Russian Navy: Status and News #6

So by that logic Pod, all the Ukrainians have to do is throw a hand grenade at one of the aircraft monuments they have outside their air bases and all of Russias air power is useless too.

For fucks sake, they got a lucky hit using dozens of missiles and drones and decoys on a sub in DRY DOCK.

And you think that means Russian SSKs in the Black Sea are not safe?

Are you an idiot?

Do you understand that a moving sub that is underwater or even on the surface is vastly more difficult to track down and sink than one in dry dock... but lets pretend you are right... why haven't they sunk all the Russian Subs in the Black Sea?

They are all SSKs so they will all be surfacing to recharge their batteries... so with HATO surveillance 24/7 why hasn't a single Russian sub been detected let alone sunk there?

You are like a child having a tantrum... you like SSGNs and you think Russia should have more than anyone else because... why... so you can brag they have the most on the internet?

Why are you so fixated on SSGNs?

They are useless when you are not at war and in a war they can get sunk just like any other platform.

Not trying to offend you but you are annoying with your little fixations.

And as for the heavily damaged submarine "Rostov", you didn't understand me there either.
I wrote that if that submarine was damaged by a cruise missile, in the event of any conventional conflict with NATO and due to the closure of the Black Sea, those 636.3 submarines would be an EASY TARGET. And I am convinced that it is so. The Black Sea is not an open ocean and only one part of that sea is in Russian hands.

You confirm you are an idiot. Firstly hitting a submarine sitting in dry dock with a cruise missile means nothing in a conventional conflict with HATO, because any vessel in dry dock will be of zero use in that conflict.

Secondly you can hit a submarine in a dry dock because it is visible on satellites and it can't be moved so that cruise missile didn't hit a submarine... it impacted a coordinate like a building or bridge. Submarines at sea are not buildings or bridges for which you can collect its coodinates and then pass those on to operational units to punch into their targeting computers and then launch an aircraft to release an air launched cruise missile that flys to those coordinates, because before that operational unit even got those coordinates even a surfaced SSK moves while it is snorkeling and when it is snorkeling it only has the snorkel above water so a cruise missile wont even hit it, but it also wont hit it because it will already be several kilometres away from the coordinates the satellite or targeting source collected a few hours earlier.

Even coordinates 5 minutes old would be too late to hit the sub.

Russian SSKs in the Black Sea have been completely safe... if HATO could find them and hit them then Kiev would be trying over and over to do that and they have no idea where they might be.

In a short time they would be found in the Black Sea and the Baltic.

Found by HATO ships that would be sunk by Russian long range anti ship missiles that cover the length and width of the Black Sea?

Or found by HATO aircraft that would be shot down fairly quickly too?

So you already have one damaged submarine in a low-intensity conflict without the direct participation of the NATO pact.

They shot a beached whale, no need to get your panties in a knot.

Not only are all submarines in the Baltic and Black Sea vulnerable, but all ships and submarines of the two fleets are vulnerable.

Any war with HATO will be nuclear within minutes... whether subs or ships in the Black Sea are sunk is meaningless... all HATO ships and subs in the Black sea will be destroyed very quickly too... in fact probably much faster than Russian ships and subs would be.

Turkey would probably not get involved so their ships and subs would probably be ignored.

And you, as the main administrator of this page, should know which two fleets are the most powerful in the VMF and what formed the backbone of their striking power.

The future of teh Russian Navy is to support Russian access to the rest of the world, which means the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet are going to be the real focus with the Caspian sea flotilla becoming a transport hub through Iran, but the Black Sea fleet will only be insuring the safety of South Stream to Turkey, and shipping material to Syria and maintaining relations with Egypt and north Africa, there is not a lot of value in having a large force there. When Europe collapses there will likely be a lot of Piracy there. The Baltic fleet can be tiny and focus on ensuring access to Kaliningrad.

Do I need to write a MILLION times that Russia is down to only 6 active attack nuclear submarines?

Plenty... they are only of use at war...

And what are you writing about, "about my fixation on SSGN submarines" ?

Your fixation with sub counting is a bit sad.

And what is your idea, to defend Russia with only 6 attack nuclear submarines of projects 885 and 971 in the vast expanse of the Arctic Ocean and the Pacific ?

Refer to the first lines of this post, do you think Russian SSNs are the only things stopping a HATO invasion of Russia?

They are tapped out after a year of supplying Ukraine and you still think they are a threat?

Russia has sea bed sonar arrays and SSKs and corvettes and aircraft and of course MiG-31Ks to deal with any surface ships.

Not to mention a nuke in your capital city if you do try anything stupid.

Even if they get close enough most of their cruise missiles are pathetic and would likely be shot down.

You are the FIRST to write that the Chinese do not have modern attack nuclear submarines, even though they have everything else, and here you write that I have a "fixation" on those submarines..

I rather doubt that because I have no idea what submarines the Chinese have.

Articles written in Chinese newspapers during joint Russian Chinese naval exercises noted the Russian sailors were impressed with the nice new modern Chinese ships, but that the Chinese were interested in Russian submarine technology and anti sub technology...

With 6 submarines, even seven of them with B-448 "Tambov", Russia cannot even try to defend itself.

HAHAHAHA... yeah... Russia is wide open to attack... who is first?

And what then, should I listen to your fairy tales and those like you about how "Kinzhal" or "Zirkon", or even "Poseidon" will sink surface ships of the US Navy ? Maybe they will...
There is one problem Garry, it will NOT sink the Virginia and the Seawolf class..

And again it comes back to the first point... if you were actually reading what I have been saying that Poseidon is a doomsday weapon and any anti carrier potential was all speculation. I did point out that the only way a Poseidon could have an anti sub function would be as a cluster nuclear bomb munition carrier with hundreds or thousand of nuclear bombs that it would sow on the sea floor and detonate in likely launch areas for US subs, but even then it is an enormous waste of resources that might not hit a single sub so hardly worth it. Just the same as a rail based nuke... you could try landing a nuke every 300m along a train track but that would use up enormous numbers of nuclear warheads that would be better used trashing western cities instead.

And that's why everyone is writing about attack nuclear submarines.

You are writing about SSNs and everyone is responding is talking about them too, but Russia needs a surface fleet more than it needs a sub fleet.

A sub fleet is useless in peace time and does nothing to promote trade and military relations with other countries.

* Therefore, the money invested is insufficient and the Russian shipbuilding industry is corrupt,,or who knows what, and most importantly, it is inefficient.

The ship building industry is working hard trying to keep up with orders, for every military ship like a sub or corvette they are also making lots of patrol boats and support ships and other ships that are needed too, and for every military boat they put out there are also orders for civilian ships that they are struggling to keep up with.

Wasn't there a number posted recently that 300 civilian ships are being built with 1200 on order waiting for shipyard space... even India is being contracted to make civilian ships to deal with the need.

More ships means more income and more trade which means more money for the navy to protect and support that trade... it is all good.

And what else should we write about ?

And if they had 100 SSNs and 100 SSBNs and 1,000 corvettes... they would have lost the conflicts in Ukraine and Syria already because they pissed all their money and resources away on their bloody useless navy.

And with what will you defend yourself, with non-nuclear submarines of the 636.3 project against the multi-billion submarines "Virginia" in NF and PF? Hey man, the American MIC is corrupt and they overpay for their military equipment, but in this case you have absolutely no chance.

If the Russians had no chance HATO would have invaded them years ago... a torpedo from a 636 will sink any western sub or ship, the value of the target means nothing at all.

Anyway project 636 class submarines (improved Kilo) could be produced in large series and at good pace. Even if it was not the most outstanding example of latest class technology it was enough, and they are doing their role pretty well. If they would have only concentrated on the latest projects, especially after all the time of disarrey post soviet union fall, Russia will have very few remaining Diesel submarines.

I suspect they wont even bother with AIP and might go to all electric drive submarines and use nuclear powered charging stations in port and in various locations in their own waters where they can charge up without the noise of a diesel engine or having to surface.

What is still missing is a small antisub corvette like the old project 1124 grisha class (which could be probably by made based on either the small missile corvette 22800 (karakurt) or on the 22160 patrol ship.

I would suspect the bow sonar could be replaced by an underwater drone and towed arrays, but the UKSK launcher can fire the Otvet anti sub ballistic rocket delivered torpedo and of course a helicopter with a dipping sonar would also be an effective way of tracking down subs... even visually in shallow waters.

The point is that the corvettes are multirole but wont operate on their own... they will operate in groups of other corvettes with perhaps a frigate too for more difficult tasks

I am absolutely not against private owned industries especially if founded

Well you should be because most of the time they seem to turn out to be the problem... selfish greedy cnts.

A lot of companies in the Russian MIC are partially owned by private interests. But their control keeps decreasing.

Lots of tribunals have opened cases of ownership changes during the 1990s where the owner is illegal and part of a problem in making issues for the organisation... port owners chemical plants etc etc etc.

Now they can't get money out of the country via SWIFT they are getting exposed and investigated and it is an excellent and timely cleanout of criminals from both the west and inside Russia itself. There was one case of a man who owned a port that was making 20 million US dollars a year that went to his nieces who lived in the US on this money, with no funds invested back into the port to increase productivity or potential.

Changes are happening.

The west thinks it is punishing Putin and Russia but they are actually destroying all the strings and money leaks that kept Russia back.

Putin has not built up the Russian Navy to be amazing, but there was no need to in the past because most Russian trade went through western ports on western ships insured by western insurance companies. Now Russia needs civilian ships to reach the world and their shipyards are struggling to make them... they can't trust western shipyards like those in France for instance, but they can have ships built in India and China and things built in Turkey even, but military ships should be made in Russia.