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    Post  Gomig-21 Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:35 pm

    joker88 wrote:After reviewing the video and photos, it turned out that she is not in Egypt and she is 30

    Do you have a link for the video?
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    Post  Gomig-21 Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:20 pm

    Isos wrote:They clearly have canards and the cockpit seem to be wide so a two place su-34 or su-30.

    "Clearly have canards"?  Those distorted photos can easily play tricks on you, my friend.  Look at this one out of the batch as they've travelled higher and also at a different angle to the sun.  This shot shows nothing resembling any canards.

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    Isos wrote:I doubt it's from Egypt. It's probably from Syria. Russians fly them in formation like that.

    Not saying you're wrong about Syria, but have you been to Egypt?  Are you familiar with all the different landscapes and types of buildings and greenery in many different areas of the Nile Delta and it's outer suburbs or Upper Egypt or even Lower Egypt?  A lot resembles many Arab countries.

    And the formation flying is not restricted to the RuAF by any means.  Especially if Russian pilots and their foreign training program would teach Egyptian pilots to do the same thing.  Besides, many air forces fly in this formation at takeoff and to say this is only Russian way of flying is way too simplistic.

    We need the video and how @Ahmedfire acquired the photos.  Plus I haven't seen anyone else show these photos on any social media that I am familiar with, so it makes it even more unclear.
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    Post  joker88 Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:53 pm

    https://www.mediafire.com/file/mfznuog6y5w0b0h/392747-384231fb5ab86a4fe963bdd9bf89a0b2.mp4/file
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    Post  joker88 Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:56 pm

    This is the video link
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    Post  joker88 Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:00 pm

    https://www.mediafire.com/file/q21qri2c59pnzrf/392747-384231fb5ab86a4fe963bdd9bf89a0b2.mp4/file

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    Post  Gomig-21 Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:23 pm

    joker88 wrote:https://www.mediafire.com/file/q21qri2c59pnzrf/392747-384231fb5ab86a4fe963bdd9bf89a0b2.mp4/file

    Can't open it without downloading a bunch of their stuff which I'm not about to do, but thanks anyway.  Maybe we'll get to see it on something like YouTube or Twitter etc.

    Is someone speaking colloquial Egyptian or Shami Arabic?  That would be a dead giveaway.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:49 am

    Just a warning, when trying to download that video link an advert for sex in my location came up with uncensored hard core nude shots of women appearing, so NSFW.

    Further along on the media hosting site it had this notice for the file:



    This file was uploaded from Egypt on June 18, 2021 at 4:11 AM

    Looking at the photos again the shape of the shadows at some angles suggest to me that these are single canopy Su-35s and that if you look at the top edge of the shadow it is short for the short canopy and the rest of the shadow is the fuselage shape of the spine which is not the same width as the front which includes the inside of the canopy, so wider at the front and narrower at the rear suggests the front shadow is the side of the fuselage and the entire canopy width but it is not wide enough to be an Su-34 and is too short to be an Su-30 IMHO.



    Edit... note right click on this link above and choose save link target or save link as... and then choose a place to save it to.

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    Post  joker88 Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:05 pm

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    Post  Gomig-21 Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:52 pm

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    @Joker88, what are the dates of these pics?  Love it.  I'm guessing this is at Komosolksonamur lol sorry to my Russian friends if I butchered that name, but it seems that is the main important testing military airport complex.  Also seeing one of the new Okhotnikts there is very cool.  

    I'm convinced that Su-57 will be a request for the EAF as well as an addition 34 Su-35SE for a total of 64 as the EAF is not one bit worried about CAATSA.  Enough is enough of telling us what we can and cannot buy.  Meteors approved, 300 more SCALPS on top of the 150 already bought as well as a request for the MICA NG and all sorts of stuff the US and Israel can choke on it!  Plus the 2 MRTT refueling AC with a possibility of 4 more coming later.  Sounds like the EAF will provide refueling support to allies with that many MRTTs eventually.  Incredible what Sisi & Co. have accomplished and all that is left is to know what weapons systems Russia is providing with the Su-35SE which will be like pulling teeth!  I sure hope the export version of the R-37 and especially the latest export variant of the R-27ER as it seems to be better than the R-VV-1.

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    This file was uploaded from Egypt on June 18, 2021 at 4:11 AM

    Looking at the photos again the shape of the shadows at some angles suggest to me that these are single canopy Su-35s and that if you look at the top edge of the shadow it is short for the short canopy and the rest of the shadow is the fuselage shape of the spine which is not the same width as the front which includes the inside of the canopy, so wider at the front and narrower at the rear suggests the front shadow is the side of the fuselage and the entire canopy width but it is not wide enough to be an Su-34 and is too short to be an Su-30 IMHO.

    Yep, completely agree.
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    Post  joker88 Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:18 pm

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    @Joker88, what are the dates of these pics?  Love it.  I'm guessing this is at Komosolksonamur lol sorry to my Russian friends if I butchered that name, but it seems that is the main important testing military airport complex.  Also seeing one of the new Okhotnikts there is very cool.  

    I'm convinced that Su-57 will be a request for the EAF as well as an addition 34 Su-35SE for a total of 64 as the EAF is not one bit worried about CAATSA.  Enough is enough of telling us what we can and cannot buy.  Meteors approved, 300 more SCALPS on top of the 150 already bought as well as a request for the MICA NG and all sorts of stuff the US and Israel can choke on it!  Plus the 2 MRTT refueling AC with a possibility of 4 more coming later.  Sounds like the EAF will provide refueling support to allies with that many MRTTs eventually.  Incredible what Sisi & Co. have accomplished and all that is left is to know what weapons systems Russia is providing with the Su-35SE which will be like pulling teeth!  I sure hope the export version of the R-37 and especially the latest export variant of the R-27ER as it seems to be better than the R-VV-1.

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    This file was uploaded from Egypt on June 18, 2021 at 4:11 AM

    Looking at the photos again the shape of the shadows at some angles suggest to me that these are single canopy Su-35s and that if you look at the top edge of the shadow it is short for the short canopy and the rest of the shadow is the fuselage shape of the spine which is not the same width as the front which includes the inside of the canopy, so wider at the front and narrower at the rear suggests the front shadow is the side of the fuselage and the entire canopy width but it is not wide enough to be an Su-34 and is too short to be an Su-30 IMHO.

    Yep, completely agree.
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    Post  joker88 Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:20 pm

    https://twitter.com/benreuter_IMINT/status/1406215694484652038?s=19
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    Post  joker88 Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:21 pm

    https://twitter.com/Strike_Flanker/status/1405775918539309061?s=19

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    Post  Gomig-21 Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:40 pm

    joker88 wrote:https://twitter.com/benreuter_IMINT/status/1406215694484652038?s=19

    Thanks, just a month ago so relatively recent.

    Any idea why you're double-posting? Is it just happening or is the first post not showing so you post it again?
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    Post  joker88 Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:51 pm

    Gomig-21 wrote:
    joker88 wrote:https://twitter.com/benreuter_IMINT/status/1406215694484652038?s=19

    Thanks, just a month ago so relatively recent.

    Any idea why you're double-posting?  Is it just happening or is the first post not showing so you post it again?  
    Twitter is different, one about a month ago and the other a few days ago from the factory. Attached to the tweet is a video of the vice president visiting the factory.

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    Post  Gomig-21 Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:50 am

    11 more all ready for delivery. We should be seeing a lot more pics of new serial numbered aircraft and who knows. maybe even in Egyptian colors.

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    Post  joker88 Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:54 am

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    Post  joker88 Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:56 am

    But 12 fighters
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    Post  Gomig-21 Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:03 am

    joker88 wrote:But 12 fighters

    Yes they announced 12 ready for delivery but I counted 11 in that pic lol.

    Also, @Gary, the report also stated that the original order of MiG-29M/35 was 50 with 2 additional "for compensation," whatever that means whether it was 52 original and they replaced the 2 crashed ones or it was 50 and they actually replaced the 2 + 2. Either way, they made really good on their end and they also built these Su-35s pretty damn quick. Good stuff.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:34 am

    Also, @Gary, the report also stated that the original order of MiG-29M/35 was 50 with 2 additional "for compensation," whatever that means whether it was 52 original and they replaced the 2 crashed ones or it was 50 and they actually replaced the 2 + 2.

    Compensation means if you lose something or it is damaged then it is replaced, so I would say the original order was for 50 aircraft but when they lost two aircraft they delivered two more aircraft to replace those lost aircraft.

    If they were shipped over and the ship carrying 20 of them sunk then they would have to deliver an extra 20 to compensate for the loss so you still ended up with the 50 aircraft you ordered.


    So 50 ordered and 52 were sent because two crashed and were destroyed so that they have the 50 they wanted available to use and put into service.

    It would be very important to work out why those two were lost, whether it was a fault in the aircraft or pilot error, or an error in training the pilots perhaps so that it is not repeated.

    The MiG-29 is a solid design but the MiG-29M is a very new version of it with a lot of changes and for the first few years in any new aircrafts service they will find errors in manufacturing and design and in training and tactics. Finding those problems and fixing them before they take out too many aircraft and pilots is very important.

    The F-111 was in US service for about a decade before going to war for the first time in Vietnam where a problem with its tail surface was revealed that cost them several aircraft lost... so it happens to the best of them.

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    Post  ahmedfire Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:26 am

    Gomig-21 wrote:11 more all ready for delivery.  We should be seeing a lot more pics of new serial numbered aircraft and who knows. maybe even in Egyptian colors.

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    That makes sense , the delivered five were in 2020 which means they are delivering now some 10 or more . thumbsup

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    Post  joker88 Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:58 am

    Russia will supply Egypt with dozens of SU-35s this year?
    During his visit to the "Gagarin" plant in Komsomolsk-sur-Amur, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov (who is also the head of the Military Industrial Committee) indicated that Sukhoi will provide 4 copies of the SU- 57 in the ministry. defense, as well as 11 export copies of the SU-35 this year. The final customer is not named, but it will certainly be Egypt.

    How many SU-35s do Egypt have?
    The contract value is estimated at $2 billion - other sources suggest a figure as high as $15 billion. The exact number of SU-35s that Russia will supply to Egypt has not been determined, and numbers vary. Some sources state that the range is between 24 and 36, while others refer to 64 copies.

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    US "concerned" by sanctions.
    Last February, the United States said it was "concerned" about this Contract. Under the CAASTA (Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act) Act adopted in 2017 targeting Russia, Iran, and North Korea, the United States can sanction any country that conducts arms transactions with the targeted countries. These sanctions - for Beijing, after the purchase of the SU-35, and for Ankara according to the order of the S-400 Triumph. ” But the US authorities are in no hurry to take such measures against Egypt, one of its main partners in the Middle East
    https://air-cosmos.com/article/des-sukho-su-35-legypte-25039?utm_source=Sociallymap&utm_medium=Sociallymap&utm_campaign=Sociallymap

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    Post  Gomig-21 Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:36 am

    joker88 wrote:
    How many SU-35s do Egypt have?

    The EAF will end up eventually with 64 Su-35Es. Mark my words, my friend. Remember this media conference at the Sukhoi factory showing the 30 for Egypt?

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    under the same category another large batch to an "unknown ME country but we know it ain't Algeria since they went for the Su-30 upgrade and bought 12 MiG-29M/M2 and allegedly ordered the Su-57? These will all be Egyptian Su-35s in the upcoming years which will be great to go along with the 2 and possibly eventual 4 additional MRTT refueling & cargo aircraft. This is why I am adamant about the weapons package that will come with these monsters because they have so much deadly potential that to have only 3 types of weapons like 2 A2A in the R-77 and R-73 and one of the Kh missiles like the Mig-35 in simply not enough AT ALL. They need R-27ER1 and the R-77-1 or AE Kh-31, KH38, R-37 and A LOT more weapons to make these aircraft worth the trouble Egypt will be facing eventually. Just my opinion
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    Post  Isos Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:52 am

    Well f-16 will need to be replaced at some point and Sissi isn't a fan of the US.

    But it may be su-57 instead of su-35 specially that its production rates will grow with more export orders.

    And that will for sure be followed by a contract for S-70 drones.

    Interms of missiles egypt probably already asked for the r-77M to be integated in it su-35.
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    Post  Gomig-21 Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:01 am

    Isos wrote:Well f-16 will need to be replaced at some point and Sissi isn't a fan of the US.

    Well, the part about Sisi not being a fan of the US is not entirely correct, but I know what you mean.  Also, there are current negotiations about a "possible" MLU of 100 F-16s that would include certain upgrades.  Keep in mind, there is an aid package that is somewhat connected to the peace treaty with Israel that was used in the past 4 decades to purchase all 240 F-16s.  They will eventually need to be replaced but many of them, quite a large amount actually are relatively only in their mid-life span and have new engines installed as recent as 2 years ago.  Not to mention a HUGE weapons package the EAF has in store for those aircraft.  

    Isos wrote:But it may be su-57 instead of su-35 specially that its production rates will grow with more export orders.

    That would be a dream come true.  But considering current production rate of the Su-57, it begs the question of when will any export model be available?  Might not be for another 5 to 7 years at the earliest, I would think.  In the meantime, I am almost 100% positive that unless the US imposes CAATSA on Egypt or offers the F-15EX with AAMRAMs and the AIM-9X lol which I can confidently say in agreement with all you fine fellows that that will never happen, then the EAF will only want to increase the number of Su-35SEs as much as possible, at least 64 units and maybe more as an equivalent that they would prefer anyway.

    Isos wrote:And that will for sure be followed by a contract for S-70 drones.

    You think so?  Russia will export the S-70 Okhotnik with the Su-57?  That would be quite the thing.

    Isos wrote:Interms of missiles egypt probably already asked for the r-77M to be integated in it su-35.

    Really?  That's the R-77 version with the AESA seeker, right?  Too bad we have to guess all this crap and they just don't come out and tell us so we know for sure!  I hate that crap, sons of bitches! lol

    Honestly, I would be happy with just the R-77SD.  Knowing the EAF has a counter to the AIM-120C-5 is good enough for now so that the Russian aircraft in the EAF have their 100km+ range missile to keep up with the Meteor on the Rafales.

    Also the R-37M to have the lethality of a hypersonic missile that is capable of taking out AWACs aircraft and cripple a potentially powerful enemy might be even more important IMO.  That missile would change the entire A2A dynamic for the EAF and cause all kinds of nightmares as well as give the EAF a HUGE boost.
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    Post  Backman Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:09 am

    Isos wrote:Su-34 froom Kmeimim maybe for training with egyptian air force.

    The nose seems to be wide.

    Yeah. There is a faint indication of canards too

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