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    Post  dino00 on Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:24 pm

    Source: Hunter's UAV systems are tested on Su-57

    This is due to the delayed flight tests of the apparatus, the source said.

    MOSCOW, January 29. / TASS /. The systems of the newest Russian heavy assault unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) “Hunter” are being tested on board the 5th generation fighter Su-57 due to the delayed flight tests of the device itself. This was announced on Wednesday TASS source in the military-industrial complex.

    “On the third prototype of the Su-57, Okhotnik’s onboard radio-electronic systems are installed, they are tested in flight on this fighter. The UAV does not fly, its first flight dates have been shifted since last year,” the agency’s source said. He explained that "the testing of the UAV systems on the Su-57, in the absence of flight tests of the apparatus itself, allows not stopping work on other components of the Okhotnik design work.

    The source noted that the tests are carried out at the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant "Sukhoi". "The onboard - onboard communication between the onboard radio electronic equipment (avionics) of the Hunter on the Su-57 in flight and the equipment of the Hunter itself on the plant strip) is also being tested. - said the source. He did not specify the dates for the start of flight tests of the Hunter.

    The United Aircraft Corporation did not comment on the TASS information provided by the source.

    Earlier in the network appeared photos of the “Hunter” on the runway, as well as pictures of the third prototype of the Su-57 with a pictogram printed on the keel, depicting the latest drone.

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    Post  ATLASCUB on Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:39 pm

    Some clarification.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:07 am


    This made me laugh....

    "Grenade!!!!!!!!"

    Others do the same thing. So a small drone to drop on units gathered, isn't that bad of an idea. But I don't see much need for it.

    I can see comments are just retarded people, not knowing that all these drones are from different companies.

    Lets be honest... if it was an american idea the munitions it drops would be custom designed precision made with an expensive fuse for airburst at specific altitudes.

    The system would be enormously expensive... and would need to be kept in a tent when it gets cold.

    This is due to the delayed flight tests of the apparatus, the source said.

    Interesting... does this mean the systems on the drone are similar to the systems on the Su-57 so it made sense to use the Su-57 for testing... because I could think of a lot of other flying platforms that would be cheaper to use and have more airframes free for testing than the Su-57...
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:42 am

    Carnivora UAV
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    Post  Hole on Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:15 am

    This drone is like a RPK dispenser than can land and be re-loaded.

    Interesting launch method.

    Interesting... does this mean the systems on the drone are similar to the systems on the Su-57 so it made sense to use the Su-57 for testing... because I could think of a lot of other flying platforms that would be cheaper to use and have more airframes free for testing than the Su-57...

    I guess they use the autopilot of the Su-57 to program the autopilot of the Okhotnik.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:58 pm

    Shame the video only shows the use of the hand grenades and not the anti armour or anti personel munitions.

    The hand grenades have 4-5 second fuses so would need to be dropped from very specific altitudes and flight speeds... with Betab munitions they could be dropped from almost any height.

    The capture of an enemy drone is interesting... clever idea in that it limits collateral damage even if the target drone is armed... wrapped in a net it will be unable to launch or release weapons effectively.

    I guess they use the autopilot of the Su-57 to program the autopilot of the Okhotnik.

    What I don't understand is that there are plenty of other aircraft that could easily be stuffed with anything they might want to put in the drone... an An-12 cargo plane for instance... or even something lighter... there are hundreds of An-2s around the place they could pack stuff into and operate cheaply... so why use the Su-57 airframe?

    Do they need a stealthy airframe for some of the tests... it is the only thing I can think of...
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    Post  Hole on Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:48 pm

    The Su-57 has a very flexible autopilot. It can simulate the flying habits of other planes. Or drones. The Su-57 will fly all the maneuvers the Okhotnik sould be able to fly, saves the data and then the autopilot of the drone is programed accordingly. This proceeding will save a lot of time and money.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:34 pm

    dino00 wrote:Carnivora UAV

    That's a nice promo. Would have been great with a Lockheed Martin marketing voiceover. I'm pretty sure they can fit quite a bit of marketing buzzwords in there... like Garry alluded to.
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    Post  zg18 on Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:35 am

    Okhotnik-B sideview

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    Post  xeno on Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:57 am

    I almost cry for such a beauty with such a ugly engine.
    I beg you Russian to install a Type 30 without afterburner on it....
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:57 am

    It's a prototype

    I think most here bitched and moaned about Su-57 prior to type 30 prototype
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:27 am

    This drone is like a RPK dispenser than can land and be re-loaded.

    That would be the KGMU-2 pod... looks like a cluster bomb but is not dropped... it releases its cluster munitions but stays attached to the aircraft and gets reloaded and reused... you just fill it up with the submunitions you want and you are ready to go.

    I seem to remember the Tornado having two optional systems that were similar... one fired munitions out sideways and the other launched them straight down...
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    Post  marcellogo on Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:15 am

    GarryB wrote:
    This drone is like a RPK dispenser than can land and be re-loaded.

    That would be the KGMU-2 pod... looks like a cluster bomb but is not dropped... it releases its cluster munitions but stays attached to the aircraft and gets reloaded and reused... you just fill it up with the submunitions you want and you are ready to go.

    I seem to remember the Tornado having two optional systems that were similar... one fired munitions out sideways and the other launched them straight down...

    Yes, German MW-1 (used by Italians also) and British JP-233 (used by Saudi also) they were discontinued both for legal (ottawa treaty) than operative reasons (passing over an enemy airport to deliver them was deemed too risky).
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:46 am

    The Su-57 has a very flexible autopilot. It can simulate the flying habits of other planes. Or drones. The Su-57 will fly all the maneuvers the Okhotnik sould be able to fly, saves the data and then the autopilot of the drone is programed accordingly. This proceeding will save a lot of time and money.

    The Yak-130 also has a very flexible autopilot that can simulate the flying habits of other planes or drones... the thing is that there are not that many Su-57s available and there are probably Su-57 things that need testing too... there are plenty of other aircraft... I mentioned the An-12 because there would be plenty of space for all the electronics from the drone as well as measuring equipment to record results and there are plenty of An-12s, but you could use any of a range of aircraft types... don't confuse a flying wing with a dogfighting 5th gen fighter plane... this UCAV wont be turning and burning with anything... it is a sensor platform with some weapons... it wont be dodging missiles or chasing enemy F-35s around the place.

    Yes, German MW-1 (used by Italians also) and British JP-233 (used by Saudi also) they were discontinued both for legal (ottawa treaty) than operative reasons (passing over an enemy airport to deliver them was deemed too risky).

    Some of the few aircraft the allies lost were Tornados attacking airfields because to hit them the had to fly down the length of the runway dropping munitions to damage the runway... the Russians had the same experience in Georgia 2008 when a Tu-22M3 was shot down while attacking an airfield...

    Of course a UAV is not going to be any safer, but a small cheap simple UAV with perhaps four KGMU-2s under its wings could do the job...

    It is a type of recycling really... reusable cluster bombs...
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    Post  Austin on Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:32 am

    Some kind of High Res photo of Hunter UCAV , Front and Side view 

    https://a.radikal.ru/a09/1901/03/829206529cf6.png
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    Post  marcellogo on Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:47 am

    zg18 wrote:Okhotnik-B sideview


    Apart from the more or less ugliness of the thing, what's is IMHO more impressive is how compact its body is, even with a disproportionate engine, it is practically just an inverted Flanker nacelle plus a small protuberance for the front wheel and a little electronic (radar) compartment.
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    Post  Hole on Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:51 am

    An short article on Sputnik mentioned the possibility of using the Okhotnik as guards for the PAK-DA.
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    Post  Austin on Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:14 am

    The image of the first hypersonic space drone in Russia has appeared

    https://ria.ru/20190204/1550328563.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop







    MOSCOW, February 4 - RIA News . RIA Novosti has at its disposal an image of a model of the first in Russia reusable aircraft designed for flying in the atmosphere and space at hypersonic speeds.
    The photo shows a single-engine UAV, which is a prototype of a promising reusable aircraft. The second image, also available to RIA Novosti, shows the scheme of launching this unit into orbit and its return to earth using parachutes.
    Earlier in the Skolkovo Foundation, RIA Novosti reported that the reusable flight demonstrator developed by ISON in the interests of Roskosmos is equipped with its own propulsion system to disperse to the required speeds and uses an aircraft carrier at the initial stage of flight. This makes it reusable and makes it possible to repeat the tests and improve the quality of preliminary flight testing.

    According to the agency, General Director of JSC "ISON" Yuri Bakhvalov, for the production of this aircraft will be used only serial components manufactured in Russia, and the engine will receive a UAV from the upper stage "Briz-M" - 14D30. The interviewee said that the use of the device for percussion purposes is not planned. And answering the question of whether this UAV will be offered for export, he noted that "today experiments are planned in the interests of foreign customers."

    "In 2023, it is planned to conduct five flight tests of a prototype using an aircraft carrier, which will be M-55 Geofizika," said Bakhvalov, speaking about the timing of this project.It is assumed that the device will be able to fly at altitudes of up to 160 kilometers at speeds of 7 max or bring the spacecraft into orbit up to 500 kilometers. Each such hypersonic device is designed for at least 50 flights.

    At the development stage from 2015 to 2017, the project attracted 25 million rubles from a private investor of the Project Technika Corporation, and received a grant from the Skolkovo Foundation in the amount of 30 million rubles. At the moment, there is an active preparation for the implementation of the second stage of work, the cost of which will be 280 million rubles. In addition to the grant from the Skolkovo Foundation, which may amount to 120 million rubles, the company plans to attract co-investors in the amount of 160 million rubles. Currently, there is a private co-investor with a financing volume of 80 million rubles.

    In the framework of the project, in 2017–2018 a program of aerodynamic tests was developed, an aerodynamic model was made, which was tested in wind tunnels at speeds of up to 4 max. In addition to the Roscosmos license, an international quality management system certificate was received for the development and creation of rocket and space technology.


    It is assumed that during the implementation of the second stage of testing (2019-2021), technical documentation for the aircraft, ground complex and mock-ups for testing will be developed, production prepared, a layout made and dynamic tests carried out. The third stage (2021-2023) will include the manufacture of mock-ups and testing with them, the preparation of the flight base and the carrier aircraft, the manufacture of a standard aircraft and the conduct of five flight tests using the carrier aircraft.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:50 am

    Hole wrote:An short article on Sputnik mentioned the possibility of using the Okhotnik as guards for the PAK-DA.

    then they can carry EM guns but need long range radar too. Ultimately they might take AAM destined for PAK-DA




    Austin wrote:The image of the first hypersonic space drone in Russia has appeared

    cool but this doesn't look like suborbital bomber, which Bondryev was talking back in 2017





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    Apart from the more or less ugliness of the thing
    +++

    and a little electronic (radar) compartment.

    c'mon it is cute drone lol1 lol1 lol1

    As for radar comportment. Su-57 has radar "all over the fuselage" so Okhotnik can have too, not necessarily small in terms of capabilities.
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:48 pm

    Source: on the Russian drone "Orion" tested weapons in 2018

    TASS interviewer did not specify what brand of ammunition in question

    MOSCOW, February 5. / TASS /. On the Russian unmanned aerial vehicle of the long duration of the Orion flight, developed by the Kronstadt group, the armament was tested in 2018. This was announced on Tuesday by a TASS source in the military-industrial complex

    "With the UAV, the Orion bombs were used for testing. This happened last year," the agency’s source said. He did not specify what brand of ammunition in question. The interlocutor added that Orion was also tested in Syria, but without armament, but as an intelligence apparatus.

    In the Kronstadt group, TASS did not comment on the information provided by the source.

    In 2017, at the military-technical forum "Army-2017", OKB Aviaavtomatika LLC presented a line of aircraft weapons for UAVs from three types of ammunition weighing 25-50 kg. The family of ammunition is built on a modular principle with a single constructive base. The developer’s stated launch range is up to 100 km. At the same time, it was reported that ammunition participated in tests on one of the "large" domestic UAVs.

    Already at the Army-2018 forum, the Kronstadt group also demonstrated the Orion control unit for weapons and a prototype of its own design of mass up to 50 kg.

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    Post  dino00 on Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:23 pm

    Austin wrote:The image of the first hypersonic space drone in Russia has appeared

    https://ria.ru/20190204/1550328563.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop







    MOSCOW, February 4 - RIA News . RIA Novosti has at its disposal an image of a model of the first in Russia reusable aircraft designed for flying in the atmosphere and space at hypersonic speeds.
    The photo shows a single-engine UAV, which is a prototype of a promising reusable aircraft. The second image, also available to RIA Novosti, shows the scheme of launching this unit into orbit and its return to earth using parachutes.
    Earlier in the Skolkovo Foundation, RIA Novosti reported that the reusable flight demonstrator developed by ISON in the interests of Roskosmos is equipped with its own propulsion system to disperse to the required speeds and uses an aircraft carrier at the initial stage of flight. This makes it reusable and makes it possible to repeat the tests and improve the quality of preliminary flight testing.

    According to the agency, General Director of JSC "ISON" Yuri Bakhvalov, for the production of this aircraft will be used only serial components manufactured in Russia, and the engine will receive a UAV from the upper stage "Briz-M" - 14D30. The interviewee said that the use of the device for percussion purposes is not planned. And answering the question of whether this UAV will be offered for export, he noted that "today experiments are planned in the interests of foreign customers."

    "In 2023, it is planned to conduct five flight tests of a prototype using an aircraft carrier, which will be M-55 Geofizika," said Bakhvalov, speaking about the timing of this project.It is assumed that the device will be able to fly at altitudes of up to 160 kilometers at speeds of 7 max or bring the spacecraft into orbit up to 500 kilometers. Each such hypersonic device is designed for at least 50 flights.

    At the development stage from 2015 to 2017, the project attracted 25 million rubles from a private investor of the Project Technika Corporation, and received a grant from the Skolkovo Foundation in the amount of 30 million rubles. At the moment, there is an active preparation for the implementation of the second stage of work, the cost of which will be 280 million rubles. In addition to the grant from the Skolkovo Foundation, which may amount to 120 million rubles, the company plans to attract co-investors in the amount of 160 million rubles. Currently, there is a private co-investor with a financing volume of 80 million rubles.

    In the framework of the project, in 2017–2018 a program of aerodynamic tests was developed, an aerodynamic model was made, which was tested in wind tunnels at speeds of up to 4 max. In addition to the Roscosmos license, an international quality management system certificate was received for the development and creation of rocket and space technology.


    It is assumed that during the implementation of the second stage of testing (2019-2021), technical documentation for the aircraft, ground complex and mock-ups for testing will be developed, production prepared, a layout made and dynamic tests carried out. The third stage (2021-2023) will include the manufacture of mock-ups and testing with them, the preparation of the flight base and the carrier aircraft, the manufacture of a standard aircraft and the conduct of five flight tests using the carrier aircraft.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:47 am

    via Paralay/Air Cosmos/Pitor Butowski





    Can some one who understands French translate key points in English , Thanks
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    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:01 am

    Supersonic drone but used mainly to escape threats for short distances thanks to afterburners. 5000km autonomy so 2500 km max range.

    Mig and yak also worked on drones but they didn't produce them.

    Sukhoi working on that because they finished su-57.

    Can carry same load of weapon as su-57 since it has the same weapon bays so 4 kh-58/38 or guided bombs. It also shares lot of tech from it like its landing gear that should be however be lighter.

    Big bird of 25 tonnes take off weight.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:01 am

    OPen this page:

    https://translate.yandex.com/

    And across the top click on the word "image" (ie Text Site Image)

    And then upload your images by clicking select file and choosing an image.

    It will load it and then run optical character recognition software over it and then choose French and English as your options or what ever you want to translate to or from and then click on the text in the image and it will automatically translate it for you.
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:31 am

    Thanks Austin!
    Supersonic, and 4 kh-58, would be great.
    Good link Garry thanks!

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