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    Post  George1 Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:24 am

    Shipbuilding Company "RosPromResurs" in a press release dated April 21, 2016 reported that "has produced the first unit Enclosure naval artillery installation A190-01 of plastic composite materials.

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    Post  George1 Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:33 pm

    Russian Navy to receive advanced Futlyar torpedoes

    The new torpedoes will equip the Project 955A Borey-A (NATO reporting name: Dolgorukiy-class), Project 885 Yasen-class (Severodvinsk-class) and Project 885M Yasen-M in the first place

    MOSCOW, June 22. /TASS/. The Russian Navy is expected to adopt for service the advanced Futlyar deep-water torpedo that is undergoing its state trials now, a source in the defense industry told TASS on Wednesday.

    According to the source, the Futlyar is an upgraded variant of the Fizik homing torpedo that has entered service recently.

    "The new variant of the torpedo is undergoing state trials at Lake Issyk-Kul in Kyrgyzstan, which are due for completion later in the year. If the torpedo passes the tests, it will enter service and its full-scale production should begin in 2017," the source said.

    According to the source, the sophisticated torpedo will be of heat-seeking design like the baseline model but it will have the ability to be controlled from the submarine.

    "The Futlyar will also be supplied with an improved homing system with an extended underwater target lock-on range. It will retain the baseline model’s range, speed and maximum launch depth - 50 km, over 50 knots and 400 m respectively," the source said.

    The source said that the Futlyar would equip the Project 955A Borey-A (NATO reporting name: Dolgorukiy-class), Project 885 Yasen-class (Severodvinsk-class) and Project 885M Yasen-M in the first place. With the beginning of the Futlyar’s serial production, the output of the Fizik torpedo will be discontinued.

    The Futlyar has been developed by the St. Petersburg Research Institute of Marine Engineering and the Dagdizel Enterprise will handle its production.

    An official confirmation of the above information is unavailable to TASS at the moment.

    In April last year, another source in the defense industry told TASS about the service entry and the launch of the production of the Fizik torpedo designed to replace the obsolete USET-80 developed in the 1980s.


    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/defense/883900
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    Post  max steel Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:14 pm

    Bubble-Enclosed Submarines Could Go Really, Really Fast

    Supercavitation promises airplane speeds--under the sea.

    Researchers at Penn State are working to enclose the submarines of the future in a bubble of gas, allowing them to achieve top speeds faster than what is possible while moving through regular water. If successful, it could mean submarines capable of speeds of up to hundreds of miles per hour.

    As submarines and torpedoes travel through seawater they are naturally at the mercy of physics, and objects traveling through sea travel encounter much more drag than objects traveling through air. The end result is that the practical speed limit of submarines is somewhere around 30 to 40 knots. Even with nuclear propulsion, that's about the best many military submarines can do.

    But what if it were possible to enclose a submarine in a gas as it travels through liquid? That's the principle behind supercavitation.

    There is a precedent: the Russian VA-111 Shkval torpedo. Developed in the 1970s, Shkval is equipped with a bubble generator in the nose that envelops the torpedo in a gas membrane while a solid rocket fuel engine provides thrust. The Shkval is capable of speeds in excess of 200 knots—up to five times faster than conventional torpedoes.

    Scientists at Penn State are currently trying to understand so-called "pulsation"—the continuous cycle of shrinkage and expansion of a gas bubble around an object that occurs during supercavitation. Pulsation creates an inconsistent bubble unsuitable for travel, but before they can tame pulsation, the scientists need to understand how it works. Pulsation is difficult to create under laboratory conditions, but researchers at Penn State have managed to pull it off.

    Supercavitating submarines wouldn't be perfect. Ultimately submarines are stealthy killers, relying on their ability to remain undetected. Maintaining a giant gas bubble would be very noisy, making the submarine easy to locate. A compromise might be a submarine that can sprint from its base at, say San Diego by supercavitation, and then switch to slow-and-stealthy mode once it gets to a patrol zone in the western Pacific.

    Another thing about supercavitating submarines: if they, like Shkval, used rocket motors for thrust the subs would generate tremendous amounts of pollution, dumping rocket exhaust directly into the oceans. Not the most eco-friendly propulsion system, but seriously impressive if it can be made to work.
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    Post  George1 Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:40 am

    All new Russian Navy ships and submarines will be equipped with the Fizik-1 universal deep water homing torpedo which has a target range 2.5 times greater than the USET-80, currently in service, a military source told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160629/1042168265/torpedo-ships-submarines.html

    so this is the new standard torpedo of Russian Navy?
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    Post  chicken Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:50 am

    George1 wrote:
    All new Russian Navy ships and submarines will be equipped with the Fizik-1 universal deep water homing torpedo which has a target range 2.5 times greater than the USET-80, currently in service, a military source told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160629/1042168265/torpedo-ships-submarines.html

    so this is the new standard torpedo of Russian Navy?

    I believe they already upgraded that.
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    Post  Isos Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:00 pm

    http://concern-agat.ru/en/production/missile-systems-land-and-sea-based-missile-systems/3r-14uksk-kh-ship-general-purpose-firing-system



    Just found that their are 2 types of uksk lunchers. One with 8 missiles and one with just 4 missiles wich is smaller.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:56 pm

    I have seen models where if you look under the deck a UKSK launcher is two huge tubes with 4 inner tubes, so one bin launcher has two big huge tubes that contain two lots of 4 tubes equalling 8 small tubes in total for the missiles for naval vessels.

    I suspect the single large tube model with just 4 small tubes is for the shipping container version and might have a land based model like Iskander eventually when the INF treaty is torn up... Smile

    For use on ships its great depth because of the length of the missiles the system carries means the launcher needs to be centrally placed... so I doubt they would fit only 4 tubes on ships or subs... might as well have all 8 tubes...

    Thanks for the link to that site though... Smile
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:05 pm

    Actually looking at that site...

    this page:

    http://concern-agat.ru/en/production/missile-systems-land-and-sea-based-missile-systems/club-u-modular-missile-system

    Shows Club... which is the family of missiles in the UKSK launcher so this page shows it refitted onto an existing type... in this case a Udaloy class with mockups of inclined launchers and new under deck systems and systems mounted at the mid section... this suggests such inclined mounts could be used on the Slava and Sovremmeny class as well as Udaloy.

    the inclined launcher seems to have 6 missiles ready to launch so fitting that to a Slava class means instead of 16 heavy missiles in 8 sets of twin launchers it should be able to carry 8 sets of 6 missiles, so 48 missiles...

    So that is the Club land attack (ie Kalibr) plus the Club subsonic anti ship missile and the Club subsonic anti ship missile with the rocket propelled mach 3 terminal stage anti ship missile...
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    Post  chinggis Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:08 pm

    What is status of 650mm torpedo's in Russian Navy? After Kursk disaster there is a rumor that they will be put out of service and after that I am not hear nothing about that.
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    Post  Isos Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:24 pm

    GarryB wrote:Actually looking at that site...

    this page:

    http://concern-agat.ru/en/production/missile-systems-land-and-sea-based-missile-systems/club-u-modular-missile-system

    Shows Club... which is the family of missiles in the UKSK launcher so this page shows it refitted onto an existing type... in this case a Udaloy class with mockups of inclined launchers and new under deck systems and systems mounted at the mid section... this suggests such inclined mounts could be used on the Slava and Sovremmeny class as well as Udaloy.

    the inclined launcher seems to have 6 missiles ready to launch so fitting that to a Slava class means instead of 16 heavy missiles in 8 sets of twin launchers it should be able to carry 8 sets of 6 missiles, so 48 missiles...

    So that is the Club land attack (ie Kalibr) plus the Club subsonic anti ship missile and the Club subsonic anti ship missile with the rocket propelled mach 3 terminal stage anti ship missile...

    Well if they decide to do that, it would give them a realy big power up, I mean just puting the inclined lunchers. Their Moskit have a small range for a destroyer. They could assist Slava's and Kirovs with the same missiles.

    Hope they will do that, They just need to change the external lunchers, wires and computers. Its not a big job to do that, they could do it easily.

    GarryB wrote:I have seen models where if you look under the deck a UKSK launcher is two huge tubes with 4 inner tubes, so one bin launcher has two big huge tubes that contain two lots of 4 tubes equalling 8 small tubes in total for the missiles for naval vessels.

    I suspect the single large tube model with just 4 small tubes is for the shipping container version and might have a land based model like Iskander eventually when the INF treaty is torn up... Smile

    For use on ships its great depth because of the length of the missiles the system carries means the launcher needs to be centrally placed... so I doubt they would fit only 4 tubes on ships or subs... might as well have all 8 tubes...

    Thanks for the link to that site though... Smile

    Or put some missiles on Navy's tankers Twisted Evil
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:31 pm

    chinggis wrote:What is status of 650mm torpedo's in Russian Navy? After Kursk disaster there is a rumor that they will be put out of service and after that I am not hear nothing about  that.

    The Yasen class SSN is reckoned to carry 650mm tubes, so I'd suggest that those reports are inaccurate.
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    Post  TheArmenian Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:53 pm

    Very interesting video

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:51 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Very interesting video


    Yes, very interesting. I suspect the footage of hits against the target ship are likely to be Soviet-era footage? The first looked to be a Bazalt P-500 class weapon, but the later hits where clearly a slower winged missile, and I suspect these may have been a Metel/SS-N-14 Silex in AShM mode?

    Its a pity the P-500 strike wasn't a direct hit. It would have been SPECTACULAR!!

    Anyone know the identity of the target hulk?
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:07 am

    Nice video... starts out with BAL launches (ie land launched Kh-35s) and then at 14 seconds on shows Onyx in its shore based version. (export Yakhont or Brahmos). Then there is the ship launch of a large missile with two large solid rocket boosters... which means Granit or Vulkan and at 45 seconds or so the very high speed missile blows past the target with what looks like a devastating hit to the ships bridge...
    Then there is a hit in the water next to the target barge by what I suspect is a bomb. Followed by several more attacks with bombs... one of which hits and one lands in the water next to the ship at about one minute 13seconds.

    I suspect the last weapons shown are glide bombs perhaps with GLONASS guidance rather than active homing weapons.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:28 am

    Ahhh...  managed to (provisionally) identify the class of vessel launching the heavy AShM.  It looks to be a Pr 1234 Ovod/Nanuchka class missile-boat, and the missile is a P-120 Malakhit/SS-N-9.

    Interesting that the radar for the Osa SAM (in immediate foreground) is turned to face the superstructure, presumably to shield the radar dishes from exhaust wash from the AShM launch.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:51 am

    As subs get quieter opposing forces have to resort more and more on active sonar to find and to attack submarines.

    Having an effective coating that absorbs sound means even active homing torpedoes will have problems finding a sub and hitting it...
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    Post  Project Canada Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:25 pm

    on other news..,

    project 941 Very Happy


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    Post  George1 Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:40 am

    The underwater missile "Predator"

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2170952.html
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:04 pm

    Missile boats will be protected by "Pantsirs"

    mini dictionary
    Shell, carpace  = pantsir
    Brains, Brainstorming  =Mozgovyi (name of person Smile

    http://izvestia.ru/news/636773


    Main Command of the Navy has agreed a new long-distance carriers face of cruise missiles "Caliber" - small missile ships "Buyan-M" type of project 20380. They will be equipped with the latest radar station (RLS) with an active phased array (AESA). This system will be installed, along with anti-aircraft missile artillery system (SPAR) "Carapace-CM", which will provide the highest level of security vehicles.

    Latest radar made in JSC "Central Design Bureau of Apparatus" (included in the holding "Precision Systems"). Unique radar is able to detect the fraction of a second low-flying cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles and surface targets and bring them a whole arsenal of anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles and rapid-fire artillery. The first ship of the new radar will be laid in the next year.

    - Currently, the appearance of ships "Buyan-M" with the new radar agreed, - told "Izvestia" a source in the Navy, familiar with the work. - The decision was made back in the summer. In addition to the new radar will be installed on the ship antiaircraft rocket artillery system (SPAR) "Carapace-CM". Now a new radar being tested on board the boats 12443 "Lightning", which we plan to complete before the end of the year.

    The new radar is the basis of the marine version of the anti-aircraft missile and gun complexes "Carapace-CM". Compared to land analogue "Carapace-C1" Marine SPAR has increased twice the detection range and engage targets. Locator sees everything that happens on the water and air at a distance of 75 km, and anti-aircraft complex of striking targets at a distance of 40 km.

    As explained by the expert, the traditional marine radar consists of a huge rotating on the roof of the wheelhouse antenna web-sail. The new radar will be the continuation of the conning-tower superstructure with three sides which are placed flat antenna. Each of them consists of a plurality of combined into one transceiver modules, which moves in a fraction of a second electron beam scanning space. He finds in the sector of 180 degrees ship rate air and surface targets, their selectors, it brings weapons and can even work as a means of jamming.

    An expert in the field of naval arms Brainstorming Alexander told "Izvestia", the first time such a system has been implemented on the fighter T-50.

    - Since 2017 it is planned to construct and install small missile ships of Project 20380 Type "Buyan-M", as well as within the framework of the modernization, on five similar ships which are already a part of the Caspian Flotilla and the Black Sea fleet - says Brain. - These ships distinguished themselves during a massive strike by cruise missiles "Caliber" of the Black and Caspian seas LIH terrorist purposes (organization banned in Russia) in Syria. New radar and "Carapace-SM" are replaced by anti-aircraft missile system "flexible" with missiles "Igla-M", as well as basic generic detection radar station "Positive".

    According to the expert, the dignity of AESA radar is not only in speed, but also in the fact that the system is fully fit into the concept of stealth stealth becoming a part of the body.

    - This is a unique technology - said the Brain. - missile boats projects 20380 ( Me: hmmm and not Buyans? ) and 22800 are the main striking force of our Navy. Therefore, in their neutralization will be the direction of the main forces of the enemy. It is important that our ships will be the powerful air defense system that can guarantee to protect them from air and missile attack.


    is so why not add Paket torpedoes too?



    and below updated AK-176 76mm gun for 22800

    The small Russian Navy will receive sniper weapons


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    Decided to equip all small missile ships and boats sverhskorostrelny 76-mm automatic gun AK-176МА accuracy thanks to the digital control and all-weather optronic system is not inferior to the sniper rifle.
    Depending on the type of vehicle that the product can be accommodated as in a conventional spherical, and stealth tower, which due to the angular forms invisible to enemy radar.

    With a weight of 10 tons the latest artillery systems are able to produce on a target located at a distance of 15 km, not less than 150 artillery shells. The main difference between AK-176МА from their predecessors — the digital control system, as well as the latest optical-electronic station "Sphere-2", allowing to detect targets at ranges of dozens of kilometers, day and night, in heavy rain and even storm.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:20 pm

    George1 wrote:The underwater missile "Predator"

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2170952.html

    From text is looks like improved Shkval cavitating torpedo. I wonder if any control is added and range. It might be nice weapon for drones. just lay down on bottom 1km +, no sound, no movement, just listening. Until Ac group comes close..then salvo of 500km/h torpedos and the way cleared Smile
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:34 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    George1 wrote:The underwater missile "Predator"

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2170952.html

    From text is looks like improved Shkval cavitating torpedo. I wonder if any control is added and range. It might be nice weapon for drones. just lay down on bottom 1km +,  no sound, no movement, just listening. Until Ac group comes close..then salvo of 500km/h torpedos and the way cleared Smile

    There's another article from a different source that also talks about the ABM A-235 in relation to it, which is real puzzling.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&tl=ru&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvpk.name%2Fnews%2F165449_podvodnaya_raketa_hishnik.html&edit-text=&act=url
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:13 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    George1 wrote:The underwater missile "Predator"

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2170952.html

    From text is looks like improved Shkval cavitating torpedo. I wonder if any control is added and range. It might be nice weapon for drones. just lay down on bottom 1km +,  no sound, no movement, just listening. Until Ac group comes close..then salvo of 500km/h torpedos and the way cleared Smile

    There's another article from a different source that also talks about the ABM A-235 in relation to it, which is real puzzling.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&tl=ru&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvpk.name%2Fnews%2F165449_podvodnaya_raketa_hishnik.html&edit-text=&act=url

    not that bad, look below

    JSC "KB "Electropribor" (Saratov) presented the application-presentation for participation in the contest "aircraft Builder of the year" by the end of 2015, organized by the Union of aircraft manufacturers of Russia.


    In the first part of the application of JSC "KB "Electropribor"
    is created to represent the enterprise modernized management system "multi-channel missile system special purpose" (of the missile defense complex) system RTC-181М (A-235) in the framework of the ROC "Plane-M". It is reported that "since the beginning of 2015 is the serial production of the modernized systems. At the end of 2016 it is planned to conduct interdepartmental testing of the system, including field work (missile), the results of which will be held the awarding of the design documentation of the upgraded system the letter "O1".


    Later in the application it is reported that "one of the directions of scientific and technical activity of JSC "KB "Electropribor" on the implementation of the state defense order are the R & d to develop composite parts advanced underwater vehicles".


    So A-235 is referring to a first part of presentation. Second to improved Shkval.
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    Post  nastle77 Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:18 am

    The RBU 6000 can it be used for shore bombardment and also against surface ships (I'm assuming can only be effective against merchant ships patrol boats etc) ?
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    Post  Guest Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:41 am

    nastle77 wrote:The RBU 6000 can it be used for shore bombardment and also against surface ships (I'm assuming can only be effective against merchant ships patrol boats etc) ?
    Thanks

    Its not very practical to be used aganist other surface ships, no point in it.

    However yes, it can be used for shore bombardment.
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    Post  nastle77 Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:59 pm

    Re RBU 6000
    Will it's rockets not explode if they hit surface ships or land targets ? Are they designed to explode only under water ?

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