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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:20 pm

    Source: drone drones "Hunter" will be the prototype of a fighter of the 6th generation



    The interlocutor of the agency specified that the aircraft could independently "take off, complete the mission and return to the airfield"

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5389366


    MOSCOW, July 20. / TASS /. The newest Russian unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) "Hunter" will be the prototype of a fighter of the 6th generation, a source in the defense industrial complex told Tass.

    According to him, the signs of a fighter of the 6th generation "are not completely formed, but you can identify the main features." "First of all, this is the lack of a pilot and the ability to autonomously perform any combat tasks.In this part - artificial intelligence and autonomy -" Hunter "will be the prototype of a fighter of the 6th generation," the source said.

    The source specified that the "Hunter" will be able to completely independently "take off, complete the mission and return to the airfield." "The only thing: he will not yet receive the function of making a decision on the use of weapons - it remains for the person," the interlocutor explained.

    TASS does not have an official confirmation of the information provided by the source.

    "Hunter"
    As another source in the defense industry told TASS earlier, the creation of the first prototype of the Hunter UAV at the Novosibirsk plant of the Sukhoi company has been completely completed, and its test flights will begin by the end of the year. According to open data, "Hunter" is made with the use of technology "stealth", has an aerodynamic scheme "flying wing" (no tail unit), the take-off mass of the device reaches 20 tons. According to unconfirmed information, UAV has a jet engine and can develop a speed of about 1000 km / h.

    The contract for the development of the "Hunter" was signed between the military department and the company "Sukhoi" in 2011. The first model of the UAV for conducting ground tests was created in 2014.

    About the beginning of work in Russia on a combat aircraft of the 6th generation was announced in March 2016. To the characteristic features of such an aircraft, Russian specialists attribute optional maneuverability - in the basic version the car will be unmanned. The absence of a pilot will allow the aircraft to reach a new level of maneuverability (less will be limited by overloading in flight). It is believed that the fighter can use weapons on new physical principles, get hypersonic speed, the ability to go into near space, radio-optical radar.

    Foreign criteria
    Actually, the conceptual development of a fighter of the 6th generation is being carried out in the USA. Among the characteristics of the aircraft in various American projects are a new level of declining visibility, the possibility of using laser and microwave weapons, further increasing the capabilities of on-board radio electronic equipment, increased range and speed of flight, etc. The unmanned version of the new fighter in the US is not considered a priority, however, an optional unmanned aircraft is not excluded.

    Now in the world there are fighters of the 5th generation, including in Russia - Su-57, in t
    he USA - F-22. Their distinctive features were technologies to reduce visibility in various bands (stealth), super-cruising cruising speed, multifunctionality, the latest on-board equipment.


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    Post  dino00 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:37 pm

    More a development concept than a prototype.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:24 pm

    The prototype of the Okhotnik is nearly Ready for flight tests.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:08 pm

    dino00 wrote:More a development concept than a prototype.

    actually a prototype.
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:28 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    dino00 wrote:More a development concept than a prototype.

    actually a prototype.

    Very Happy I was talking about suckoy drone being a development concept for a Six generation Fighter.

    The Hunter is a prototype for a stealth ucav...i think its dumb when they call This 6 generation.

    I dont know the Russian generation Fighter will be, but i bet it wont BE subsonic
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:05 am

    dino00 wrote:
    The Hunter is a prototype for a stealth ucav...i think its dumb when they call This 6 generation.

    I dont know the Russian generation Fighter will be, but i bet it wont BE subsonic

    OK in this sense I got it thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup
    As for speed Im not sure if fighters flying around earth will have more than 2,5Ma anyway. Too high temperatures dut to air compression.


    I'd say it is testing components of 6th gen:

    a) fully autonomous flight & fight (nothing said about fighter fighting tho)
    b) EW/ beam weapons for attack and self-defense

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    Post  Hole on Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:34 am

    They can call it like they want.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:09 am

    Hole wrote:They can call it like they want.

    I still would love to see Anchar - if its hypersonic is has to fly 40+ kms high is this in category of suborbital bombers then? Smile
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:55 am

    If it is defensive, and part of an air defence network, there is not need for everything to be hypersonic... many of the UCAVs would be cheaper and simpler if they were subsonic.

    With new ground, air, and space based radars Russia is going to end up with pretty good coverage, but the problem is that seeing is not good enough... you need to get weapons to the target and destroy it.

    Now hypersonic interceptors can play a part of that solution, but no every platform needs to be zipping around breaking sound barriers and burning up enormous amounts of fuel... several hundred aircraft with a dozen missiles each orbiting potential targets would be very useful to blunt a mass attack, while hypersonic super planes can go out and attack the launch platforms...

    Besides the 5th gen fighter concept was invented by a US company... why should a Russian company not invent a 6th gen fighter?

    I suspect when the next round of US sanctions get imposed on Russia that Putin will declare all western patents null and void in Russia anyway... Twisted Evil
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    Post  dino00 on Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:34 am

    Kronshtadt weaponises Orion-E UAV, outlines HALE UAV development

    Russia’s Kronshtadt Group, a subsidiary of Joint-Stock Financial Corporation Sistema, has unveiled a strike-capable variant of the Orion-E medium-altitude long-endurance unmanned aerial vehicle (MALE UAV).

    The weaponised Orion-E was showcased with a new 50 kg guided missile developed by the company.


    “It is a demonstrator of a smart munition for the Orion, and its weight can be increased to 100 kg,” a company source told Jane’s . “Thus, a single UAV can carry four 50 kg or two 100 kg munitions.

    “In the baseline configuration, the UAV carries one 50 kg weapon,” the source added.

    Jane’s has learnt that Kronshtadt Group is developing a more advanced version of the Orion-E UAV, which is designated Orion-2.

    The Orion-2 will be the first high-altitude long-endurance (HALE) UAV in the company’s portfolio. The air vehicle is understood to have a MTOW of 5,000 kg, a maximum flight altitude of 12,000 m, and a speed of 350 km/h.

    https://www.janes.com/article/83350/kronshtadt-weaponises-orion-e-uav-outlines-hale-uav-development

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:45 am

    GarryB wrote:If it is defensive, and part of an air defence network, there is not need for everything to be hypersonic... many of the UCAVs would be cheaper and simpler if they were subsonic.


    Anchar - tree Antiaris toxicaria. After en. wiki:

    Antiaris toxicaria is notorious as a poison for arrows, darts, and blowdarts. In Javanese tradition in Indonesia, Antiaris toxicaria is used with Strychnos ignatii. The latex of Antiaris toxicaria contains intensely toxic cardenolides,[10] in particular a cardiac glycoside named antiarin. The arrow poison is called upas, which in Javanese means "poison", though, like many Javanese words, it also has a number of figurative meanings, such as "watchman", "messenger" and "courier".[6]

    In China, this plant is known as "arrow poison wood" and the poison is said to be so deadly that it has been described as "Seven Up Eight Down Nine Death" meaning that a victim can take no more than seven steps uphill, eight steps downhill or nine steps on level ground before dying. Some travellers' tales have it that the Upas tree is the most poisonous in the world, so that no one can reach the trunk before falling down dead.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiaris


    who says it is gonna be defensive?
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    Post  dino00 on Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:21 pm

    In Russia flight tests of the newest drones have begun

    Flight tests of prototypes of a new unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), launched into the air inside the rocket of the Smerch burst rocket system Cool , began in Russia. On this, on Saturday, September 29, Deputy Director General of the concern "Techmash" Alexander Kochkin told journalists.

    It is noted that the main purpose of the UAV is the operational reconnaissance of targets. According to the calculations of the creators, the device will be able to stay in the air at an altitude of 500 m for 20 minutes and monitor the territory to 25 square meters. km.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:26 am

    who says it is gonna be defensive?

    Well the poison developer... the plant... was using it as a defence... it took a human to coat a weapon with the poison to make the weapon more effective in offense...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:06 am

    What about Orion? It sounds like it already works and works fine. While having decent range, altitude and capabilities.

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    Post  ATLASCUB on Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:13 am

    Anyone knows the source of this video?

    WARNING: MUTE SOUND BEFORE WATCHING.

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    Post  dino00 on Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:40 am

    Source: heavy drone "Hunter" on the test overclocked to 200 km / h

    The interlocutor of the agency said that the taxiing, run-up, set speed and stop at the end of the strip were performed by the drone completely autonomously.

    MOSCOW, November 23. / Tass /. In November, the Russian heavy pilot Okhotnik made the first run along the runway of the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant, reaching a speed of 200 km / h. This was reported TASS source in the aircraft industry

    “In November, for the first time, a pilot prototype of a UAV [unmanned aerial vehicle] Hunter ran along the“ take-off ”of the Novosibirsk aircraft factory, gaining [speed] 200 km / h in accordance with the test program. It did not take off in the air,” said the agency interlocutor.

    According to him, “taxiing, run-up, speeding up and stopping at the end of the run were performed by the“ Hunter ”completely autonomously.”

    By the end of the year, the “Hunter” will make several more runs on the runway of the aircraft factory without departing from the ground, the source specified. The next stage of testing will be the so-called jumps - the device will rise into the air above the strip by several meters and immediately land. After this, the first full flight will take place.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5824644
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:21 pm

    dino00 wrote:Source: heavy drone "Hunter" on the test overclocked to 200 km / h
    ................
    By the end of the year, the “Hunter” will make several more runs on the runway of the aircraft factory without departing from the ground[/b], the source specified. [b]The next stage of testing will be the so-called jumps - the device will rise into the air above the strip by several meters and immediately land. After this, the first full flight will take place.....


    Heavens to Betsy, even Serbia made more progress than this... No

    Do they​ plan on controlling this one from the helicopter as well?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:26 pm

    Orion seems to be ready. Why not just buy them instead? What's the
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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:57 pm

    Should i make a seperate topic for Okhotnik heavy drone? Question Question
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    Post  Hole on Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:01 pm

    Okhotnik is the 20 ton UCAV. Like the X-47.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:23 pm

    George1 wrote:Should i make a seperate topic for Okhotnik heavy drone? Question Question

    Wait until they show it first​
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:17 am

    Heavens to Betsy, even Serbia made more progress than this...

    Of course... there are thousands of innocent civilians walking around free to do as they please... Russia urgently needs a tool to get into the air and kill them from 10,000m altitude to stop them recklessly living their own lives...

    Ironic that the world wants to condemn the Saudis for killing a single political opponent, yet ignores the tens of thousand they kill in Yemen, and indeed the thousands the US has been killing for decades with their murder drones.

    The amusing thing is that when Russia starts putting decent drones into service all of a sudden the US and the west will realise there is a need for rules and limits on their use... you can't just arbitrarily kill anyone you like when you feel like it... that would be murder...

    In fact the suggestion without evidence that Russia intended to do harm to the Skripals has led to a range of sanctions and actions against Russia... they clearly should have used UAVs to do it...

    Ahh well... we wont ever know because Serbia will never get a UCAV of its own into service... it will likely just buy Chinese UCAVs... so Russia might never be able to make them... Rolling Eyes
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:28 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Heavens to Betsy, even Serbia made more progress than this...

    Of course... there are thousands of innocent civilians walking around free to do as they please... Russia urgently needs a tool to get into the air and kill them from 10,000m altitude to stop them recklessly living their own lives.......


    And what makes you think that civilians​ are relevant in armed conflict?

    Or better yet, what do civilians have to do with topic at hand?


    GarryB wrote:...Ahh well... we wont ever know because Serbia will never get a UCAV of its own into service... it will likely just buy Chinese UCAVs... so Russia might never be able to make them...


    Well those drones we do make don't require helicopter in order to function, just saying... Razz
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:35 am

    @PD
    not sure why you are such a drama queen? this is first factory test, to chekc if everything works, MS-21 alos first did taxing then started with open landing gear...
    Perhaps it is a good idea to read test plan first?


    from last year . So Serbia is more advanced in UAVs wow kudos!

    Named the date of appearance in Russia hypersonic UAVs

    https://rg.ru/2017/07/20/nazvan-srok-poiavleniia-v-rossii-giperzvukovyh-bespilotnikov.html

    In Russia, hypersonic unmanned aerial vehicles will appear in 2020. This was announced at the air show MAKS-2017 by Boris Obnosov, general director of Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation.

    In his speech, he noted that to solve this problem, scientists and engineers have to solve several problems, including the creation of new engines and materials for UAVs.

    “To solve this problem even at low hypersonic speeds of six to seven mach is very difficult. I think that in 2020 it will be a serious development of hypersonic speeds from the point of view of unmanned aerial vehicles,” Boris Obnosov told TASS .

    Note that the creation of hypersonic aircraft began in the Soviet Union for use in outer space. In the 1980s, the Kholod hypersonic flying laboratory was created on the basis of an S-200V anti-aircraft missile. Its estimated speed reached 6.5 max and its height - up to 35 kilometers.

    Later, at the MAKS-1999, a mock-up of the Hyla research hypersonic flying laboratory designed for the fundamental study of the problems of creating aerospace planes and high-speed jet engines was presented. An eight-meter air - and-orbital plane must ensure that speeds of up to 14 max are achieved. The height of the flight "Needles" - 50 kilometers. For the independent take-off, the “Needle” is not intended - its output to the upper layers of the atmosphere is provided by the Rokot light-class launch vehicle.



    This last Igla based vehice would be nice kind of orbital bomber Bondaryenko was talking about in 2017.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:46 am

    Hole wrote:Okhotnik is the 20 ton UCAV. Like the X-47.

    no way this one is smaller lol1 lol1 lol1






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