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    Post  Hole on Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:13 am

    Larger for engines and the other stuff. Same shape and materials.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:42 pm

    Hole wrote:Larger for engines and the other stuff. Same shape and materials.

    I'd love to see this Smile
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:25 pm

    Okhotnik will apparently take off for the first time in September. It wont be a fully fledged flight but rather short jumps... first flight 2019

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5482044

    Maybe we can see it at least during these tests?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:04 pm

    LMFS wrote:Okhotnik will apparently take off  for the first time in September. It wont be a fully fledged flight but rather short jumps... first flight 2019

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5482044

    Maybe we can see it at least during these tests?

    we will in a traditional to Russian media way: first army's gonna put top secret on it. Then in Janes or National Interest will be an article with candid pics. Then Russian press will repost it and et voila. We'll see lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  Hole on Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:09 pm

    This guy from Zvezda will be seen sniffing around the airfield.
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:40 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Okhotnik will apparently take off  for the first time in September. It wont be a fully fledged flight but rather short jumps... first flight 2019

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5482044

    Maybe we can see it at least during these tests?

    we will in a traditional to Russian media way: first army's  gonna put top secret on it. Then in Janes or National Interest will be an article with candid pics.  Then Russian press will repost it and et voila. We'll see lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Better to have the fundaments right that only caring about PR, this is how I comfort myself with the way they deal with the media Very Happy

    BTW, apparently Orion has got the first international customer, some mysterious country in ME... thumbsup
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:41 am

    LMFS wrote:
    Better to have the fundaments right that only caring about PR, this is how I comfort myself with the way they deal with the media Very Happy

    BTW, apparently Orion has got the first international customer, some mysterious country in ME... thumbsup

    Unless Algeria is in ME then right to me its in North Africa Razz Razz Razz
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    Post  LMFS on Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:34 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Unless Algeria is in ME then right to me its in North Africa  Razz Razz Razz

    Is it officially Algeria? ME is what I read, maybe they are getting weak in geography
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:49 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Unless Algeria is in ME then right to me its in North Africa  Razz Razz Razz

    Is it officially Algeria? ME is what I read, maybe they are getting weak in geography

    Crude is expensive... relations are good. Pantsir, su-35 or subs are already sold. And ME for most means arabic countries. And as you kniw Algeria si Arabic country lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:59 pm

    Anchar - RV - hyperosnic "flying apparatus"  I wasn't sure where to place this post .


    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2018/08/25/11924041.shtml?updated

    Another state contract agency signed with the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering (MIT). In accordance with it,

    MIT undertakes to carry out development work (R & D) "Investigations to ensure the creation of a hypersonic aircraft with a long range of action."

    The only thing that is known at the moment about the development of a new project - OCD received the code "Anchar-RV". The creation of a hypersonic aircraft is scheduled for this year. The deadline for completion of work on Anchar-RV was not specified. According to the information available at the moment, the project has already moved from the theoretical stage to development work. It is reported that the cost of the contract is 1.374 billion rubles.

    It remains unclear whether this will be an airplane or a missile, but the MIT is known for its development of solid-fuel missiles, including the Bulava sea-launched ballistic missile for submarine missile carriers.



    Oh well do you recall,then of course immediate  dementi...

    Russia is developing a space bomber


    The Russian Federation is developing a hypersonic strategic bomber capable of delivering nuclear strikes from space, said Lieutenant Colonel Aleksei Solodovnikov, a teacher at the branch of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces.
    https://news.sputnik.ru/obschestvo/a076444893f2669ff96da502f40a84a9425fee59



    r perhaps it is Ajax reborn?
    Mind that in Russian Ajaks was called ... a hypersonic flying apparatus. "Аякс", гиперзвуковой летательный аппарат (ГЛА)  thumbsup  thumbsup  thumbsup

    It had to have up to 14,600km range, 36km ceiling and  4,600 m/s top speed.




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    n 1990, two articles by defense specialist and writer Nikolai Novichkov give more details about the Ayaks program. The second is the first document available in English.[5][6]

    Shortly after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, fundings were cut and the Ayaks program had to evolve, especially as the US government announced the National Aero-Space Plane (NASP) program. At that time, Fraĭshtadt becomes director of the OKB-794 Design Bureau, publicly known as Leninetz, a holding company running the open joint-stock company State Hypersonic Systems Research Institute (HSRI) (Russian: НИПГС pr: "NIPGS") in Saint Petersburg.

    Early 1993, as an answer to the American announcement of the X-30 NASP demonstrator, the Ayaks project integrates into the wider national ORYOL (Russian: Орёл pr: "Or'yol", Eagle) program, federating all Russian hypersonic works to design a competing spaceplane as a reusable launch system.

    In September 1993, the program is unveiled and a first small-scale model of Ayaks is publicly shown for the first time on the Leninetz booth at the 2nd MAKS Air Show in Moscow.

    In 1994, Novichkov reveals the Russian Federation is ready to fund the Ayaks program for height years and that a reusable small-scale flight test module has been built by Arsenal Design Bureau. He also states that Ayaks working principles have been validated with an engine test stand in a wind tunnel. The same year, the American NASP project is cancelled, replaced by the Hypersonic Systems Technology Program (HySTP) cancelled as well after three months. In 1995, NASA launches the Advanced Reusable Transportation Technologies (ARTT) program, part of the Highly Reusable Space Transportation (HRST) initiative, but experts from consulting firm ANSER evaluating Ayaks technologies does not believe at first in the performances announced by the Russian and do not recommend to follow the same path.

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    As the information available out of Russia start to grow, three western academic researchers start to collect the sparse data about Ayaks: Claudio Bruno, professor at the Sapienza University of Rome; Paul A. Czysz, professor at the Parks College of Engineering, Aviation and Technology in Saint Louis University, Missouri; and S. N. B. Murthy, professor at the Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana. In September 1996, as part of the Capstone Design Course and the Hypersonic Aero-Propulsion Integration Course at Parks College, Czysz assigns his students to analyze the information gathered, as the ODYSSEUS project.[11] Thereafter the three researchers copublish a conference paper summarizing the Western analysis of Ayaks principles.[12]

    With such information, long-time ANSER main expert Ramon L. Chase reviews his former position and assembles a team to evaluate and develop American versions of Ayaks technologies within the HRST program, recruiting H. David Froning Jr., CEO of Flight Unlimited; Leon E. McKinney, world expert in fluid dynamics; Paul A. Czysz; Mark J. Lewis, aerodynamicist at the University of Maryland, College Park, specialist of waveriders and airflows around leading edges and director of the NASA-sponsored Maryland Center for Hypersonic Education and Research; Dr. Robert Boyd of Lockheed Martin Skunk Works able to build real working prototypes with allocated budgets from black projects, whose contractor General Atomics is a world leader in superconducting magnets (that Ayaks uses); and Dr. Daniel Swallow from Textron Systems, one of the few firms that still possess valuable knowledge in magnetohydrodynamic converters, which Ayaks extensively uses.[13][14]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaks

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    Post  ult on Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:15 pm

    Altair.













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    Post  Nibiru on Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:41 pm

    Altair.

    is this an alternate name for Altius or is a completely different uav?

    also I couldn't find the video on TV Zvezda's youtube channel, wish they will upload it soon
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:41 am

    Russian hypersonic flying vehicle undergoes ground tests


    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5535946

    GELENDZHIK / Krasnodar Territory /, September 7. / TASS /. The development of the Russian hypersonic aircraft is at the stage of manufacturing prototypes and conducting ground tests, TASS said on the sidelines of "Hydroaviation-2018" first deputy general director - deputy for research and development of the Corporation "Tactical Missile Arms" Vladimir Yarmolyuk.

    "[At the stage of developing prototypes, conducting ground tests, we are not lagging behind our potential partners," Yarmolyuk said, answering the question about the stage at which this device is being developed.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:47 am

    Nibiru wrote:
    Altair.

    is this an alternate name for Altius or is a completely different uav?

    also I couldn't find the video on TV Zvezda's youtube channel, wish they will upload it soon


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    Post  ult on Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:19 am

    Nibiru wrote:
    Altair.

    is this an alternate name for Altius or is a completely different uav?

    also I couldn't find the video on TV Zvezda's youtube channel, wish they will upload it soon

    Altius-M is the name of the Scientific Research Program (Научно-исследовательская работа (НИР)). Altair is the name of the UAV that emerged as a result of that effort.
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:08 am


    Source: RAC "MiG" has resumed work on the drone drone "Scat"


    It is reported that the design of the UAV will use the technology "stealth"

    "The company has resumed work on the" Scat ". An experimental model of this jet UAV is planned to be created in the next few years," the source said. He clarified that "the Russian military department was interested in this apparatus."

    The previously presented "Scat" model was made according to the aerodynamic scheme "flying wing" [does not have a tail unit]. It was planned that the maximum take-off mass of the device would be 10 tons, speed - 850 km / h, the range of flight - 4 thousand km. The UAV was supposed to carry both missile and bomb weapons in the interior of the cabin.

    More:
    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5547736
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:30 am

    Too late Mikoyan. You are way too far behind. Others in Russia are developing it already while you sat and waited.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:01 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Too late Mikoyan. You are way too far behind. Others in Russia are developing it already while you sat and waited.

    ekhm so who already has stealth attack high-subsonic drone yet?
    BTW with no funding what would you do on their place?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:05 am

    Well, apparently someone is already making it. As mentioned earlier. Or it may not be stealth. But still, just started work?

    If I was in their place, I wouldn't have made MiG-35, that's for sure. I would have moved onto a LO fifth gen design instead. They tried to go for the Su-35 line but years later...
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    Post  Isos on Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:27 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Well, apparently someone is already making it. As mentioned earlier. Or it may not be stealth. But still, just started work?

    If I was in their place, I wouldn't have made MiG-35, that's for sure. I would have moved onto a LO fifth gen design instead. They tried to go for the Su-35 line but years later...

    They are late for sure. Mig-35 had to start flying in 2000 wwith rafales, typhoons ... not when everyone is buying su-57, f-35, j-20 or producing their own 4th gen fighters like south korea, japan or turkey.

    Maybe in 20 years they will show a mig-35 with weapons bay, if mig still exists.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:21 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Well, apparently someone is already making it. As mentioned earlier. Or it may not be stealth. But still, just started work?

    If I was in their place, I wouldn't have made MiG-35, that's for sure. I would have moved onto a LO fifth gen design instead. They tried to go for the Su-35 line but years later...

    You can make anything but who will buy it first? They didnt waste time. With limited resources they not only retained skills but also developed new tech. Forany new programmeyou need billions $. And a clinet Smile


    And who says that they wont work on any new fighter? (like VSTOL for navy)?



    Isos wrote:
    They are late for sure. Mig-35 had to start flying in 2000 wwith rafales, typhoons ... not when everyone is buying su-57, f-35, j-20 or producing their own 4th gen fighters like south korea, japan or turkey.

    Maybe in 20 years they will show a mig-35 with weapons bay, if mig still exists.

    Technically MiG is part of OAK so yes they will exist. In 2000 Russia had bigger problems then supporting MiG. No with re-surge of economy you can do just better and and more advanced.



    BTW drones similar to SKAT. NONE on market yet. And years to come to me also not.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:42 am

    Too late Mikoyan. You are way too far behind. Others in Russia are developing it already while you sat and waited.

    The prototype they showed was incredibly detailed from memory... including the bomb bay...

    I would suggest they had already done a lot of work on the project and just wanted funding for flight testing some prototypes...

    To me the drone actually looked like a very good programme... two internal positions for bombs... it is basically a smaller cheaper unmanned F-117 with more advanced shaping. (ie curves instead of facets).

    BTW with no funding what would you do on their place?

    Exactly... you can design anything you like but if your main customer doesn't want it then you display it to the public to get funding from another customer... clearly no one else wanted it either... or were not allowed to.

    If I was in their place, I wouldn't have made MiG-35, that's for sure. I would have moved onto a LO fifth gen design instead. They tried to go for the Su-35 line but years later...

    The MiG-35 contains 5th gen avionics and systems... just like most of the stuff in the Su-35 was stuff being developed for the Su-57, so work on the MiG-35 keeps them up to date and actually making stuff that they are selling to the Russian AF and other customers too.

    They might decide that a light 5th gen fighter is not needed, and just have a heavy 5th gen fighter and heavy and light 4++ gen fighters... (ie Su-57, Su-35, MiG-35 respectively).

    The US Navy has gone all nukes with submarines, the US AF seems to be going all stealth fighter... doesn't mean they are right... certainly the most expensive option, but no surprise there.

    And who says that they wont work on any new fighter? (like VSTOL for navy)?

    There is no reason they can't work on MiG-35s, Scat drones, a new 5th gen light fighter (STOVL or whatever), and the MiG-41, and probably a few other projects too.

    BTW drones similar to SKAT. NONE on market yet. And years to come to me also not.

    2,000km flight radius, internal bomb bay for two large weapons (I seem to remember it was shown with Kh-31s in it) and high subsonic flight speed... what is not to like?

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    Post  Hole on Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:46 am

    and it fits in size between the Okhotnik (20 tons) and some light drone (1 ton) that is in development.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:20 pm

    Source: drone drones "Hunter" will be the prototype of a fighter of the 6th generation



    The interlocutor of the agency specified that the aircraft could independently "take off, complete the mission and return to the airfield"

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5389366


    MOSCOW, July 20. / TASS /. The newest Russian unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) "Hunter" will be the prototype of a fighter of the 6th generation, a source in the defense industrial complex told Tass.

    According to him, the signs of a fighter of the 6th generation "are not completely formed, but you can identify the main features." "First of all, this is the lack of a pilot and the ability to autonomously perform any combat tasks.In this part - artificial intelligence and autonomy -" Hunter "will be the prototype of a fighter of the 6th generation," the source said.

    The source specified that the "Hunter" will be able to completely independently "take off, complete the mission and return to the airfield." "The only thing: he will not yet receive the function of making a decision on the use of weapons - it remains for the person," the interlocutor explained.

    TASS does not have an official confirmation of the information provided by the source.

    "Hunter"
    As another source in the defense industry told TASS earlier, the creation of the first prototype of the Hunter UAV at the Novosibirsk plant of the Sukhoi company has been completely completed, and its test flights will begin by the end of the year. According to open data, "Hunter" is made with the use of technology "stealth", has an aerodynamic scheme "flying wing" (no tail unit), the take-off mass of the device reaches 20 tons. According to unconfirmed information, UAV has a jet engine and can develop a speed of about 1000 km / h.

    The contract for the development of the "Hunter" was signed between the military department and the company "Sukhoi" in 2011. The first model of the UAV for conducting ground tests was created in 2014.

    About the beginning of work in Russia on a combat aircraft of the 6th generation was announced in March 2016. To the characteristic features of such an aircraft, Russian specialists attribute optional maneuverability - in the basic version the car will be unmanned. The absence of a pilot will allow the aircraft to reach a new level of maneuverability (less will be limited by overloading in flight). It is believed that the fighter can use weapons on new physical principles, get hypersonic speed, the ability to go into near space, radio-optical radar.

    Foreign criteria
    Actually, the conceptual development of a fighter of the 6th generation is being carried out in the USA. Among the characteristics of the aircraft in various American projects are a new level of declining visibility, the possibility of using laser and microwave weapons, further increasing the capabilities of on-board radio electronic equipment, increased range and speed of flight, etc. The unmanned version of the new fighter in the US is not considered a priority, however, an optional unmanned aircraft is not excluded.

    Now in the world there are fighters of the 5th generation, including in Russia - Su-57, in t
    he USA - F-22. Their distinctive features were technologies to reduce visibility in various bands (stealth), super-cruising cruising speed, multifunctionality, the latest on-board equipment.


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    Post  dino00 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:37 pm

    More a development concept than a prototype.

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