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    Crimea and ex-Ukrainian/Black Sea regions integration into RF

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    Post  franco Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:54 pm

    Ukrainian business will lose 500 objects in Crimea - Parliament approved the list



    The State Council of Crimea by absentee vote agreed on a list of objects subject to nationalization, since their owners are committing unfriendly actions against Russia.

    The list includes 500 buildings, structures, land plots related to various enterprises and banks, tourist and sports infrastructure, said the head of the State Council Vladimir Konstantinov, a PolitNavigator correspondent reports.

    “The work of the anti-terrorist commission to identify the property of accomplices of the Kyiv regime in Crimea will continue. We will not allow those who sponsor the murders of our soldiers, crimes against Russian people, civilians to earn money on our land, ”he said in his Telegram channel.

    The day before, Konstantinov specified that the property of 12 Ukrainian banks would be nationalized: Finance and Credit, Bank Forum, UkrSibbank, Imexbank, Piraeus Bank MKB, AB Express-Bank, Joint Stock Prominvest Bank ”, “Ukrainian Joint Stock Commercial Industrial Investment Bank”, “Ukrsotsbank”, “State Export-Import Bank of Ukraine”, “Nadra”, “MTB BANK”.

    Also, the property of the Kyiv football club "Dynamo", including two land plots of 28 and 30 thousand square meters in the village of Ordzhonikidze, will become the property of the republic.

    Recall that in 2003 the property complex of KFK "Start" in Ordzhonikidze was leased to the football club "Dynamo Kyiv" for 49 years. The Kyiv oligarch Grigory Surkis dreamed of making a sports and training base for his team in Ordzhonikidze with football fields, a 4-story hotel, a gym, swimming pools, etc. In exchange, he promised to extend a gas pipeline to the village. The plans were first pushed back by the financial crisis, then by the political one, and now the leased land has ended up in another state.

    The Feodosia administration decided to play back and return 2.8 hectares near the sea to municipal property. But she lost the litigation, having deliberately taken the wrong position, stating “the use of the site for other purposes” as the basis. Whereas the land under the sports complex and the stadium in the village of Ordzhonikidze was put up for sale for 130 million rubles.

    The new list of "dispossessed" includes ex-people's deputy Nestor Shufrych, oligarchs Renat Akhmetov and Igor Kolomoisky, although the latter has been "dispossessed" by the authorities since 2014, ex-Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

    Villa "Elena" in Yalta, which is owned by Lithuanian citizen Kolas Igoris, will go into republican ownership, Lebanese businessman Rafik Daw Bulos (Akhmetov's partner) will lose his enterprise JSC "Stroydetal" in Feodosia.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun May 14, 2023 6:29 am

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    Repair of the Crimean bridge is fully completed.

    The Ministry of Transport announced that traffic is open on the second railway track.

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    Post  franco Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:16 am

    The Minister of Transport of Crimea, Nikolay Lukashenko , said that it would take a maximum of several weeks to restore the Chongarsky bridge damaged as a result of the shelling. He stated this on the air of the Crimea 24 TV channel .

    “If we take the full restoration of the bridge structure, that is, the span that is damaged, it will take a maximum of several weeks, since it is necessary to order the appropriate materials,” he said.

    According to him, the issue of traffic along one of the lanes is currently being resolved.

    https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog/social/news/2023/06/22/20721464.shtml?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:47 am

    Not the Crimea as such, but fits in with this topic

    Restoration of Mariupol progress

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    Post  Firebird Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:50 am

    It will be interesting what route Mariupol goes in the future.
    Heavy industry, lighter industry or tourism on its prime coastal slots.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:55 am

    They claimed once that Azovstal won't be reestablished.
    But on the other hand, it is extremely costly both to bring it back into operation and take it down. It is extremely heavy industrial infrastructure of the 50s ...

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    Post  lancelot Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:55 am

    From what I heard Azovstal is not going to continue operating. But Ilyich Steel will continue.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:24 am



    Beach season in Mariupol in full swing by now Cool

    Shame our lakes around St. Petersburg and the Gulf of Finland is still a little cold to swim in, although there should be plenty of people on the beaches.
    As I heard the lakes and rivers are still too cold in Moscow too.
    No such problem on the Sea of Azov though.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:47 am

    With the Azov becoming internal Russian sea, the tourism potential of the whole area is mindblowing. The coastline increased to the insane length, and what is more important - south is getting too hot for comfortable holidays. Temperatures in Turkey now can easily achieve 40 deg., which is simply unhealthy. Same applies to the south of Portugal, Spain, Sicily, Greek islands, Cyprus etc. Soon, tourism will move north.

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    Post  Firebird Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:24 am

    The Northern Black Sea and Azov Sea certainly have appeal climate wise, esp for the domestic markets of the Russian World.

    The question is what particular places become. Mariupol currently has industrial landscapes in view of the beach.
    Which isn't a problem for local people. However, if it is looking for tourists from further afield, Mariupol might need to decide if its focus in that coastal area will be tourism or industry.

    Russia cannot make the mistake of Europe and delude itself it can be somehow "post industrial".

    What will prob be required is a grand strategic plan for all the liberated coastal areas when the special op eventually ends.

    Hopefully the coast from Western Odessa all the way to Abkhazia will be Russian eventually. Many picturesque coastal sites... and some that could be converted to picturesque... if so required.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:35 am

    A huge benefit of the situation is a fact, that entire sealine there is underdeveloped. There is hardly any infrastructure there.
    Which is a great opportunity to construct a whole clusters of modern resorts from scratch.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:15 am

    Firebird wrote:The Northern Black Sea and Azov Sea certainly have appeal climate wise, esp for the domestic markets of the Russian World.

    The question is what particular places become. Mariupol currently has industrial landscapes in view of the beach.
    Which isn't a problem for local people. However, if it is looking for tourists from further afield, Mariupol might need to decide if its focus in that coastal area will be tourism or industry.

    Russia cannot make the mistake of Europe and delude itself it can be somehow "post industrial".

    What will prob be required is a grand strategic plan for all the liberated coastal areas when the special op eventually ends.

    Concerning Mariupol and azovstal, I already posted in another thread (since we do not have yet a dedicated thread about integration of Novorossia). Both azovstal and ilych steel are old and possibly barely modernised.

    Furthermore the first was almost completely destroyed, it is extremely polluting and it is in a potentially very good area near the sea.., maybe a shipyard can also be created there.

    As far as the second, it was probably in better condition but I am not sure Russia has the needs of it currently.

    Possibly is better if needed to build a new steel plant either still in Donbass or somewhere else and find new employment for the people.

    I believe Mariupol and the Azov coast need a bit of everything, tourism and industry (both light and heavy)

    Firebird wrote:
    Hopefully the coast from Western Odessa all the way to Abkhazia will be Russian eventually. Many picturesque coastal sites... and some that could be converted to picturesque... if so required.

    Off topic answer from me.

    I agree for all Novorossia from the Danube to the Azov sea. Not for Abkhazia. I still hope a solution is found with Georgia, also for the return of the Georgian refugees that had to leave the region.

    Please take into account that the so called "Abkhazian" are a population that came from North Caucasus a few hundreds years ago and that they were never the absolute majority of the population in Abkhazia.

    More than 50 % of the inhabitants of that region before the war in the 90s were ethnic Georgians and almost the entirety of them was forced to leave (except for a few people near the border with the Georgian region of Samegrelo, like in Gali).

    Basically a lot of mistakes were done in the 90s there and also atrocities from all sides (including torture and killing of the former (ethnic Georgian) governor of Abkhazia and the dissacration of corpses (i.e. militants playing football with human heads)

    Possibly in the future an agreement with Georgia can be found, with maybe guarantees for both ethnic groups and sort of autonomous status within Georgia, with locally (in Abkhazia) both Georgian and Russian as official languages and having Abkhazian and Mingrelian as recognised regional languages

    I would even add maybe some nice statues of Stalin and Beria in the middle of Sokhumi.

    Of course this should be linked (like in the constitution) with removing the pro-eu and pro American direction of Georgia and the removal of all American labs and pro-eu and pro American NGO and the mantainment forever of the 2 large russian bases in Abkhazia.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:13 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:I agree for all Novorossia from the Danube to the Azov sea. Not for Abkhazia. I still hope a solution is found with Georgia, also for the return of the Georgian refugees that had to leave the region.

    Please take into account that the so called "Abkhazian" are a population that came from North Caucasus a few hundreds years ago and that they were never the absolute majority of the population in Abkhazia.

    More than 50 % of the inhabitants of that region before the war in the 90s were ethnic Georgians and almost the entirety of them was forced to leave (except for a few people near the border with the Georgian region of Samegrelo, like in Gali).

    Basically a lot of mistakes were done in the 90s there and also atrocities from all sides (including torture and killing of the former (ethnic Georgian) governor of Abkhazia and the dissacration of corpses (i.e. militants playing football with human heads)

    Possibly in the future an agreement with Georgia can be found, with maybe guarantees for both ethnic groups and sort of autonomous status within Georgia, with locally (in Abkhazia) both Georgian and Russian as official languages and having Abkhazian and Mingrelian as recognised regional languages

    I would even add maybe some nice statues of Stalin and Beria in the middle of Sokhumi.

    Of course this should be linked (like in the constitution) with removing the pro-eu and pro American direction of Georgia and the removal of all American labs and pro-eu and pro American NGO and the mantainment forever of the 2 large russian bases in Abkhazia.

    The Abkhaz are related to the Circassian peoples further north (Cherkess, Abazins, Shapsugs, Kabardinians). All of them are among the oldest cultures in the Caucasus that have survived to this day

    But I agree with finding a solution for Georgia and that Abkhazia one way or the other was part of Georgia for a very long time now. It seems to me that this is the way things are headed. But no-one in Abkhazia will be happy about it, despite how much their culture has borrowed from the Georgian one.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:01 pm

    It will be interesting what route Mariupol goes in the future.
    Heavy industry, lighter industry or tourism on its prime coastal slots.

    Russia has thousands of ships it needs built and that is just civilian ships, and they need transport planes built and civilian airliners built and that is just the domestic market... there is the rest of the world that is sick of dealing with the US and the west in general and would love to buy Russian equipment, vehicles and vessels.

    Africa is sick of the wests BS in particular... but China is recognising what dicks they are as well, and Asia and Central and South America always knew.

    The more the west and the US tries to contain and isolate Russia the more the rest of the world will get sick of their BS and attempts to force them not to buy Russian and to buy western stuff instead... how does everyone think that is going to go?

    However, if it is looking for tourists from further afield, Mariupol might need to decide if its focus in that coastal area will be tourism or industry.

    Maybe ship building could be an option... or light aircraft construction or both?

    A huge benefit of the situation is a fact, that entire sealine there is underdeveloped. There is hardly any infrastructure there.
    Which is a great opportunity to construct a whole clusters of modern resorts from scratch.

    Exactly... if you don't like the industrial views then move 10km down the coastline and create a settlement there... which will also solve the problem of locals having to put up with tourists... your workers could come from nearby areas to work in the tourist town and then go home at night to no all night parties and drunk idiots on holiday.

    Most tourist towns love the money the tourists bring but usually end up hating the antics and BS they bring too... especially ignorant foreign tourists... who think everyone understands English as long as you should it loud enough and say it often enough. Embarassed

    Of course this should be linked (like in the constitution) with removing the pro-eu and pro American direction of Georgia and the removal of all American labs and pro-eu and pro American NGO and the mantainment forever of the 2 large russian bases in Abkhazia.

    Which no Georgian political party will ever agree to...

    But I agree with finding a solution for Georgia and that Abkhazia one way or the other was part of Georgia for a very long time now. It seems to me that this is the way things are headed. But no-one in Abkhazia will be happy about it, despite how much their culture has borrowed from the Georgian one.

    There is no value in forcing people to live together if they don't want to, there will be no solution any time soon, but equally there is a lot of hostility on both sides so I doubt anyone on the street would be happy with any compromise anyway... no matter what the politicians decide.




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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:53 am

    If Odessa, Niko, Kherson, Zapo, Dnipro, Kharkov, Poltava are liberated, this pretty much the whole of the Ukrainian industry lol! Yes it will need modernizing but a newly liberated population will want jobs, better infrastructure, better public services, and of course it will take time, but prospects with Russian integration is far more positive looking than staying with Ukraine.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:50 pm

    There is the UXO clean up first...
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:24 am

    The Crimean chain of gas stations "TES" (founded in Crimea in 1992, continued as a Russian company post-2014) has now expanded into RF-controlled Zaporozhie, I noticed. Filling stations in Melitopol and Berdyansk.

    When the West sanctioned the big Russian banks last year, all it did was to remove any remaining hurdles for them to establish Crimean operations, lend money to Crimean companies etc.

    Not sure if directly connected, but there are a lot of expansions going on, and absolutely no incentive to hold back.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:31 am

    Mariupol again. Not bad for a war-zone Cool

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:49 pm

    ALAMO wrote:With the Azov becoming internal Russian sea, the tourism potential of the whole area is mindblowing. The coastline increased to the insane length, and what is more important - south is getting too hot for comfortable holidays. Temperatures in Turkey now can easily achieve 40 deg., which is simply unhealthy. Same applies to the south of Portugal, Spain, Sicily, Greek islands, Cyprus etc. Soon, tourism will move north.

    Good luck with that. Azov sea is, basically, shallow brackish lake that is also pretty polluted due to decades of heavy industrial activity on its coast. Aside from locals, i fail to see anyone being ready to spend serious cash with Crimean coast next door. It is good enough as a waterway for export of Donbas industrial and agricultural products.

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    Post  PhSt Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:46 pm

    speaking about Azov sea, I saw an interview a couple of months about the future plans for the Azovstal plant, officials claimed that there are no plans to rebuild the plant, and instead, it will be developed into some kind of resort area.

    But isn't this a waste of potential for this plant? I mean the industrial capacity this plant could offer Russia can be huge given its vast size. Unless Russia has enough industrial areas someplace else to take over its duties.

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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:56 pm

    The plant is nearly totally trashed and is old infrastructure. May as well build a new plant in a better location instead of fixing this one. It will
    improve the quality of life in the city.



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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:59 am

    kvs wrote:The plant is nearly totally trashed and is old infrastructure.   May as well build a new plant in a better location instead of fixing this one.   It will
    improve the quality of life in the city.

    Exactly. And if they want to use the area for industries, a shipyard there would be much more appropriate.

    The locals would for sure enjoy not having their water and air polluted by an almost 100 years old never upgraded steel factory.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:41 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Good luck with that. Azov sea is, basically, shallow brackish lake that is also pretty polluted due to decades of heavy industrial activity on its coast. Aside from locals, i fail to see anyone being ready to spend serious cash with Crimean coast next door. It is good enough as a waterway for export of Donbas industrial and agricultural products.

    You are right and wrong same time. That's not bad Very Happy
    It is a lake indeed, filled with several quite impressive rivers.
    Considering its amazing shallow depth, that means it needs to push out the water on a daily basis.
    And it does.
    Termination of Azovstal production ended up with a quantum leap of water quality in the Mariopol basin improving in less than half of a year.
    Sure we can't judge if the business will put its cash on that, but this year I was picking a holiday destination using max temp. Not more than 30C... Am I the only one? Hardly.

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    Post  kvs Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:28 pm

    The problem is the contamination in the sediments. That is what will take a very long time to flush out and not even completely.
    The contamination deeper in the sediment is basically trapped there.

    I suppose they could try to dredge some of the most contaminated areas which will temporarily reintroduce the contaminants into
    the water column but as you point out the flow will flush this into the Black Sea.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:37 am

    It is a case of any river bypassing industrial zones, unfortunately.
    In some cases, when a waterway is being digged/deepened, all the mud taken out is being stored in separate places because is toxic.
    Still, everything that is being pumped into Azov basin, will end up in the Black Sea anyway. And Russian environmental conditions and laws won't be Ukrainian anymore ... It will only improve with time.

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