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    2024 Iran–Israel conflict

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    Post  nomadski Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:31 pm


    And who forced the anti - nuclear fatwa ? What kind of Islam is this ? And who said that Iranian youth must be punished ? When they were being shot in the eye ? What kind of Islam is this ? So Iran is a strong country ? No it is not . And Iran has solutions for the conflict in Palestine ? No it does not . The revolution did not achieve freedom or democracy or independence for Iran . Iran ( officials and those in power ) can not even defend it's top officials and institutions from foreign attack . The group in power , a rabid right wing anti-democratic and pseudo- religious gang , will not allow progress .

    What we see Iran doing , we see other countries do . They sell weapons , we sell weapons . They have friends , we have friends . Nothing special there . What we see people in Iran do , we see people in other countries do . They do murder , we do murder . They do crime , we do crime . Nothing special there . The only difference is the lie and pretence to the revolution and being special .

    At least the Arab states are honest . They are not revolutionary any more . They are not Arab socialists or nationalists . They serve openly . But this pretence , a still needed disguise by the rabid right wing in Iran , is troublesome for them . They have to do just enough to cool ( or fool ) the masses , yet not antagonize their secret love object sitting in DC . They serve secretly .

    So theatre must be arranged . An on going show , longer running than the greatest Broadway hit musical . One that will appeal to the masses , and appease their love object in DC . They don't have a nationalist bone in their entire body . All they care about is their wealth , counted in Gold or USD . They care not what happens to Iran , as long as they can pack their bags and Gold , and fly out .

    Since Iran no longer has an effective or fully functional and legitimate government . And since Iran exists in political turmoil . And since Iran has not developed a fully self- sufficient economy . And since Islam has been used to subvert Iran nuclear defence . And religious dogma has been used in favour of minority rule . And any foreign war , imposed or elected , will give rise to internal anarchy and chaos . And foreign intervention . Then Iran will not and can not defend against open warfare and attack .

    The Palestinians are alone . Apart from limited support from resistance groups in ME . The idea of a two state solution is not practical . Nor a single mixed state . Nor a single homogeneous ethnic state . In fact no state can exist long term in this region . Let alone a micro- state called Gaza , in reality a prison cell . The fate of all people in this region is becoming transients . Gaza and West Bank Palestinians deserve survival and a real future , free from war . The Arab and Islamic countries , if unable or unwilling to give them this future in Palestine , must then provide them in their own countries . Stop this false hope and insanity and war . Open the borders .

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:37 pm

    🇮🇷⚔🇮🇱 How Iran can avoid falling into Netanyahu’s trap as Israel escalates ‘shadow war’

    “Israel wants Iran to fire missiles into Israeli towns, causing massive carnage. Then it would feel free to use its US 2,000 pound bunker buster bombs on Iran’s nuclear facilities and cities and persuade the US to join in. Netanyahu wants to cause mayhem to stay in power and avoid jail, to destroy Iran as a threat once and for all,” Dr. Hossein Askari, professor emeritus at the GW School of Business in Washington, DC, told Sputnik, commenting on the dramatic escalation of Israeli operations against Tehran this week.

    The two countries have waged a decades-long “shadow war,” but this week’s events, including the targeting of the Iranian Embassy compound in Damascus in a missile strike, and terror attacks in southeastern Iran by a suspected Mossad proxy, will strain Tehran’s “strategic patience” vis-à-vis Tel Aviv, Dr. Marco Carnelos, an Italian former diplomat specializing in Middle Eastern affairs, told Sputnik.

    “The least that I can say is that Netanyahu is trying to package a trap for Iran, and the latter’s leadership should be smart enough not to fall into it,” Dr. Carnelos urged. “It’s quite difficult to predict what the Iranian leadership might be thinking at this moment,” the observer admitted, noting that his advice is for Tehran to “try to minimize tensions and work tirelessly with its Arab neighbors to show who is really stirring tensions in the region.”

    For his part, Dr. Askari believes Iran could respond using tools of asymmetric warfare, from cyberattacks inside Israel to tit-for-tat attacks targeting Israeli and US interests around the world.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:38 pm

    🇮🇷/🇮🇱 NEW: The Israeli Director General of the Ministry of Health, Moshe Bar Simon Tov, instructed all doctors and aid workers to be present at their stations in major Israeli hospitals, in order to prepare for any possible scenario – Channel 12

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:44 pm

    🇮🇱🇮🇷❗The warming up continues, Netanyahu said that if Iran attacks Israel, he will give them hell!

    “For years, Iran has been working against us both directly and through its emissaries, and so Israel has worked against Iran and its emissaries, both defensively and offensively.

    We know how to protect ourselves, and we will act on a simple principle: whoever harms us or plans to harm us, we will harm him ."
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:57 pm

    🇵🇸 🇮🇱 Based on the progress of the past 75 days, it will take the IDF 429.6 days to launch temporary raids throughout the remainder of the Gaza Strip.

    🔶️ In the past 5 days the IDF have made minor advances in Al-Qarara and Abasan, and cleared another missing piece of the 1km bufferzone area.

    🔶️ (White line = Route 749, Black dots = IDF bases inside Gaza, Grey dot = World Kitchen Pier)

    📎 Gaza war unit tracking (https://twitter.com/2023gazawar/status/1775967939306365088)

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:09 pm

    Israel attacked Iran. In Syria, which is not Israel or Palestine. This is an act of aggression. Now Iran has no choice but to attack Israel. With all the forces of the Resistance. This war will be started by the Shiites, but at some point it cannot but become a war of all Muslims. We must take into account timing: Biden does not want it at all, as his priority is the election and support for Ukraine against Russians, but Trump, on the other hand, does not care about Russians, but Israel is dear to him. Therefore, Tehran has every reason to start a war with Israel as soon as possible. Under Biden and before Trump. The US and NATO will definitely get involved, but with great reluctance. In the meantime Russians will take Kiev and strengthen dramatically anti-Western pole. That's where Trump will come in or civil war will break out in the US. And the world will already be irreversibly multipolar.


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:18 pm

    Israel moves dismantled F-16s to unknown locations for fear of missile strikes by Iran on its airbases.

    https://twitter.com/naziakhan455/status/1775945959261778232
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    Post  nomadski Fri Apr 05, 2024 7:20 am

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:Israel attacked Iran. In Syria, which is not Israel or Palestine. This is an act of aggression. Now Iran has no choice but to attack Israel. With all the forces of the Resistance. This war will be started by the Shiites, but at some point it cannot but become a war of all Muslims. We must take into account timing: Biden does not want it at all, as his priority is the election and support for Ukraine against Russians, but Trump, on the other hand, does not care about Russians, but Israel is dear to him. Therefore, Tehran has every reason to start a war with Israel as soon as possible. Under Biden and before Trump. The US and NATO will definitely get involved, but with great reluctance. In the meantime Russians will take Kiev and strengthen dramatically anti-Western pole. That's where Trump will come in or civil war will break out in the US. And the world will already be irreversibly multipolar.


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    Iran has very few realistic choices . Some better and some worse . Among these : ( 1 ) Simply increasing the support for the axis , to cause significant damage to Israeli ports and Airports , is one . But will this stop further Israeli attacks against Iran ? Most probably not , certainly in the short term , and not before Iran suffers some damage too . ( 2 ) Doing nothing and carrying on at present speed , giving limited aid to the axis , is another choice ,  but this will certainly embolden Israelis to escalate , this time hitting Iran itself . Then Iran will have less choice and will be forced to return to step ( 1 ) . And the other choice ( 3 ) is an all out war , with the aim of defeating Israel . Then Iran will also take ( perhaps nuclear ) hits , and as I described before , Iran is not politically or economically or militarily in a good position . There is the possibility that Iran will be defeated , especially if the Yanks enter the war . But ideally Iran should respond fully and with force and immediately . And I agree that this will help Russia in Ukraine . A joint effort if you like .

    But even if Iran and the axis enter into a full scale war , then the rest of the " Muslims , " are unlikely to enter the war . They will sit on the sidelines and wait . And even if the Iranians defeat Israel , they have no resources or means to manage the peace . Or offer solutions . They will simply leave behind , even a greater problem than before . Of course if Iran was in a position to start a full scale war , it would be better started sooner , with greater public support . The longer they wait , the less important the urgency and faded memory in the public mind , and the less the support . This is far more important than what assets sit on the chair in the oval office . The foreign policy of UK and USA is fixed and determined largely by permanent staff and party politics . It will not change . Multipolarity may have to wait a bit longer . Industrial and political growth in the world , leading to strong national governments , perhaps as a result of Chinese industrial and economic expansion , may play a part .
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    Post  starman Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:27 am

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:
    Netanyahu wants to cause mayhem to stay in power and avoid jail, to destroy Iran as a threat

    The first two definitely. Not sure if he's ready for the third.


    “The least that I can say is that Netanyahu is trying to package a trap for Iran, and the latter’s leadership should be smart enough not to fall into it,”

    Agreed.


    For his part, Dr. Askari believes Iran could respond using tools of asymmetric warfare, from cyberattacks inside Israel to tit-for-tat attacks

    I have a suggestion. Send a submarine somewhere where it can ambush and sink an Israeli vessel preferably a warship. But just like the zionists, don't claim responsibility. Wink

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:32 am

    🇮🇱❗Israeli authorities have suspended the work of 28 diplomatic missions around the world due to the threat from Iran. This statement was made by the Sky news Arabiya channel.

    According to his information, “28 diplomatic missions have been closed after Iran’s threat to respond to the attack on its consulate in Damascus.” On Thursday, Kan radio reported that as part of "unprecedented preparedness" for Iran's expected response to the attack attributed to Israel in Damascus, the Israeli Foreign Ministry, in consultation with security officials, decided to evacuate a number of its embassies around the world.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:36 am

    Israel knows a scenario of possible Iranian retaliation for attack on its consulate in Damascus - report

    Israeli officials claim intelligence indicates that Iran could attack the country from its soil using “long-range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles or drones,” Axios reported.

    The anticipated scenario would be retaliation for the recent Israeli targeting of the Iranian Embassy compound in Damascus in a missile strike, officials in Tel Aviv claimed, as cited by the outlet. The purported threat was recently discussed in detail during a phone conversation between Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant and US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin. The two sides reportedly considered how best to prepare for possible Iranian retaliation.

    If Iran were to launch such an attack from its soil against Israel, it would "draw a strong response from Israel and take the current conflict to another level," Israeli officials were cited as saying. Currently, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are on high alert, officials added, with all weekend leave suspended for combat soldiers.

    The Syrian Ministry of Defense reported an airstrike by the Israeli Air Force on the General Consulate of Iran in Damascus on April 1, which killed at least 11 people. The death toll included seven officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, among them General Mohammad Reza Zahedi (https://t.me/geopolitics_live/20319), the commander of the IRGC's Quds Force in Syria and Lebanon, and his deputy Mohammad Hadi Hajizadeh.

    In the wake of the strike, Iran warned that Tehran will respond (https://t.me/geopolitics_live/20467) in kind.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:42 am

    Commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Hossein Salami:

    - The land will return to the Palestinians and the Zionists will have no choice but to surrender.
    - "Israel" cannot stand all this hostility that the Palestinian youth has towards it and that has lasted for several decades.
    - The Iranian people know how to defeat empires.
    - We warn that any aggression against Iran will not go unanswered.
    - No skill will be able to harm the body of this nation.
    - Palestine writes an eternal legend of resistance for future generations.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:50 am

    Israelis have begun stockpiling toilet paper and water for fear of Iranian missile strikes, reports Kann.


    https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1776172819652452462

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:10 am

    "Israel is alive today thanks to US artificial respiration. Today the Zionist regime breathes thanks to the United States. When this Western artificial respiration device is removed, it will begin a vegetative life and collapse — and it is close," IRGC chief Hossein Salami said during a demonstration on the occasion of Al-Quds Day.

    https://t.me/geopolitics_live/20560

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    Post  nomadski Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:38 pm

    50% in favour of sinking Zionist Ship versus disabling an Airfield . The Zionist citizens less spooked by Ship sinking , seeking refuge and dangling by Netanyahu skirt . But Airfield more useful to Palestinians , stopping arms shipments . But there is smoke and fire ! They disabled GPS ? So it is not Iran fault , the inaccuracy , missiles and drones destroying random Bakery ! How long will the Embassy be closed ? How long will the Rats stay in bunkers ( permanently , if entrances are destroyed ) ? A big punch , and wait for the  counter punch !


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Apr 05, 2024 4:11 pm

    🇺🇸/🇮🇷 NEW: Through a series of messages exchanged via third parties, the United States and Iran have come to an understanding; Iran assured the Americans it will not target U.S. facilities, and in turn the U.S. says it will not get involved if Iran retaliates against Israel – Sources

    https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/5823

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    Post  nomadski Sat Apr 06, 2024 3:21 am

    I trust the Americans 100% ! BTW , anyone notice the sudden appearance of numerous shallow depth < 20 km ( depth to which can be drilled ) small Earthquakes in southern Iran and Eastern USA ?  CIA have a warning about Iran retaliation within 48 hours ? Is this a Green light ? Why not 48.5 hours ? Or one week ? Not OK ! Iranian dishes take a long time to get them ready , or put together . This one takes about a week .But they taste better than American Dog- burgers !

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Apr 06, 2024 1:07 pm

    It is incredible the number of accounts on the networks that are carried away by rumors about alleged Iranian attacks against Israel.
    Anything is already published, if it has even the slightest foundation.
    Iran will respond when it sees fit and in the manner and place it decides.
    For now, the only real thing is the tense Israeli wait, with some defensive preparations and the psychosis suffered by the Zionists.


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:00 pm

    Within the ethos of the Resistance Axis, and particularly when preparing to respond to a Zionist crime, the response is not just about the military action itself:

    The punishment is drawn out through extended expectation, putting the settlers in a fragile psychological state.

    This is already evident in the hysteria overtaking the occupation awaiting the Iranian military response to the criminal aggression against their embassy — but can also be seen in the Lebanese resistance’s actions (https://t.me/PalestineResist/35187) on the border today.

    The destruction of a segment of the border wall, the strike against the IOF drone jamming site, the downing of the IOF Hermes drone (which they rely on for intel after the destruction of their spy infrastructure on the border)…

    These are all actions pregnant with possibility.

    All of this, combined with the looming Iranian retaliatory response — and with the Sayyid’s speech (https://t.me/PalestineResist/35087) announcing readiness for all-out war — paints a picture of potent initiative and utmost readiness from the Axis of Resistance, leaving the occupation is in a state of psychological destitution.

    This is further translated into reality by the IOF’s growing reliance on artillery, their fighter jets sequestered to not be sitting ducks for missiles:

    Without a single shot fired, the IOF’s most destructive tool of murder has been paralyzed.

    The punishment has already begun.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:04 am

    Something needs to change with regard to Iran policy / approach to Israel . And that is a hardening of stance towards this entity . Going back to assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists , that were not retaliated , to destruction of nuclear infrastructure and all these attacks on Iranian military advisors . Other attacks by proxy forces against shipping and oil infrastructure also exist .

    The most important change is Iran abandoning the JCPOA , and arming it's missiles with nuke warheads . This act alone , will have a great deterrence value against the Israelis , but also the Americans . Iran can increase it's support for it's allies , helping local production of AD too . But in my view , the most important asymmetric response is Iran developing a land based rapid reaction force , highly mobile and fast , with logistical support that can advance and attack and defeat the Zionists or NATO forces .  

    Iran's advantage and trump card , is it's geographical land connection to China and Russia . In the event of war with the Zionists and NATO , it can overwhelm any attempt to disrupt this land connection . Present threats and future challenges , should mostly be addressed by this force . This land force , innovative and modular and flexible system , should have the ability to cross borders to confront any challenge . It should be able to live off the land , and need minimal logistical support .
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    Post  nomadski Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:42 am

    To make Israel regret ? Like a person regrets ? Avoids an action in the future ? But society is made of groups  . And they all don't think alike or at the same time or have the same degree of power to act .

    The Zionists are the group that acted . Not the majority of Israeli population . Then could a retaliation or a lesson be thought to them collectively ? Could they all be individually identified and thought a lesson ?

    And even if they all suffer a loss , then when will they decide against more attacks ? Groups , unlike persons or individuals depend on collective action . This takes longer . How much longer will it take to decide ?

    Therefore it is not possible to teach them a lesson . All that a limited strike And retaliation  will achieve , is allow an opportunity for further attacks . This time much bigger and more destructive .

    Therefore a tit for tat exchange will cause damage to Iran / Israel . And it will leave Zionists in power and control . The only way to avoid large  damage to Iran , is not allow the Zionists time or space , to spend their destructive force .

    Therefore a limited strike should be avoided . Instead an all out attack , including a land invasion should be carried out . This to defeat all the Zionists and not simply punish them and hope they have learnt their lesson .

    Iran's condition to carry out such attack is not ideal . But this is the way to avoid great damage to Iran . Of course the Zionists fearing destruction will resort to using nukes . That is why before a land invasion , Iran must display a nuclear deterrent force .

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    No retaliatory strike on Israel , without Iran first displaying a Nuclear weapon arsenal , with ICBM .

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    Post  Hole Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:58 pm

    Ask North-Korea.  Very Happy

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    Post  nomadski Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:04 pm


    Iran becoming like Saudi Arabia , not North Korea . An appendectomy is needed , before it kills the patient .
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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:11 am

    The problem there is that with the CIA sniffing around any Iranian people wanting genuine change for the better will be corrupted and hijacked by CIA and Israeli paid stooges and extremists that try to make it about choosing east or west... with west being a bitch of America and east being the current regime.

    It seems to me that if Iran does want change that changing to be pro US pro Israel is not really an option that would appeal to most Iranians... except the young stupid ones that like american culture and music.

    The CIA and the US in general has corrupted any alternative to themselves and made democracy a dirty word in a lot of places including Russia and probably China too. Russia has real democracy, and China actually probably has more democracy than the US does... the US has made it a dirty word.

    In the same way they have corrupted the free media where they can't stand RT or Sputnik because it bypasses their control of western media... the first line of attack on any country is to buy up or influence their TV and print media... and these days social media... the west has made journalism a dirty word too... look at the way they treat Snowden and Assange and even Seymour Hersh...

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