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    Morpheus Eberhardt

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    T-5 Torpedo

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:16 pm

    T-5 nuclear/thermonuclear tipped torpedo

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:18 pm

    No supercavitation?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:40 pm

    Werewolf wrote:No supercavitation?

    Obviously not.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:09 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:No supercavitation?

    Obviously not.

    That was meant, more like Why not? I mean the Shkval has it and also optional nuclear tipped warhead, so what is the benefit of T5 over VA-111?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:48 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:No supercavitation?

    Obviously not.

    That was meant, more like Why not? I mean the Shkval has it and also optional nuclear tipped warhead, so what is the benefit of T5 over VA-111?

    T-5 was a much older system.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:30 am

    That was meant, more like Why not? I mean the Shkval has it and also optional nuclear tipped warhead, so what is the benefit of T5 over VA-111?

    When the boom at the end is that big... you want it to be as far away from your sub as possible... no huge advantage to getting it there faster.. most nukes have lethal underwater ranges of 10km or more, so whether it is travelling at 30knts or 200knts not many vessels could escape the danger zone... especially when they wont actually know where to run to as the wont know where it has been directed to to explode.


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Viktor on Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:24 pm

    There has been some word about the new kind of underwater robots able to destroy entire CBG just recently and now this

    Underwater robots are experiencing on a submarine "Sarov"

    The press service of the Russian Navy was then informed that the new submarine is designed to test "of combat and non-combat unmanned underwater vehicles, as well as other types of naval weapons and armaments and underwater technology for various purposes, their prototypes, working models (prototypes) produced from starting installations. " The stand is designed for continuous operation and the possibility of multiple upgrades.

    testing of Russian AIP has started

    CDB "Ruby": a sample of anaerobic systems for submarines already working
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:21 am

    Here it says that a marine version of Tor-M2U is on schedule
    http://военное.рф/2015/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B511/

    They mean naval version for ships or in a different chassis for use by the naval infantry?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:26 am

    Would be naval version for ships...


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:28 pm

    Russia Successfully Tests Small-Sized Anti-Submarine System in Baltic Sea

    Russia has successfully tested its newest anti-submarine system, which features anti-torpedo capabilities, during military exercises in the Baltic Sea.

    Russia’s stealth corvette Soobrazitelny has successfully tested the country’s newest Paket-NK small-sized anti-submarine system with anti-torpedo capabilities during the military exercises in the Baltic Sea.

    The Kilo class diesel-electric torpedo submarine “Varshavyanka” (Project 877) served as a target and was fired at with actual torpedoes (which hadn't been equipped with warheads).

    The corvette is set to engage in more practice firing and conduct a number of other military exercises.

    The Paket-NK system is designed to engage (destroy) submarines in a ship's close-in zone, when carrying out submarine warfare tasks, and to destroy torpedoes, attacking the ship while carrying out anti-torpedo defense tasks.

    The Paket-NK system can operate independently or be integrated into ship's antisubmarine/anti-torpedo defense system, solving a number of tasks in fully automatic or automated modes.

    The tasks may include the generation of target designation data for smaller heat-seeking torpedoes, based on data provided by ship's sonar systems and posts.

    Detection and classification of attacking torpedoes, determination of their movement parameters, and generation of target designation data for anti-torpedoes

    Pre-launch preparation of combat modules, generation and transfer of firing data to them, launching of anti-torpedoes and/or miniature heat-seeking torpedoes

    The Paket-NK system is a radically new weapon system, allowing surface ships to complete ASW/anti-torpedo defense tasks with high effectiveness, and to substantially increase their survivability.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150209/1017989525.html#ixzz3RG3k3wAI

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Vympel on Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:22 am

    Lets talk modern Russian torpedoes - we know now that the Russians have dumped their oversized torpedo launchers for surface ships and moved to the international standard size (more or less) with Paket-NK, but what about torpedoes for submarines? Any developments in this area?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:01 am

    Lotta good info here, from mina:

    http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=122&p=25

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:04 am

    George1 wrote:Russia Successfully Tests Small-Sized Anti-Submarine System in Baltic Sea

    Russia has successfully tested its newest anti-submarine system, which features anti-torpedo capabilities, during military exercises in the Baltic Sea.

    Russia’s stealth corvette Soobrazitelny has successfully tested the country’s newest Paket-NK small-sized anti-submarine system with anti-torpedo capabilities during the military exercises in the Baltic Sea.

    The Kilo class diesel-electric torpedo submarine “Varshavyanka” (Project 877) served as a target and was fired at with actual torpedoes (which hadn't been equipped with warheads).

    The corvette is set to engage in more practice firing and conduct a number of other military exercises.

    The Paket-NK system is designed to engage (destroy) submarines in a ship's close-in zone, when carrying out submarine warfare tasks, and to destroy torpedoes, attacking the ship while carrying out anti-torpedo defense tasks.

    The Paket-NK system can operate independently or be integrated into ship's antisubmarine/anti-torpedo defense system, solving a number of tasks in fully automatic or automated modes.

    The tasks may include the generation of target designation data for smaller heat-seeking torpedoes, based on data provided by ship's sonar systems and posts.

    Detection and classification of attacking torpedoes, determination of their movement parameters, and generation of target designation data for anti-torpedoes

    Pre-launch preparation of combat modules, generation and transfer of firing data to them, launching of anti-torpedoes and/or miniature heat-seeking torpedoes

    The Paket-NK system is a radically new weapon system, allowing surface ships to complete ASW/anti-torpedo defense tasks with high effectiveness, and to substantially increase their survivability.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150209/1017989525.html#ixzz3RG3k3wAI

    I think "heat seeking" is a mistranslation in this context. They are really referring to an internal combustion engine.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:00 pm

    А-190-01 and А-220М Naval Artillery Systems

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:14 pm

    max steel wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Nothing is that stealthy and like in NATO navy drills and wargames have shown, even less developed british subs can detect american "stealthy" vessels and kill them, that will be even less problem for more capable subs russia uses along with their Shkval torpedoes with nuclear warheads to destroy entire battlegroups.


    But shkval range isn't that much . Even germans have supercavitating torpedoes .

    Only one supercavitating torpedo is in active service that is the Shkval and it is the only one with nuclear tipped warhead, no vessel can get away from such speeds.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:11 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Nothing is that stealthy and like in NATO navy drills and wargames have shown, even less developed british subs can detect american "stealthy" vessels and kill them, that will be even less problem for more capable subs russia uses along with their Shkval torpedoes with nuclear warheads to destroy entire battlegroups.


    But shkval range isn't that much . Even germans have supercavitating torpedoes .

    Only one supercavitating torpedo is in active service that is the Shkval and it is the only one with nuclear tipped warhead, no vessel can get away from such speeds.
    On that note, any news on Shkval II YET?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  TR1 on Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:36 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Nothing is that stealthy and like in NATO navy drills and wargames have shown, even less developed british subs can detect american "stealthy" vessels and kill them, that will be even less problem for more capable subs russia uses along with their Shkval torpedoes with nuclear warheads to destroy entire battlegroups.


    But shkval range isn't that much . Even germans have supercavitating torpedoes .

    Only one supercavitating torpedo is in active service that is the Shkval and it is the only one with nuclear tipped warhead, no vessel can get away from such speeds.

    Can you prove that Shkval is a deployed weapon in the Russian submarine force?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:57 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Nothing is that stealthy and like in NATO navy drills and wargames have shown, even less developed british subs can detect american "stealthy" vessels and kill them, that will be even less problem for more capable subs russia uses along with their Shkval torpedoes with nuclear warheads to destroy entire battlegroups.


    But shkval range isn't that much . Even germans have supercavitating torpedoes .

    Only one supercavitating torpedo is in active service that is the Shkval and it is the only one with nuclear tipped warhead, no vessel can get away from such speeds.

    Can you prove that Shkval is a deployed weapon in the Russian submarine force?

    I can.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:59 am

    max steel wrote:
    But shkval range isn't that much .

    How do you know the range of nonexportable variant of Shkval?


    Even germans have supercavitating torpedoes .

    The "German" one is not German.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  TR1 on Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:05 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Nothing is that stealthy and like in NATO navy drills and wargames have shown, even less developed british subs can detect american "stealthy" vessels and kill them, that will be even less problem for more capable subs russia uses along with their Shkval torpedoes with nuclear warheads to destroy entire battlegroups.


    But shkval range isn't that much . Even germans have supercavitating torpedoes .

    Only one supercavitating torpedo is in active service that is the Shkval and it is the only one with nuclear tipped warhead, no vessel can get away from such speeds.

    Can you prove that Shkval is a deployed weapon in the Russian submarine force?

    I can.

    Produce it please.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  RTN on Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:23 pm

    TR1 wrote:Produce it please.

    He can't, he won't. He doesn't have time. Go figure.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  max steel on Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:56 am

    why won't they in first place ? it' a nice weapon to blow nato subs to kingdom come attack
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:29 am

    What makes you think it isn't in service TR-1?

    The Shkval does not use HTP fuel so it was not the cause of the explosion on the Kursk if that is what you think.

    It is actually a defensive weapon used in ports and on ships to defend against threats detected in close.

    It is for short range knife fights basically.


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  max steel on Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:03 am

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    GarryB wrote:What makes you think it isn't in service TR-1?

    The Shkval does not use HTP fuel so it was not the cause of the explosion on the Kursk if that is what you think.

    It is actually a defensive weapon used in ports and on ships to defend against threats detected in close.

    It is for short range knife fights basically.



    Thats what i said russian shkval range is unknown but exported model has 150 km range which is less what if hostile sub is out of our torpedo range and we have detected it already . How will you counterthe threat ? Because in anti submarine warfare first attack is required .
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  collegeboy16 on Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:47 pm

    max steel wrote:
    Thats what i said russian shkval range is unknown but exported model has 150 km range which is less what if hostile sub is out of our torpedo range and we have detected it already . How will you counterthe threat ? Because in anti submarine warfare first attack is required .
    150km range is too much- no way its gonna be in the standard 533 or even 650mm torpedo size. it would also give an awful lot of time for the target to move out of the way- supercavitation is noisy as hell, and sound travels rather faster in water than in air. maybe an extended range subroc klub that is 650mm in diameter to allow for more solid fuel rocket.

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