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    Russian Navy: Status and News #5

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:27 pm

    Isos wrote:I wonder why they didn't go for angled launchers for Oniks. Anyway 16 Uran is a big ammount and could even sink destroyers.


    Because angled launchers for Onix were never developed, they expected to have brand new fleet so nobody bothered.

    This could also mean that legacy Soviet missiles are reaching their expiration date and they are now switching to new ones.

    Other than launchers is there anything else new like radars? Can anyone do image comparison?

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    Post  hoom Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:06 pm

    Nanuchka I Class of project 12341 missile corvette after modernization
    Been wondering when a pic of this would show up.

    Bit of a shame they haven't managed to replace the Osa as well, its my understanding they're pretty much non-functional these days.
    But there's not really a valid replacement currently: Pantsir-M is too big, new naval Tor & Sosna not ready & Gibkha is a bit lacking.
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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:18 pm

    IMO they will keep them untill Karakurt are build in big numbers. Air defence will be provided by other ships of the task force.
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    Post  Hole Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:08 pm

    Naval Tor exists since the end of the 70´s.
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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:16 pm

    Hole wrote:Naval Tor exists since the end of the 70´s.

    But the VLS sucks. It is heavy and big while the missiles are very small ones. They need a new VLS system.

    The last one that they showed isn't better the radar is mounted on the VLS and it has the same amount of missile as the ground version.

    They need different VLS size with 8, 16 and 32 cells. Put tge radars on the top of tge ship and the VLS anywhere where there is no space for other weapons. On Gorshkov frigate there is lot of space for such system.
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    Post  George1 Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:29 pm

    Russian armada in Cuba russia



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    Post  George1 Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:51 pm

    JohninMK wrote:

    Russian Navy: Status and News #5 - Page 3 D91yrHnXUAEowW9

    Russian Navy: Status and News #5 - Page 3 D91yrHwXYAAOIL1

    Can someone mention which types are these 2 ships? because i am bored to search Cool
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    Post  Isos Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:23 pm

    Admiral Gorshkov and tugs Elbrus and Nikolay Chiker.

    Its a shame you didn't realized their names are writen on them !
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    Post  ult Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:32 pm

    Elbrus is Project 23120, Chiker is Project R-5757.

    http://russianships.info/eng/support/project_23120.htm

    http://russianships.info/eng/rescue/project_5757.htm
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    Post  George1 Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:12 pm

    Isos wrote:Admiral Gorshkov and tugs Elbrus and Nikolay Chiker.

    Its a shame you didn't realized their names are writen on them !

    you also took rescue tug for Admiral Gorshkov Laughing
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    Post  Isos Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:17 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Isos wrote:Admiral Gorshkov and tugs Elbrus and Nikolay Chiker.

    Its a shame you didn't realized their names are writen on them !

    you also took rescue tug for Admiral Gorshkov Laughing

    Nope, I just copy/past the names from twitter and was too lazy to remove admiral gorshkov from the list Very Happy Embarassed
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:58 am


    Interesting video.. About what the American research scientists groups ,thin tank military
    groups ,NGOS that works for military perhaps , their discussions in Conferences to educate about their findings of Russian navy.. weakness and capabilities..

    Russian Naval Strategy, Capabilities, and Prospects



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    Post  George1 Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:48 pm

    Fourteen sailors die in submersible vehicle in Russian waters on July 1

    MOSCOW, July 2. /TASS/. Fourteen submariners died in a fire that broke out in a submersible vehicle in Russian waters on July 1, the Defense Ministry said in a statement released on Tuesday.

    "On July 1, fourteen submariners - sailors died in Russian territorial waters as a result of inhaling combustion products aboard a research submersible vehicle designated for studying the seafloor and the bottom of the World Ocean in the interests of the Russian Navy after a fire broke out during bathymetric measurements," the statement says.

    The fire was extinguished "thanks to the self-sacrificing actions of the team," the statement says.

    The submersible is currently staying at the Severomorsk naval base.

    "The causes of the incident are being investigated. The Navy’s commander-in-chief is carrying out the investigation," the statement says.

    https://tass.com/emergencies/1066739
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:01 pm


    Losharik deep sea midget sub

    This will be rumor shitshow so I advise to keep and eye on what Martyanov says about it, he actually knows the topic

    http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2019/07/fourteen-russian-sailors-die-in-fire.html
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    Post  Vann7 Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:34 pm



    No idea what happened , but a look at the submarine will clarify anything..
    if the external surface is in great condition and the sub returned on its
    own then it was an accident..

    Which ever is the case is very dangerous for Russia nation security .
    to have NATO navies navigating through the economic zones of
    artic Russia.. Because between Russia main land and some northern artic islands
    there are choke points ,that hostile NATO navies can use to deploy mines or
    kamikazi drones that will explode when they detect another submarine of a different
    sonar signature.. The same thing is true for China in the south China sea..
    Any NATO warships there can deploy advanced mines and or spying equipment..
    to keep track of CHina navy movements and is no wonder they very angry at
    NATO navigation in the zone. So worried is CHina about NATO navigation in
    South China sea ,that they are ready to invest Trillions of dollars in very large
    train routes connecting Asia with Europe.. The Belt and road initiative is all about security
    ,to bypass any open or secret blockade that CHina predict , the Americans will do on them..
    in the future.. when both nations start a cold ,semi hot war. to have an alternative to maritime trade , because CHina is too dependent on sea routes for its Economy and they Know Americans can blockade China maritime routes.. with infesting the trade routes and choke points with Isis pirates ,thousands of smart mines, that are designed to hit large ship containers.. etc...

    Russia trade is not dependent much on sea routes.. they use pipelines ,that
    are easy to repair , and that Europe also helps to monitor..Still the artic routes poses a
    challenge to Russia own naval fleet.

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    Post  Isos Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:56 pm

    Officially the incident happened in russian waters. I doubt there was any nato sub or mine there. Maybe some special forces swimmers that defended themselves with explosives if nato was involved. Weired events are taking place in Washington. Pence cancelled some meeting to go at white house in the same time Putin cancelled some meeting to see MoD.

    But it seems to be just a fire that occured inside the ship.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:12 pm

    Some ass clown did a shit job with the wiring. Looks like it.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:48 am


    Fire most likely happened while sub was in base

    http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2019/07/fourteen-russian-sailors-die-in-fire.html
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:54 am

    Serious loss of officers

    Among the 14 dead were seven Russian Navy Captains of the First Rank, roughly equivalent to the U.S. Navy Captain rank, according to state-run media outlet Sputnik. Two of these individuals had also been decorated as Hero of the Russian Federation, the country's highest honorary title.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:34 am

    In order to save the submarine and rest of the crew, the 14 that died locked themselves in through emergency protocol to prevent the fire from spreading.
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    Post  Admin Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:37 am

    I want to know why so many senior officers where on one midget sub.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:02 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:I want to know why so many senior officers where on one midget sub.

    It's a deep diving nuclear spy sub operated by GUGI

    It's staffed exclusively by senior personnel



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    It's carried by this:

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:10 am

    miketheterrible wrote:In order to save the submarine and rest of the crew, the 14 that died locked themselves in through emergency protocol to prevent the fire from spreading.


    I call BS on this one

    Every time Russian troops get killed it's always some super heroic sacrifice, every single time

    Stops being believable after a while and it just detracts from those who actually did something like that in the past

    Is it so hard for Russian Military (and country in general) to admit that they simply f**ked up?






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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:03 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:In order to save the submarine and rest of the crew, the 14 that died locked themselves in through emergency protocol to prevent the fire from spreading.


    I call BS on this one

    Every time Russian troops get killed it's always some super heroic sacrifice, every single time

    Stops being believable after a while and it just detracts from those who actually did something like that in the past

    Is it so hard for Russian Military (and country in general) to admit that they simply f**ked up?







    Or maybe that is what happened. How do you know?
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:39 am

    miketheterrible wrote:....

    Or maybe that is what happened. How do you know?


    If they can verify it then it's​ good

    But it would be seriously low if they were putting out this version in order to cover some systemic mess

    Where did you get this news from?




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