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    Post  kvs Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:14 pm

    From a certain interaction I learned that in Japan there is the belief that Russia is claiming more than just the four Kuril islands that Japan is
    disputing. I have never heard of Russia claiming parts or all of Hokkaido. Of course there is no such thing as a claim on mainland Japan. This
    shows the sort of propaganda that is used to keep the Japanese on the anti-Russian plantation. The other one is the fake victimhood narrative
    that is taught to the Japanese in their textbooks. So the loss of the four Kuril islands is just a Russian invasion and not due to the fact that Japan
    launched a war of aggression. This includes its attack on the USSR.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:19 pm

    Another belief is that "USA defeat Japan fair and square and take no land from Japan" while "Russia do nothing in the war, just steal land from Japan."

    I do not claim that all Japaneses have that thinking but somebody confessed to me they really believe that way.

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    Post  kvs Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:32 pm

    Japan decided to call a "time out" after their asses were kicked at Khalkin Gol. But that is not how war is "played". There are no time outs.

    So we have exceptionalist lunatics making up their own rules and then acting like victims because the real victims don't follow these rules.

    Japan was just as depraved as their German Nazi allies. Unit 731 demonstrates this.

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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:35 pm

     I have never heard of Russia claiming parts or all of Hokkaido. 
    Well, the surrender proposal of the "Big 3" provided for the partitioning of Japan
    into occupation zones. Hokkaido was to be the Russian (SU) one.
    Truman shit on the agreement after he came to power.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:50 pm

    Hole wrote:Well, the surrender proposal of the "Big 3" provided for the partitioning of Japan
    into occupation zones. Hokkaido was to be the Russian (SU) one.
    Truman shit on the agreement after he came to power.
    Hokkaido was annexed by Japan only in the late XIXth century. Japan's claims to the northern islands are flimsy at best.

    The Ryukyu islands (including Okinawa) were annexed by Japan centuries earlier. But they remained as tributaries to the Chinese Emperors until the XIXth century.

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    Post  kvs Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:14 pm

    Hole wrote:
     I have never heard of Russia claiming parts or all of Hokkaido. 
    Well, the surrender proposal of the "Big 3" provided for the partitioning of Japan
    into occupation zones. Hokkaido was to be the Russian (SU) one.
    Truman shit on the agreement after he came to power.

    This does not sound like territorial transfer to the USSR. The European occupation zones did not result in the USSR annexing
    Austria, etc.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:30 pm

    From my point of view it is nothing bad at all if the USSR occupy northern Japan and established a, for example, People's Republic of Ainu in Hokkaido.

    At least the Ainu people may not lost their native mother tounge like what has been happening.

    In Eastern Germany people did a good thing of exterminating not only Nazi criminals but also old landlords and privileged families that lived on by bloodsucking people, meanwhile the very same thugs has been protected, whitewashed and bloated in the land occupied by the "free West". Nazi criminals, including the supporter of Maidan fascist regimes, is still barking loudly in Canada. Japanese textbook and media whitewashing the fascist regime in WW2.

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:21 am

    Yes, the nazi core in NATzO is covered by a thin progressive crust. We have seen the true face of the west during the Ukraine conflict.

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:41 am

    The European occupation zones did not result in the USSR annexing Austria, etc.
    Which turned out to be a mistake. 

    Yes, under the treaty Hokkaido would have not become a part of Russia (SU),
    but todays claims by some weirdos in Japan go back to it.

    By the way...
    Did you guys see the speech of the Japanese PM in the US Congress?
    Talking about evil Russia and her nuclear threats?
    No
    In the country which dropped two nukes on his country he talks about nuclear dangers...
    and never mentions the US!
    clown

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:41 am

    The next stage in Japan's historical revisionism is to delete Hiroshima and Nagasaki as US atomic bomb attacks and to try to pin this
    on Russia in some way. I am not making this up. Opinion polls amongst Japanese youth indicates that they don't even know who
    bombed them in 1945.

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:27 pm

    On the other hand, the Americans are so proud of their "achievements", they would never allow the first drop
    of a nuclear bomb to be credited to someone else.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:22 pm

    And he added: “Many (political figures) said just two years ago that they would never deliver tanks, planes, long-range missiles.” Apparently, Macron intends to seriously work on convincing his comrades in the anti-Russian coalition to take part in the conflict by directly sending troops.


    As French Prime Minister Gabriel Attal explained , “Emmanuel Macron said that we will continue to support Kiev... Nothing can be ruled out in war. They once said that we would not send weapons, only what was necessary for defense. Now we are talking about the supply of long-range missiles... Nothing can be ruled out in the future.”

    So how long before tactical nuclear weapons or bio or chemical weapons are supplied to Kiev?

    From a certain interaction I learned that in Japan there is the belief that Russia is claiming more than just the four Kuril islands that Japan is
    disputing. I have never heard of Russia claiming parts or all of Hokkaido.

    But it fits in with western BS propaganda... you hear the most anti Russian European countries claim the west has to support Kiev because once Russia has finished with Ukraine it is coming for the EU next... these people are deluded... and it is a bit stupid anyway... many sensible Europeans might prefer Putin to be their president than the leaders they have in their own countries and in Brussels and their real leaders in Washington and of course huge mansions around the world.

    Japan decided to call a "time out" after their asses were kicked at Khalkin Gol. But that is not how war is "played". There are no time outs.

    Japan took a lot of land before WWII by force and by right of force tried to keep it.

    When provoked and under an agreement with the US the Soviet Union was obliged to join the war against Japan because the US was afraid that when the war in Europe ended they would be left alone to fight it out with Japan. What if the planes with the nuclear bombs got shot down, or the bombs didn't work... they could be fighting Japan for the next 10 years... so they concluded an agreement with Stalin that x number of days after the end of the war in Europe that Stalin would open a second front in Asia against Japan... which they did.

    A chance for the Soviets to recover a lot of territory lost to Japan in the previous conflict in the region, not to mention Japanese forces in Soviet territory during the Soviet revolution.

    From my point of view it is nothing bad at all if the USSR occupy northern Japan and established a, for example, People's Republic of Ainu in Hokkaido.

    At least the Ainu people may not lost their native mother tounge like what has been happening.

    You tell your friends that it is strange they fear Russian rule when they seem to accept US rule so easily...

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