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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:58 am

    Wagner shot down 3 helicopters (presumably all in Vornoezh) and they have people in Milerovo airbase where FighterBomber TG reports that they let VKS operate, but only with Wagner permission

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:58 am

    Serberus wrote:Fighting reported in Voronezh , probably true considering the governors statement

    🇷🇺 The governor of the Voronezh region said that security forces are carrying out operational and combat activities in the region as part of the CTO regime introduced this morning.

    Does Putin now regret starting the SMO?

    If you wanna start a war then start a war. Not an SMO.

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    Post  Erk Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:05 am

    The way I understand it, is the MOD contract with Wagner expired on 21st. of May, and the MOD didn't want to renew it. Probably because of the social media embarrassment Wagner have caused with their MOD complaints.

    So, Wagner have 25,000 professional military out of a job.

    Follow the money trail.

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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:08 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Does Putin now regret starting the SMO?
    If you wanna start a war then start a war. Not an SMO.

    Who knows what is in his head. But I am sure he regrets granting PMCs power.

    This is a shitshow, there are no guarantees that there won’t be another circus like that.


    By the way, 
    If multiple reports from TG are true, Wagner has Pantsirs in Voronezh. Operating from city itself and they shot down An-26.. pale

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    Post  Isos Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:12 am

    Erk wrote:The way I understand it, is the MOD contract with Wagner expired on 21st. of May, and the MOD didn't want to renew it. Probably because of the social media embarrassment Wagner have caused with their MOD complaints.

    So, Wagner have 25,000 professional military out of a job.

    Follow the money trail.

    They have lot of contracts with the african states so not really...

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:14 am

    Regular wrote:

    If multiple reports from TG are true, Wagner has Pantsirs in Voronezh. Operating from city itself and they shot down An-26.. pale



    AH nvm maybe it's indeed new. Fighter Bomber updated it.

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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:19 am

    Former head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin, who fought and was wounded in the Donbass: "I know the situation at the front as well as Prigozhin and I have never concealed my position, but no matter how the armed rebellion is explained, it is still precisely an armed rebellion in the rear of a warring army. In war, you need to shove your political ambitions up your ass and support the front with all your might. Any attempt to weaken it is nothing but aiding the enemy."

    Will Schryver:
    Well that was the most lame attempt at a coup d'etat I've ever seen. A couple old tanks and a couple dozen trucks carrying a couple hundred disheveled "soldiers" in ill-fitting uniforms. The modest parade was escorted by Rosgvardia into Rostov; Prigozhin pretended to "occupy" the city, then he had a chat with a couple generals, after which he and his motley group of "insurrectionists" drove away again. Now Putin says they're all in VERY big trouble and will be dealt with promptly and harshly. That's it, folks. Show's over. We will now resume the war where we left off a few hours ago.

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    Post  Erk Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:46 am

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    Post  Isos Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:52 am

    Well I still think it's a show for pushing ukro into a big offensive.

    But if it is real then it is quite understandable. Wagner did most of the work in Africa, Syria and Ukraine.

    Meanwhile MoD only observed and the political will to end this war is nowhere neither do they ambition to really win. The overall russian strategy was weak since the begining. Few days ago we learned they lost the positions around Kiev because of another dumb signature on a paper made by Nato.
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    Post  Serberus Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:54 am

    Just part of the “show”

    https://t.me/swodki/275337

    ➡ An oil depot is on fire in Voronezh
    ➡ Helicopter Ka-52 of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the sky over Voronezh at the time of the explosion at the oil depot.
    It is not yet known whether he is involved in this incident.


    🇷🇺⚡Prigozhin said he would not lay down his arms and would not obey the demand of Putin, the FSB or anyone else. Now this is a rebellion without any if and but.
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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:57 am

    If it’s a show to make Russia look dysfunctional, then it’s working. Only in NAFOid dreams this could have happened. 

    Wagner PMC advertisements and posters are going down in Crimea. They are done for. All could have been fixed by “nationalising” them after Bakhmut, many people, even here, warned about warlordism

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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:59 am

    Kadyrov's statement regarding ongoing situation:

    Friends, it's been a busy night and the flights [I've been on] have not given me time to voice my position on this vile BETRAYAL!

    Everything that is happening is a KNIFE IN THE BACK and a real military rebellion!

    I have repeatedly warned that war is not the time to voice personal grievances and resolve disputes in our rear. The home front must always be calm and secure. Imagine how the guys in the trenches feel now, with the enemy in their face, while behind them a traitorous enterprise [is playing out]. [We must think] about stability, about state cohesion, about the security of citizens.

    History shows that such actions can lead to bloody consequences. Have we not enough losses in the SMO? Do we still have to create problems within the country?

    We have a Supreme Commander-in-Chief, elected by the people, who knows the whole situation in minute detail better than any strategist, much less a businessman, calls up the commanders on the ground himself and has full control over the course of SMO. And the Commander-in-Chief's decisions are taken in a measured, meticulous manner. Each of us sees only one part of the map, but he sees it all as a whole! And it is absolutely right that Vladimir Vladimirovich noted in his address to the nation—this is a military mutiny! There is no justification for such actions!
    I fully support every word of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin!

    I appeal to our fighters—patriots of our Motherland. Do not fall for provocations. Whatever goals they may be trying to achieve, whatever promises they may be making to you—state security and the cohesion of the Russian society at a time like this are above all! Look at how our enemies in the West are taking advantage of this situation. Look at how many innuendos, how many lies, how many false appeals that frighten our citizens and create the danger of a destabilizing situation there are. And these are the expected consequences of Prigozhin's treasonous march.

    What is happening is not an ultimatum to the Ministry of Defence. It is a challenge to the state, and against this challenge it is necessary [that all of us] rally around our national leader: The military, the security forces, the governors, the civilian population.

    Soldiers of the Ministry of Defence and the Rosgvardia of the Chechen Republic are already on their way to the zones of tension. We will do everything in our power to preserve the unity of Russia and to protect her statehood!

    The insurgency must be put down, and if tough measures have to be taken to do so, we are ready!

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    Post  Werewolf Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:02 pm

    I see the zoo is rattling on the bars.
    That's usually a good indicator of coordinated ZIPSO.
    And looking at the time stamps of the usual animals from the zoo it is only reinforcing my thoughts on the entire spectacle.
    2 ZIPSO re-activated posters and 4 Trittbrettfahrer russophobes who just like to troll.


    I will continue observing but might add one little thing...preparations of a 3rd country getting involved by the end of this year or by early next year is about to take place. This show has a purpose in legal and society terms.

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    Post  Erk Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:03 pm

    Wagner's reputation is finished, nobody is going to want them.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:09 pm

    Incidents like this can't be hidden. Someone will pay for it.



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    Confirmed: Pic of downed a #Russian helicopter by #PMCWagner

    A Closer Image has been released of the Russian Helicopter that was reportedly Shot Down by Wagner PMC Forces earlier today near the City of Pavlovsk in the Voronezh Region; it appears to be one of the Mi-8MTRP-1 Electronic Warfare Platforms.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:09 pm

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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:13 pm

    Prigo is idiot then.

    He will end up in jail or dead and his power gone.

    Should have retired and stayed with Africa and Middle East

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    Post  crod Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:15 pm

    kill this **** - should have been done 3 mths ago. Unforgivable.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:16 pm

    There was too much hype arround both him in person and Wagner.
    So much that it really looked pre-staged.
    Objectively they performed not much better than Chechen Rosgvardia, still all of RUS media sphere was crazy about them.
    Like prepaid, you know.

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    Post  zorobabel Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:19 pm

    There is video of the An-25 going down. Won't post it, terrible sight.

    Video of the oil depot being struck in Vorozneh by an attack helicopter: https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1672543909547745280

    Wagner shouldn't have the forces to take on the MoD but I guess they can make a big mess. Stinks to high heaven.

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    Post  Erk Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:24 pm

    Who would pay the Wagner Group to take on the Russian MoD?
    They are mercenaries.

    Follow the money trail.

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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:25 pm

    ALAMO wrote:There was too much hype arround both him in person and Wagner.
    So much that it really looked pre-staged.
    Objectively they performed not much better than Chechen Rosgvardia, still all of RUS media sphere was crazy about them.
    Like prepaid, you know.

    Prepaid by Russian taxpayers too. And them being better than Chechens… well, core Wagner are ex-SF guys with multiple tours. Their experience is equivalent to of best SSO units. I am not sure they are the ones on the streets. It seems Wagner guys who post online are sitting it out and you can understand why

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    Who would pay the Wagner Group to take on the Russian MoD?
    They are mercenaries.

    Follow the money trail.

    You know, prigozhin is quite rich and he was raking a fortune from Russia
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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:26 pm

    "SMO" may be superseded by "CTO"

    In case anyone missed it, regardless of what you believe on how real or not this whole Prigozhin story is, within the message delivered by the President were these important words:

    "...additional anti-terrorist measures are being introduced in Moscow, the Moscow region, and a number of other regions."

    Move over SMO, the CTO (Counter Terrorist Operation) may be here. The differences in Russian law between an SMO and CTO are very serious.

    Special Military Operation (SMO) is a conventional term which describes the scope of current Russian operations in Ukraine. The conduct of the SMO does not affect life within Russia in any significant legal sense. A CTO by contrast, is a legal framework with key implications for Russian citizens, as well as people living in the area of operations.

    The CTO regime is introduced and canceled by the head of Russia's FSB. As such it is primarily a national security measure. The purpose of a CTO regime is to prevent or minimise the consequences of any and all threats to national security, such as (but not limited to) terrorist attacks.

    A brief summary of CTO legal implications:
    • FSB officers become part of the command structure of the military operation and participate in military planning and decision making at the highest levels.
    • Conscripted soldiers may be utilised in combat operations (not just mobilized reservists).
    • Security services may requisition property of citizens such as personal vehicles, warehouses etc for CTO use.
    • Strict powers of control over the exchange of information.
    • Communication means may be disconnected by security services without notice.
    • Unimpeded access to any CTO employee into any premises in Russia without the need for legal warrant.
    • Restrictions on freedom of movement
    • Employees of FSB, Ministry of Interior, Ministry of Emergency Situations and others, become part of the CTO.
    • Expanded powers to security forces in who may be designated a hostile combatant. This opens the door to targeted destruction of non-military individuals.



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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:28 pm

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    CIPSO is preparing provocations in connection with the situation around PMC "Wagner"

    Ukrainian insiders report that the Office of the President instructed the SBU and CIPSO to use the entire network of telegram channels in Russia to escalate the situation in Russian society.

    The task is to provoke an internal political conflict so that a civil war in the Russian Federation begins. The conflict between PMCs and the military is beneficial primarily to the Kyiv regime

    The head of the GUR of Ukraine, Budanov, voices the narratives of the Office of the President, which should now become the basis for the CIPSO campaign. For office President, at the moment, it doesn’t matter how real the conflict is, the main thing is to undermine the domestic political situation in Russia in order to reverse the negative track with the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

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    Post  Tolstoy Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:34 pm

    Driving around Moscow found several trucks that usually ply around Moscow 24/7. None of these trucks are bringing in Wagner group members into Moscow as western fake news is claiming.

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