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    Post  Arrow Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:34 am

    The Russians were working on the MHD drive. Also Japan, which has a surface ship with this drive, Yamato 1. However, this drive is inefficient. You would need superconductors at normal temperatures. It's a long way. It is doubtful that China or the USA will be pioneers of new exotic drives for submarines.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:57 am

    Sounds like an interesting idea Russia might follow on later.

    Sounds like bullshit... using lasers to boil water so the sub runs underwater like some tea kettle?

    How is super cavitating bubbles of boiling water supposed to be quiet... especially at a rate that would move several thousand tons of submarine...

    When I was a kid my brother had a little tin boat with a coil pipe running in from the back and back out the back end. You put a fuel block under it and set it on fire and bubbles of steam came out the rear pushing it forward. The boat was super light weight and it was very noisy... the coil of tubing was under the water level so water kept flowing in and came rushing out as it boiled. It didn't ever go very fast...

    Even if you ionised the water and could push it through the tube with a magnetic field I am not sure you could actually get it to move a volume of water at a speed high enough to propel a submarine that weighs over 1,000 tons.

    Sounds like bollocks to me.

    Edit: or maybe it is the west clutching at straws to look for technology that is several generations ahead of everything they are working on now because everything they are working on now doesn't work and is inferior to what the Russians and Chinese are working on.

    Some super new made up technology that will beat everything without proof or evidence in the hope that the Russians and Chinese waste time and money testing it themselves too...

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri May 10, 2024 3:00 pm

    The scrapping of Kirov class PR.1144 Adm Lazarev is nearly complete.

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    Post  Mir Fri May 10, 2024 3:05 pm

    I would have preferred a nice picture of the Nakhimov running sea trails. Razz

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    Post  ALAMO Fri May 10, 2024 3:40 pm

    This pic is the same telling.
    No more ships sinking at pier, and rusting after for years.

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    Post  Hole Fri May 10, 2024 10:13 pm

    With the money for those parts you can build a lot of Karakurts.  Very Happy

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    Post  George1 Fri May 10, 2024 10:51 pm

    The patrol ship "Viktor the Great" (Pr. 22160) and the small missile ship "Typhoon" (Pr. 22800) were launched



    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4822890.html

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    Post  GarryB Sat May 11, 2024 6:21 am

    It means they no longer have to spend money maintaining it and it frees up a very big floating dock for other purposes...

    Sad to see her go, but they need to move forward.

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    Post  Mir Sat May 11, 2024 9:28 am

    Hole wrote:With the money for those parts you can build a lot of Karakurts.  Very Happy

    The Nakhimov can tow them all to Cuba for a nice holiday in the Caribbean - after the SMO. Wink Laughing

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    Post  mnztr Sun May 19, 2024 6:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Sounds like an interesting idea Russia might follow on later.

    Sounds like bullshit... using lasers to boil water so the sub runs underwater like some tea kettle?

    How is super cavitating bubbles of boiling water supposed to be quiet... especially at a rate that would move several thousand tons of submarine...

    When I was a kid my brother had a little tin boat with a coil pipe running in from the back and back out the back end. You put a fuel block under it and set it on fire and bubbles of steam came out the rear pushing it forward. The boat was super light weight and it was very noisy... the coil of tubing was under the water level so water kept flowing in and came rushing out as it boiled. It didn't ever go very fast...

    Even if you ionised the water and could push it through the tube with a magnetic field I am not sure you could actually get it to move a volume of water at a speed high enough to propel a submarine that weighs over 1,000 tons.

    Sounds like bollocks to me.

    Edit: or maybe it is the west clutching at straws to look for technology that is several generations ahead of everything they are working on now because everything they are working on now doesn't work and is inferior to what the Russians and Chinese are working on.

    Some super new made up technology that will beat everything without proof or evidence in the hope that the Russians and Chinese waste time and money testing it themselves too...

    I think as long as the water does not boil it will be quiet, but the expansion of water is not very largee from say 15C to 95c, but it has enormous mass, so perhaps you can create some sorta water ramjet by rapidly heating intake water to 90C and getting a 10-15% expansion.
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    Post  mnztr Sun May 19, 2024 6:36 pm

    Arrow wrote:The Russians were working on the MHD drive.  Also Japan, which has a surface ship with this drive, Yamato 1. However, this drive is inefficient.  You would need superconductors at normal temperatures.  It's a long way.  It is doubtful that China or the USA will be pioneers of new exotic drives for submarines.

    Won't such powerful magnetic fields be easily detectable?
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    Post  GarryB Mon May 20, 2024 12:41 am


    I think as long as the water does not boil it will be quiet, but the expansion of water is not very largee from say 15C to 95c, but it has enormous mass, so perhaps you can create some sorta water ramjet by rapidly heating intake water to 90C and getting a 10-15% expansion.

    The difference between the amount of thrust heating water would generate compared to say a waterjet for a jet boat is enormous... I honestly doubt heating water to a non boiling state and ejecting it out the rear would actually move the sub very much at all and even with boiling water and steam bubbles I don't think it would move much either. The only reason it worked on the toy was because the toy was sheet metal and very very light weight...

    A compressor or water jet that could generate high pressure water jets underwater would be necessary and they would not be quiet either.

    Part of the problem is that under water you detect by sound... as opposed to in the air where you detect by light or radar.

    In the water sound moves four times faster... so we are talking about 1.2-1.4km per second, which means even if you get your sub moving at 100km/h the enemy is going to hear you long before you arrive... and to shift 3-4 thousand tons of submarine you are going to have to shift a lot of water very quickly to get to such speeds and maintain such speeds.
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    Post  franco Sun Jun 09, 2024 12:59 pm



    This year, the Ministry of Industry and Trade plans to transfer 50 new ships for various purposes to the Russian Navy. This figure is almost twice the number of ships transferred last year, 2023. State Secretary - Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Viktor Evtukhov stated this in the “Military Acceptance” program.

    In 2023, we transferred 32 ships to the fleet - not only combat ships, there are supply ships and others. About fifty are planned for this year. These are not only boats, frigates, small missile ships and so on - there are also support vessels, but this is all for the fleet,” Evtukhov said.

    It's worth noting that this number does not include submarines. At the same time, the department pays maximum attention to frigates and corvettes, since they can operate in the far sea zone.

    “We have been building frigates for several years now - many frigates and corvettes are already in service and on combat duty... These ships are constantly being improved. In the process of building a series of ships, additional changes are always made so that these ships are more equipped, more prepared, more modern,” said Evtukhov.

    Watch the new episode of the “Military Acceptance” program entitled “Frigates. Hypersound. "Zircon" on the website of the Zvezda TV channel. The hero of the program will be the frigate Admiral Golovko. As part of the Northern Fleet exercises, the ship will undergo a whole series of tests: it will evade missile attacks, cross minefields, with the help of a high-speed gun of the Broadsword system and the Poliment-Redut anti-aircraft complex, it will repel an attack from the air, and itself will strike: at sea and coastal targets.

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/202469919-az84L.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:35 am

    Russia will build a new Canal from the Caspian to the Black Sea!

    If the canal is built, then most of the BSF may use the Caspian Sea for training & dispercing. A long planned waterway to the Arabian Gulf/Sea across Iran also will allow it to bypass Turkey, Suez, the Med & Red. Seas on its way to/from the Indian Ocean & beyond.
    The RuN may also get similar ships: https://youtu.be/4Rg0X4MJc3U


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    Post  Kiko Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:43 am

    “Five minutes flight to Washington”: the Russian fleet worked near the US borders, by Victoria Nikiforova for RiaNovosti. 06.17.2024.

    While President Putin was offering the West peace terms in Ukraine, Russian warships were stationed 180 kilometers from Florida. This distance is approximately the same as from Moscow to Kaluga.

    The signal was read quickly and very well. The British panicked first . When the frigate Admiral Gorshkov, the nuclear submarine Kazan, the supply tanker Akademik Pashin and the Russian Navy rescue tug Nikolai Chiker passed the British Isles on June 5, information about this immediately went to the permanent headquarters of the British Navy in Northwood. From there, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak was quickly notified . He quickly met with Defence Secretary Grant Shapps.

    A spokesman for the Northwood headquarters complained that Russian warships were frequenting British shores "in search of our vulnerabilities." The British tabloids began lamenting the Russian threat, recalling that Yasen M-class nuclear submarines (the Kazan class belongs to this class) are considered “the deadliest submarines in the world.”

    Then the Russian ships proceeded to the Atlantic and passed 25 miles from the east coast of the United States. US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan responded with a statement: the United States will monitor Russian ships.

    Until June 12, Admiral Gorshkov and Kazan were practicing the use of high-precision weapons and air defense measures off the coast of the United States. And directly on Russia Day, our flotilla parked in Havana . A line of curious people lined up to see Admiral Gorshkov. People took selfies, photographed the ship, Russian flags fluttered in the sky, and our anthem sounded. At this very time, Cuban Foreign Minister Bruno Rodriguez Parrilla met in Moscow with Sergei Lavrov and expressed full support for Russia in its confrontation with the NATO bloc.

    Moscow has repeatedly emphasized that there is no threat in the maneuvers of Russian ships near American borders. These are routine exercises that Russia, as the largest maritime power, regularly conducts in various regions of the world's oceans.

    Even those deafened by their own cries of “The Russians are coming!” It was clear to Western politicians that the purpose of this expedition was not to bang, bang, or make a fool of themselves somewhere. The task of our flotilla was different: to demonstrate the vulnerabilities of the Anglo-Saxon missile defence.

    This explains the nervous reaction of the British and Americans to our teachings. The fact is that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they completely stopped taking into account the possibility of a real nuclear confrontation with an enemy of comparable power. Roughly speaking, they were not afraid that anyone would seriously attack them.

    The British had just overhauled their missile defence systems, realized that their island was practically unprotected from modern missiles, and began in a panic to call for the creation of an analogue of the Israeli “Iron Dome”. However, there are two problems. The first is that they don't have the money for it. The second is that the legendary Iron Dome did nothing to protect the Israelis from last year’s Hamas attack , carried out by cheap drones and home-grown missiles.

    What about US missile defense capabilities? After all, popular mythology says that American weapons are “the most super-duper,” as former President Trump put it. However, the American military itself has calculated that the effectiveness of , for example, the much-hyped American strategic missile defence system GMD (Ground-Based Missile Defense) is only 50 percent. That is, it works like in the joke about the blonde and the dinosaur - it either intercepts or not.

    There are 44 GMD complexes in Alaska , and only four in California , on the southern border of the country. Moreover, all US anti-missile systems were developed at a time when hypersound could only be dreamed of. Today, both Russia and China have a full range of hypersonic missiles.

    Both “Admiral Gorshkov” and “Kazan” are carriers of atomic weapons, but the same “Zircons” can be launched without nuclear filling - the possibility of their interception by the Americans is highly doubtful. There is no doubt about the British.

    Of course, this is by no means saber rattling, but only a reminder to our counterparties of the kind of Russia they are dealing with. This is by no means the demoralized country of the 1990s. It has every opportunity to pursue an independent policy - diplomatic, economic, and military.

    If the balance of power is unclear to Western politicians—and a lot of questions have accumulated about their cognitive abilities—then perhaps the American and British military will be able to clearly explain to their superiors what threatens their countries in the event of a full-scale conflict with Russia.

    American political scientist Gilbert Doctorow explains, as they say, on cards : “By sending Russian ships to the Caribbean , Putin is making a direct statement to the West: if the United States places its missiles at a distance of ten to twenty minutes flight from Moscow or St. Petersburg , then <... "Russia could place its warheads in the Caribbean , a five- to ten-minute flight from Washington. The United States will not have time to respond, and these missiles will be impossible to stop."

    Today our flotilla weighs anchor in Cuba. There is a feeling that with a kind word and the Russian “Zircon” you can get a little more from the Americans than just a kind word.

    https://ria.ru/20240617/flot-1953242038.html

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:29 pm

    Kiko wrote:“Five minutes flight to Washington”: the Russian fleet worked near the US borders, by Victoria Nikiforova for RiaNovosti. 06.17.2024.

    https://ria.ru/20240617/flot-1953242038.html

    Interesting but why have you posted this in the Ukraine thread rather than Russian Naval News?

    Garry, can you move it please?

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:53 pm

    x.com/Cyberspec1/status/1801910790171357570 


    Cruiser "Varyag" and Frigate "Marshal Shaposhnikov" have arrived in Tobruk, Libya after an exercise with the Egyptian Navy


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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:53 pm

    Please ignore the first item.



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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:25 pm

    Statements by Admiral Alexander Moiseyev, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy:

    A modern navy is impossible without the use of unmanned systems;

    The reaction to the voyage of Russian ships to the shores of Cuba was expected;

    The actions of the Russian Navy in the areas of the world ocean important for Russia will continue. The voyage of Russian ships to Cuba is of great importance for Russia;

    The tasks of expanding Russia's capabilities in the Arctic include the development of air defence systems and coastal complexes.


     http://t.me/ukraine_watch

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:08 am

    https://rostec-ru.translate.goog/news/rostekh-sozdal-unikalnye-supernadezhnye-splavy-dlya-morskikh-dvigateley-budushchego/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

    Rostec has created unique super-reliable alloys for marine engines of the future
    Specialists from the United Engine Corporation (part of the Rostec State Corporation) have developed two new corrosion-resistant heat-resistant alloys for the production of blades for marine gas turbine engines. Unique materials will make it possible to create more powerful and wear-resistant power units for the fleet, a representative of the development company said during the Fleet-2024 International Maritime Salon.

    The materials created at the Rybinsk enterprise "ODK-Saturn" significantly surpass the best domestic samples in terms of corrosion resistance, withstand temperatures up to 1000 degrees Celsius and ensure stability in an aggressive marine environment. Currently, the necessary package of regulatory and technical documentation has been developed and technological processes for the production of components from new materials have been developed.

    “In the course of physical, mechanical, chemical and corrosion studies, the new alloys confirmed the declared characteristics. They will be used for turbine blades and nozzles operating under difficult conditions, including thermal effects and complex mechanical loads. New materials make it possible to increase the efficiency and power of a marine gas turbine engine, which opens the way to the creation of promising marine power plants of a new level,” said UEC Deputy General Director for Sales and Service Alexey Nesterenko.

    The alloys are certified and approved for use in gas turbine equipment for marine purposes. They will be used to create new marine gas turbine engines, as well as to increase the power and improve the performance of existing production engines operated at offshore and coastal sites.

    As part of the unified exposition of Rostec at the International Maritime Show "Fleet-2024", the United Engine Corporation is demonstrating samples of modern gas turbine technology for marine use - the M90FR and M70FRU engines. In addition, at the State Corporation’s stand you can see naval aviation aircraft, ship-based air defense systems, communication systems and radio systems. The international salon "Fleet-2024" takes place from June 19 to 23 in Kronstadt.

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:26 am

    The dates for the appearance of the fifth generation strategic nuclear submarine in the Russian Navy have been announced, by Olga Ivanova for VZGLYAD. 06.20.2024.

    A fifth-generation strategic nuclear submarine may appear in the Russian Navy in the early 2030s, said Navy Commander-in-Chief Admiral Alexander Moiseev.

    He noted that “the scientific and technical basis for this is now being formed,” RIA Novosti reports .

    According to the commander-in-chief, the life span of any combat system, including a nuclear submarine, is estimated at 25-30 years.

    Earlier, Moiseev said that the basis of the surface ships of the Russian Navy in the far sea zone in the next decade will be Project 22350 frigates with hypersonic missiles.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/6/19/1273921.html

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    Post  Arrow Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:34 am

    A fifth-generation strategic nuclear submarine may appear in the Russian Navy in the early 2030s, said Navy Commander-in-Chief Admiral Alexander Moiseev. wrote:

    It would have to be already under advanced construction.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:01 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    It would have to be already under advanced construction.

    Anything Big, like an Akula under construction?

    It would also need new SLBMs, hopefully heavy liquid fueled ones with detonation engines.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:30 pm

    Russia wants to move away from liquid fuel in SLBMs. Bulava and its modifications are the future of SLBMs in Russia.

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