrorist group, Gortney said the threat that IS fighters will infiltrate through porous U.S. borders is less a worry than the current “very sophisticated” social media campaign being used by the group to recruit terrorists here.

    “That’s how they are trying to attack us,” he said.U.S. borders could be used, however by enemies that seek “seams” in defenses.

    Gortney also said he is not in favor of building a third ground-based missile defense interceptor on the U.S. East Coast. He would prefer to spend the limited money available for missile defenses on other elements of missile defenses, such as sensors and other equipment.

    “Our current approach is on the wrong side of the cost curve,” he said.

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  max steel on Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:39 pm

    Wired for Sound in the 'Near Seas'

    China is deploying an ocean-floor surveillance network to strengthen its antisubmarine-warfare capability. As China’s naval modernization program has shifted into high gear in recent years, numerous defense analysts, both inside and outside China, have rightly pointed to the People’s Liberation Army Navy’s (PLAN’s) quite obvious weaknesses in antisubmarine warfare (ASW) as a persistent Achilles’ heel of the evolving force. Although the 2012 introduction of the Type 056 light frigate, which has subsequently been produced at an unusually rapid clip, may represent a significant step toward increasing ASW prowess, there appears to be a long road ahead for Chinese development in this realm. This is made more likely given the profound paucity of operational experience in the PLAN, as well as the apparently long-time neglect of maritime-patrol aircraft and ship-borne helicopters.

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    Post  max steel on Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:11 pm

    China Prepares Navy Warships to Fight US Submarines


    China has a glaring hole in its military strategy against the United States. Military analysts have pointed out that while China is investing in ballistic and cruise missiles to keep foreign ships away, it has little to counter U.S. submarines which would play a pivotal role in a conflict with China.

    The Chinese regime seems to have become privy to this gap. It has been building and deploying systems designed to detect and attack U.S. submarines. Recent photos show China has also begun fitting warships with sonar systems designed for anti-submarine warfare.

    Two types of ships in China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) are being fitted with what appear to be variable depth sonars (VDSs). Images of the additional systems were posted on cjdby.net (which appears to be offline at the time of writing), and were picked up by IHS Janes, a leading security intelligence company.

    The two ship models are China’s Type 054A frigates and the Type 056 corvettes. The photos were taken at Huangpu shipyard in Guangzhou province, China.

    Both models of the Chinese ships are already equipped with bow-mounted sonars. The new sonar systems are tow arrays. An analysis from IHS Janes says the location of the new sonar systems, “suggest that some platforms will be primarily anti-submarine warfare.”

    The Chinese regime has been trying to build an arsental of weapons and systems capable of detecting and destroying submarines.

    A recent report from the U.S. Naval War College says China’s navy has “limitations or weaknesses in several areas,” which include anti-air warfare and anti-submarine warfare. It notes, however, that China is trying to change this.

    Currently, mine warfare is the Chinese navy’s key strategy for countering submarines. The report states that China’s mine warfare school is in Dalian, near one of China’s major surface warfare schools for military officers. It states that close to 55 PLAN submarines can sow mines, and that China has been “increasingly emphasizing training for aircrews in mining tactics, techniques, and procedures.”

    The U.S. Naval Institute found in April that China is also deploying a network of sensors on the ocean floor to “strengthen its antisubmarine-warfare capability.”

    The network of sensors is similar to the U.S. Sound Surveillance System (SOSUS), which the U.S. Navy started in 1949 for anti-submarine warfare. SOSUS listening posts are deployed in the Atlantic Ocean and Pacific Ocean, typically at geographic chokepoints that submarines will likely pass through. The system was used to keep track of Soviet submarines during the Cold War.

    The Naval Institute states that analysts inside and outside China “have rightly pointed to the [PLAN’s] quite obvious weaknesses in antisubmarine warfare (ASW) as a persistent Achilles’ heel of the evolving force.” It notes that despite China’s focus on fighting submarines, it still has a “long road ahead…”

    According to The Diplomat, however, if the Chinese regime were to perfect such technology, “it could largely negate the military capabilities of America’s submarine forces…”

    “If China were able to field such a network–which according to the piece is setting up undersea-sensor test sites in the Yellow, East and South China Seas–then American subs could be pushed back beyond the range of such networks,” it states.

    The goal of the Chinese regime appears to be just that—to push the United States far from China’s shores. The U.S. military refers to China’s approach as an anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) strategy.

    The strategy is meant to “deter U.S. intervention in a conflict in China’s near-seas region over Taiwan or some other issue, or failing that, delay the arrival or reduce the effectiveness of intervening U.S. forces,” according to an August report from the Congressional Research Service on China’s naval modernization.

    The Soviets had used a similar strategy during the Cold War. According to the report, the Soviets used the strategy to block the United States from intervening in a NATO-Warsaw Pact conflict.

    The Chinese regime has a few weapons the Soviets did not, particularly anti-ship ballistic missiles. Yet, it still lags behind the the area of submarine and anti-submarine warfare.

    China is making “moderate progress” in anti-submarine warfare, according to the Congressional Research Center. It states that given its developments in deploying sonars on warships and other systems for anti-submarine warfare, the PLAN “may be more capable of identifying adversary submarines in limited areas by 2020.



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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  max steel on Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:43 pm

    China military says US F-22 stealth fighters detected

    The Chinese military is able to detect U.S. F-22 stealth fighter jets, according to a Chinese military expert in an interview for a CCTV program.
    Several fighters from East China Sea Fleet patrolled around the Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) over the East China Sea after receiving orders that unidentified tracking occurred near the ADIZ on the morning of Feb. 10.

    The report said that helicopters from a carrier-based helicopter brigade along with the carrier patrolled around the area and missiles were set on fighters on duty at nearby military airports which were prepared to take off for combat. However the report did not disclose which country the objects belong to or other relevant information.

    Some Western media guessed that the unidentified objects might be the U.S. F-22 stealth fighter jets. Chinese military expert Yin Zhuo told Asia Today that if the unidentified objects appearing near ADIZ over the East China Sea turned out to be F-22 from the U.S., it would be a good opportunity for China's military to practice its ability to find, identify and intercept stealth fighters.

    Does China's military have the ability to find and identify stealth fighters? Military experts said that new type of Chinese Phased Array Radar is able to fulfill this task. Yin also said that F-22 is not totally stealth and meter-wave radar could detect the fighter. Radars arranged towards the East China Sea are able to find the F-22 stealth fighter jets, according to Yin. Besides, airborne early warning and control aircraft like KJ-2000 and KJ-500 are also equipped with the ability to detect stealth fighter jets.

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  George1 on Thu May 19, 2016 3:27 pm

    China Confirms Intercepting US Reconnaissance Plane Over South China Sea

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160519/1039870174/china-us-reconnaissance-plane.html#ixzz496l1pSVU


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