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    Post  andalusia on Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:14 am

    What do you guys think of this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-hypersonic-missiles-are-not-game-changing-says-army-chief-of-staff-231032723.html
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:28 am

    I think that he had to say that Wink
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    Post  kvs on Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:07 am

    andalusia wrote:What do you guys think of this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-hypersonic-missiles-are-not-game-changing-says-army-chief-of-staff-231032723.html

    That must be why John Bolton accused Russia of stealing the technology.... Laughing

    Americans only know how trash talk.

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    Post  Viktor on Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:10 pm

    andalusia wrote:What do you guys think of this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-hypersonic-missiles-are-not-game-changing-says-army-chief-of-staff-231032723.html

    Confidence boosting at play where behind those words stands nothing. There is no logic as to answer the question "why" there is no knowledge as to answer the question "with what"

    there is nothing to support the claim. People in the establishment are scared because it is them hypersonic is aimed at and taking decisions under the state of fear means succumbing

    so as they can only work with what they have got and not with what they dont they might along the way that is unavoidable feel a bit better.

    I dont recoil I have seen any western media dismissing Puting words about "weapons superiority" as lies Laughing Laughing and what could they show besides emotional denial ? scratch
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:21 am

    kvs wrote:
    andalusia wrote:What do you guys think of this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-hypersonic-missiles-are-not-game-changing-says-army-chief-of-staff-231032723.html

    That must be why John Bolton accused Russia of stealing the technology.... Laughing

    Americans only know how trash talk.

    Then they need to explain why RAND Corp is advocating a global world-wide treaty on a moratorium/ban on hypersonic weapons.
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:21 pm

    It doesn't matter what they advocate or what PR campaigns they run among their own populations.

    The only thing that matters is what Russia (and later China) judges to be in its interest and what it signs up for. So they better put that energy instead into formulating proposals and getting ready for some hard concessions and negotiations. Else they better get ready for them hypersonic missiles.

    Given the NATO superiority in the surface fleet and aircraft carriers, it's hard to see Russia agreeing to limit anything though. It knows it needs such missiles as a counter.
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    Post  Aristide on Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:20 pm

    1. All rockets are hypersonic.
    2. hypersonic projectile can actully be stopped quite easily. Their flight path is very predictable, because teh G-forces involved in change of direction are so high. They can easily be taken out
    by strew field penetrators or laser weapons.

    3. All this is a distraction rubbish anyways. I honestly dont understand whats the fuss about Russia?

    Its not in french or European interest to be hostile with Russia. Russia is to weak to be a threat, both in economy and military. But Russia is a big market and chance for rescoruces.

    Our president understands that. Even his biggest competitor Marine understands that.

    The enemy is China, not Russia.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:52 pm

    France is a bigger threat than China or most other countries... as our french friend clearly spells out... big market with plenty of resources to make money on... and of course the way the wests trades with countries they will strip mine the resources and walk away with most of the money generated...

    1. All rockets are hypersonic.

    No they aren't. The definition of hypersonic is faster than Mach 5, so the majority of air to air missiles and shorter ranged ballistic missiles are not hypersonic.

    2. hypersonic projectile can actully be stopped quite easily. Their flight path is very predictable, because teh G-forces involved in change of direction are so high. They can easily be taken out
    by strew field penetrators or laser weapons.

    Hypersonic ballistic projectiles have a predictable path and can be intercepted by systems designed to do so... hypersonic manouvering weapons like Iskander and Kinzhal are rather more difficult to intercept... but please tell us all about the field penetrators and laser weapons ready and operational that make hypersonic weapons useless...

    3. All this is a distraction rubbish anyways. I honestly dont understand whats the fuss about Russia?

    To displace your problems and to blame someone else so you ignore protests in France but focus on protests in Moscow or Hong Kong...

    Our president understands that. Even his biggest competitor Marine understands that.

    Le Penn was saying this last election and no body listened to her... but now Micron is a genius for working it out for himself that the huge country with all those forests and oil and gas and minerals and resources could be a good place to do business and make money... fucking amazing... hey... you could sell them some ships... if America says you can...

    France is part of the enemy called the west that is a much bigger threat to Russias future than China would ever be... Russia can just sell gas to the EU and turn east for its future...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:07 pm

    I think we can now add Belarus to the list.

    That country is now budding up with US while supplying subsidized Russian oil to Ukraine for a while

    Lukashenko now insults Russia and Putin.

    So add that shithole.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:42 am

    miketheterrible wrote:I think we can now add Belarus to the list.

    That country is now budding up with US while supplying subsidized Russian oil to Ukraine for a while

    Lukashenko now insults Russia and Putin.

    So add that shithole.

    I have been posting on this for a while. Lukashenko is an example of how absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    He may have been something of substance in the 1990s and spared Belorussians the shock therapy witch-doctor
    pain of Yeltsin's "reforms". But he has degenerated into a self-interested scumbag eager to sell Belorussians
    down the river.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:07 am

    He is the single child trying to set each of his divorced parents against each other to get a new bike and a new phone and lots of other cool stuff... he is too stupid to realise however that getting his parents to compete creates conflict and with one parent dead and the other parent in jail for their murder there wont be any new cool stuff and the kids in the foster home he is sent to will steal all his neat stuff the first chance they get...

    Belarus seems to prosper on subsidies and good will from Russia... removing that economic burden from Russia will be a good thing for Russia...

    Putin misses the Soviet Union... there is strength in numbers but only if everyone pulls their weight and contributes. When countries demand better deals or else they will look to the west... well fuck off... blackmail only works when you are of value and now that the INF treaty is gone NATO can put missiles all over western european territory... they don't need land right next to Russian territory to threaten Russia, so go that way and become an economic burden to the west instead.

    Russia is better off spending money on Russia instead of subsidising the Ukraine or Belarus or the Baltic states or Georgia... the only real exception was Crimea but that is now solved...

    Even Baikanor is solving itself with their new space port and now even Sea Launch...
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    Post  Hole on Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:35 pm

    He misses the old Russia before Lenin and Stalin invented artifical "states" and broke Russia up with made up borders.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:34 pm

    Hole wrote:He misses the old Russia before Lenin and Stalin invented artifical "states" and broke Russia up with made up borders.

    Pooland is starting a campaign of hysteria about Russia invading Belarus in the near future. Belarus certainly has nothing to do with
    Pooland and its separation from Russia was illegal as you note.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:35 am

    He misses the old Russia before Lenin and Stalin invented artifical "states" and broke Russia up with made up borders.

    But not so much that he would give up power and let Russia absorb Belarus back into one larger country... though I am sure if Putin offered to step down and let him take control of this new Russian federation that included belarus he would jump at the chance... it is too much about personal politics sadly...

    By the time they understand the western tactic of divide and conquer it will be too late... but for Russia itself this is just shaving off the fat... the dead weight and making Russia more lean and efficient in the multi polar world...

    The leadership in the Ukraine were anti Russia but the realised Russia and China were offering the Ukraine a better future than the western/EU offer... when they took the wrong offer they were removed from power and the replacement government led the Ukraine in to poverty and debt and destitution... cutting economic ties with its large neighbour was an enormous kick in the balls to Kiev itself... one which it may never recover from...

    It was painful for Russia too but has resulted in them also becoming more independent and able to offer its products internationally without having to negotiate for parts from third parties like it did before with transport planes, helicopters and ships...

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:10 am

    It is just a personal opinion, but i believe that, going forward with his current stance Lukashenko will end up like Yanukovich if he is lucky or like Ceaușescu if he is not.

    He does not care at all about the wellbeing of the citizensp, he is only interested in his personal power.

    And he does not understand that in case of reunification, even if he would not be the boss, he would have been offered a quite important position to satisfy his ego and allow him and his family to maintain a quite high lifestyle.

    Anyway, i am sure that the Russian authorities are quite fed up with him.

    At the end of this year there should be the Belorussian presidential elections... maybe Russia could start supporting another candidate...

    The thing that must be clear is that Russia is ready to cooperate with any nation, but if a former part of Russia want to have the same treatments and benefits as a Russian region, than they should also follow orders and pay taxes in Russia. If Lukashenko or his successor wants to play an independent politic, they are free to do it with their own money.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:56 am

    It is tricky... Russia does not want to push Belarus away... they pretty much did everything they could to keep the Ukraine happy and they still bit the hand that fed them... but at the end of the day Russia is looking for solid stable mature countries to trade with and grow with and develop with... they don't need weak countries wanting hand outs and special treatment because they have done Russia the favour of trading with them.

    If Belarus wants to be treated like Russians then they need to be Russians.... nothing else is good enough.

    If they don't want to be Russians that is fine... Russia is not interested in absorbing its neighbours... it does not need extra land and it certainly does not need a 5th column population ready to sabotage everything they do just for spite within their federation...

    Countries can trade and have normal ties with Russia or they can hope the US will follow through on its promises and shower you with money... but that money is looking more and more like confetti... fewer countries are using it because the US has been using it as a weapon... it wont be worth much when it is no longer an international trade currency... they print more instead of earning money... the inflation on the US dollar should be a billion percent... if any other country tried that shit it would be... and you want them to shower you in that... it is only a matter of time before confetti is more expensive than cut up US dollar notes...

    Pretty soon the population are going to get sick of their dictator who isn't delivering on a better future any more... unlike Putin... when he realises he might not win the next election his bargaining strategy of making the US and Russia compete with offers might change dramatically...

    Russia should not interfere in Belarus elections... the costs are much more grave than any possible benefit... the same that could be said in US elections... both the democrats and republicans are right wing pro war nut cases... what would be the point of rigging the election when the result either way wont change very much at all...
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    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:14 am

    In Kyiv, Turkey's Erdogan Denounces Russia’s 'Illegitimate' Annexation Of Crimea


    Intel: Erdogan accuses Russia of 'negligence' while signing military aid deal with Ukraine   Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/02/intel-erdogan-ukraine-accuse-russia-idlib-turkey-syria-zelensky.html#ixzz6Cy1QZmm5

    And some people think he is a russian ally Rolling Eyes
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:17 am

    He is another Lukashenko.

    He will then go to Russia to kiss ass to get more trade deals since Turkey now is becoming reliant on Russian trade.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:41 am

    miketheterrible wrote:He is another Lukashenko.

    He will then go to Russia to kiss ass to get more trade deals since Turkey now is becoming reliant on Russian trade.

    Yes, he is a buffoon but at least he pays for the goods he receives from Russia...

    Anyway, if he continues on his current path I don't see a bright future for his country
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:40 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:In Kyiv, Turkey's Erdogan Denounces Russia’s 'Illegitimate' Annexation Of Crimea


    Intel: Erdogan accuses Russia of 'negligence' while signing military aid deal with Ukraine   Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/02/intel-erdogan-ukraine-accuse-russia-idlib-turkey-syria-zelensky.html#ixzz6Cy1QZmm5

    And some people think he is a russian ally Rolling Eyes

    No one here (besides the Turkish forum members) believe that....but he's useful for his purpose, which is being a headache for NATO like Ukraine is for Russia. The Turkish participation in the F-35 program will be the gift that keeps on giving, and HATO's vassal's will take the losses and expenses on the chin.....there's a reason why vassal and Vaseline sounds so similar! Wink
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:07 pm

    Kissing the ass of the people whose country you happen to be in is perfectly normal... in Kiev he would probably get shot if he said anything nice about Russia.

    He has a big mouth but Russia could care less what he has to say regarding Crimea... it changes nothing... America might jump up and down and demand total subservience or else its their ball and they are taking it when they go home, but Russia doesn't demand its customers behave like a whipped dog...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:28 pm

    plus it does make him sound like a massive hypocrite since you know, Turkish occupation of Cyprus.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:05 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:plus it does make him sound like a massive hypocrite since you know, Turkish occupation of Cyprus.

    I am more annoyed by their continuous occupation of Constantinople.

    Unfortunately the last time that Russia could have solved that problem, they were blocked by England and other western countries
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    Post  jhelb on Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:52 pm

    GarryB wrote:If Belarus wants to be treated like Russians then they need to be Russians.... nothing else is good enough.

    It was the Kremlin's decision not to include Belarus in Russia after the USSR was dissolved. No official offer has been made by the Kremlin yet to Belarus to join Russia.

    Kremlin doesn't want any territory. Else they could have taken over Ukraine in 2014 itself.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:42 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    GarryB wrote:If Belarus wants to be treated like Russians then they need to be Russians.... nothing else is good enough.

    It was the Kremlin's decision not to include Belarus in Russia after the USSR was dissolved. No official offer has been made by the Kremlin yet to Belarus to join Russia.

    Kremlin doesn't want any territory. Else they could have taken over Ukraine in 2014 itself.
    no they could not have. Keeping bielorussa and most of ukraine would have been very simple at the moment of the official dissolution of the soviet union, but occupying with the army a territory inhabited by people that have been brainwashed since at least the 80s about russophobia would have been quite a problem. In 2014 even in Odessa and Kharkov half of the population was not interested in becoming a part of Russia. Also with the international political situation at that time it was not the best moment. Possibly in the future the situation will be different

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