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    Post  dino00 Fri May 03, 2019 10:22 am

    GarryB wrote:It was this thread:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7063p425-s-300-400-500-news-russian-strategic-air-defense-3#255518

    Where dino00 posted a link stating the Vityaz could carry 48 9M100s... it carries 12 9M96s... and the standard S-400 has four tubes for normal sized S-400 missiles and can carry 4 9M96 missiles per tube for a total of 16 missiles with 9M96s only, so with 9M100s it should be able to carry 64 missiles... which would look rather odd as they are much much shorter missiles...

    Nope Cool this one

    https://iz.ru/813938/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/sbit-so-sveta-korabli-poluchat-novye-zenitnye-rakety
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri May 03, 2019 10:42 am

    GarryB wrote:It was this thread:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7063p425-s-300-400-500-news-russian-strategic-air-defense-3#255518

    Where dino00 posted a link stating the Vityaz could carry 48 9M100s... it carries 12 9M96s... and the standard S-400 has four tubes for normal sized S-400 missiles and can carry 4 9M96 missiles per tube for a total of 16 missiles with 9M96s only, so with 9M100s it should be able to carry 64 missiles... which would look rather odd as they are much much shorter missiles...
    , yeah the 40 km range 9M100 missiles are only 2.5 metres long (against the more than 5,5 metres of the 120km range 9M96E2 and the 7.5 metres of the S400 missiles. I do not know if it is true, but I have read somewhere that the 400km range 40N6 is more than 11 metres long.

    Anyway i believe the russian missiles are cold launched. If so maybe they "could" be "layered", but one would have to count also the size of the cold launching system for each missile.


    And finally: maybe the idea of small dedicated launchers for the 9M100 missiles is not a bad idea at all. They could be used also in smaller ships and they could replace the 128 Tor VLS cells in Peter the great and the 192 Tor cells in Kuznetov.
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    Post  Hole Fri May 03, 2019 10:55 am

    Or something like the Gibhka launcher fitted with 8 x 9M100.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat May 04, 2019 1:13 am

    Isos wrote:https://sputniknews.com/world/201905031074663930-beluga-whale-russia-spying-norway-port/

    Russian Beluga spy in Norway. What a Face

    So this is why Japan is hunting all those whales they trying to kill all the commie spy whales
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    Post  Slevin Sat May 04, 2019 10:24 am

    Russian warships arrive in the Philippines for a goodwill visit amid rising tensions in the South China Sea.

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    Post  dino00 Wed May 08, 2019 12:14 pm

    Appointed new commander in chief of the Russian Navy

    Russian President Vladimir Putin appointed Nikolai Evmenov, who had been commander of the Northern Fleet since 2016, commander-in-chief of the Navy. He also replaced the commanders of the Black Sea and Northern Fleets. The relevant order of the head of state was read by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at a conference call on Wednesday, May 8.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu May 16, 2019 5:58 pm

    Russia currently considers an opportunity to expand the influence of the fleet to the waters of the Red Sea, the Gulf of Aden and the Persian Gulf, as well as to the western part of the Arabian Sea, for which the Pacific Fleet is now responsible.
    See more at http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/142389-russia_black_sea_fleet/
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    Post  Isos Sun May 19, 2019 1:33 pm

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    Post  Isos Tue May 28, 2019 11:42 am

    A Sov is burning in Severmosrsk. -1 ship for russian navy.

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    It is not the RFS Mitrofan Moskalenko, a Ivan Rogov Class landing ship that is burning, but the RFS Gremyashiy, a Sovremennyy Class destroyer
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue May 28, 2019 12:23 pm

    Isos wrote:A Sov is burning in Severmosrsk. -1 ship for russian navy.

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    It is not the RFS Mitrofan Moskalenko, a Ivan Rogov Class landing ship that is burning, but the RFS Gremyashiy, a Sovremennyy Class destroyer

    Either that guy mixed up the names or he is lying the Gremyashly or known in Russia has the Hull Number 870, Thundering.

    Was decommissioned in 2006, now if Russia did burn down an active duty one down that is some next level incompetence, I did not think them capable of.

    But leave it to them to surprise me again IF they did burn one down.
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    Post  Isos Tue May 28, 2019 1:12 pm

    Well one ship is burning. There is a video on that same twitter account but they don't seem to know which one. Previously they said it was a Ivan rogov class.

    Maybe it is a decomissioned Sov. They don't many of them active so it isn't a big lose if it is the case. They can cut it more easily then.
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    Post  George1 Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:11 pm

    A heavily average repair with a partial modernization of pr. 11540 "Neustrashimy" appears to be coming to an end.

    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/205763.html
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:22 pm

    This is the kind of Warship Russia really needs..
    as their most universal ,produced warship..

    Project 20386 corvette

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    https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.blogspot.com/2018/10/lead-ship-derzky-project-20386-plan-to.html


    Don't be fooled by the size , Is a corvette with nearly the same or even better capabilities
    that Russia first generation Steregushchiy class , "stealth" frigates  ,but that is more stealthier ,more safer ,more economical just 80 crew.. instead of ~130 and with longer range.. (up to 9300km) and it have superior cruise missiles kalibrs.. while the frigate use the much older and inferior kh-35 cruise missiles .

    in my opinion , the ideal Russian surface navy , if i could design it..
    it will be a cheap/effective very stealthy core force,made of ~x100 -120 multi purpose coastal+blue waters Corvettes like Project 20386  ,combined and lead with x5 destroyer of the leader class armed with S-400 and S-500 plus hypersonic missiles.  each corvette also could be operating a couple of underwater monitor submarine mini drones.. searching for mines or enemy subs or underwater sabotage groups.. (for comparisons Russia already have more than 70x corvettes.. so is to replace those corvettes with this new one) but also Russia have a lot of near useless junk soviet ships in service too ,and useless aircraft carrier.. with the huge money Russia will save in payroll from the big and rusty warships, decomisioning their old soviet warships and destroyers.. they will have the money to build
    an economic -modern and very efficient navy.
    So 1 leader class destroyer could end being escorted by 20x cheap but effective corvettes.. each warships in the formation armed with underwater search drones , anti mining and other support ships. and then you build 5 destroyers leader class and all those escorted by 20 modern corvettes... not even a mosquito will enter in that zone.. with all the air defenses and electronic jamming ..

    What we see in Syria in land wars , is the kind of wars ,we will continue to see in the future from NATO ,one that they hide their hands.. and use pirates/mercenaries/private military contractors/terrorist in the front line..and their military forces not far from there behind them supplying logistics and weapons.. and mass waves of drones will become more and more abused.. not only in mass waves of air attacks but also mass waves of underwater kamikazi drones will happen too..

    and so it will be a mistake to have too many super Big warships ,that are big targets for the enemy..  Also by having a *fully sealed corvette*.. (About fucking time) , you can protect better your warships against NATO navy seals sabotage groups ,that could board a warship and kill anyone distracted/sleeping with the goal to capture a warship and steal its missiles..  
    So Russia must prepare for more and more guerrilla/proxy undercover warfare.
    They are already targeting Russia military base almost every day.. so what stop NATO
    from doing the same to Russian warships? and later say.. it was a terrorist?

    all those corvettes can launch 8 kalibr missiles.. but working in group.. with just 10X corvettes ,they could launch 80x anti ship /cruise missiles that could pose a serious danger for any NATO naval fleet.. specially if Russia have the option to arm a couple of the missiles in the corvettes with nuclear warheads..

    Most attack submarines of Russia also will be more productive/economical if majority are corvette like smaller.. and each kilo size submarine should be armed with at least 1 hypersonic Zircon missile..in addition to their 8-16 kalibr missiles.. that way Russia navy can effectively counter US navy even on Deep waters fight.. without having to spend a fortune in large warships and cut in half or in 2/3 the huge cost Russia navy needs to spend in salaries of big crews..

    Airforce however is even more deadlier..
    If Russia could mass produce mig-41 in at least 50x of them..
    and each one could carry internally one hypersonic nuclear armed missile , that will be a real serious power what Russia will enjoy .. for first time an airforce that can truly enter near a NATO navies zone ,launch from safe distance a nuclear armed hypersonic missile and leave untouched in a surprise attack..  the faster Russia mass produce those hypersonic missiles and produce the carriers.. and start offering them to its allies.. like China ,Venezuela or IRAN ,and even Mexico ,the sooner you will see NATO being forced to a negotiating table ,for nuclear and hypersonic disarmament and with Russia having the upper hand.. demanding US to remove all their bases from Europe.. as precondition to any mutual disarmament.


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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:33 pm

    Vann7 wrote:This is the kind of Warship Russia really needs..
    as their most universal ,produced warship..

    Project 20386 corvette...


    I apologise to everyone for saying that 20386 is a good idea

    I was so wrong, I am sorry


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    Post  dino00 Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:11 pm

    20 Corvette for one Leader is too much, by a big margin.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:04 am

    dino00 wrote:20 Corvette for one Leader is too much, by a big margin.

    Don 't think so...

    NATO can pull easily a couple of hundred of planes/kamikazi drones and so Leader Destroyer
    will need a lot of help to counter those powerful saturation attacks.. Russia can't even
    protect Syria of all missiles strikes of Israel.. even with all the modern weapons they got
    and trainning..   In the attack of Syria alone.. in the second cruise missile attack..
    according to the Minister of defense of Russia.. US,UK and France ,had enough power near Syria in warships positioned to launch 300 cruise missiles..  And those Corvettes is limited
    the interceptions they can do... from 20 to 30 planes.. however if they deployed in big numbers.. and with automatic command control ,works as a team.. then it can shield
    the Russian lead destroyer..

     So having extra protection and not need it.. is better than not having it ,and the destroyer be sinked in a saturation air drones or under water drones attack..

    100 combat planes can launch 4 cruise missiles each.. and thats like 400 cruise missiles in one warship ,that will saturate it with ease.. thats where the Corvettes comes in play..
    same with underwater submarines and underwater drones.. Russia adversaries practice a lot saturation attacks.. because will always work if your air defenses need to handle more missiles than interceptors they have.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:08 pm

    The main ships of the Navy will remain the Soviet "old men"
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:58 am


    Anyone care to guess what's Russian Coast Guard patrol ship Zhemchug doing in Istanbul?

    https://twitter.com/YorukIsik/status/1140604530490511360

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    Post  hoom Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:30 am

    Just a friendly neighbourly visit I think.
    I believe there's been several previously in last few years.
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    Post  George1 Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:42 pm

    Patrol ship "Vasily Bykov" project 22160 in the Spanish port of Ceuta

    The new Russian patrol ship of project 22160 "Vasily Bykov", making the transition from the Black Sea to the Baltic to participate in the main naval parade, on Tuesday [June 18, 2019] entered the port of the Spanish enclave in northern Morocco, Ceuta.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:48 pm


    HI Sutton's low-ball estimate of Russian CASD fleet up to 2040 (more Borei-A could be added but these are ones confirmed so far)

    http://www.hisutton.com/Russian_Navy_Submarine_Outlook_2019-2040.html

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    Post  George1 Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:41 pm

    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided to dispose of the submarine Zaporozhye (U-001) of Project 641, which the Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine refused to collect from the Crimea. This is evidenced by the corresponding decision announced by the Russian Ministry of Defense at a tender for the disposal of a number of ships.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3681856.html
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    Post  hoom Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:22 am

    Heh, reminds me: a while back I saw a story that Russia had officially offered to hand over I think all (maybe minus a couple) the captured Ukrainian navy ships 'just send some tugs over & take them away' but the 404s were refusing to collect on the basis that doing so would negatively affect their legal case in an (I forget which) international court complaining that Russia wasn't handing over the captured ships lol1 dunno
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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:12 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1142755186043162624



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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:14 pm

    I wonder why they didn't go for angled launchers for Oniks. Anyway 16 Uran is a big ammount and could even sink destroyers.

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