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    Post  mnztr Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:13 pm

    Can all y’all please stop wasting server space ranting about irrelevant bullshit like fumes? wrote:

    its not irrelevant. If the turret is full of fumes how you gonna see the targeting screens and use the controls.. let alone being gassed. for example: https://breakingdefense.com/2023/02/army-working-fix-for-mobile-protected-firepower-toxic-fume-challenge/

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    Post  Isos Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:50 pm

    Some reliable source on Twitter stated that the glide bomb kit
    is now in "mass-production" and that soon dozens if not 100+
    attacks will happen each day.

    Looks very cheap so mass production should be an issue. Even with 100 per month would be desastrous for ukrainians.

    It also seems to be quite precise. They probably put a cheap GPS/Glonass receiver inside with movable wings.

    If it has a 20m precision it is enough to use only smaller cheaper bomb like 250kg. With such precision and warhead no need for anything bigger.

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    Post  TMA1 Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:11 pm



    Go to 14:33. Thr fume extractors on the t-64/t-80 and t-72/t-90 variants is very minimal and indeed particularly with apfsds lots of smoke comes back into the cabin, where it is then sucked away via the ventilation system. The vents in the image posted earlier I think are purely for air conditioning. No, it isn't a huge deal. Why? Because these vehicles were designed based upon doctrine and specific demands of the military. Now bad shortcuts are made and criticisms are always valid but I can make a pretty safe assumption that these concerne have been brought up before.

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    Post  Scorpius Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:31 pm


    The issue of "Military Approoved" about the work of military doctors in SMO conditions.

    In the area of the timing of 14:00, the video reports that Russian microsurgeons have developed a technique for preserving the viability of severed limbs and restoring their functions after the reintegration of the wounded.


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    Post  ALAMO Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:42 pm

    A pic worth a thousand words.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sat Apr 01, 2023 5:15 pm

    @Spriter99880
    today Zelensky imposed sanctions on Anna Surovikina, the wife of military general Sergei Surovikin.
    We are waiting for General Armageddon's retaliatory sanctions on Kiev, Lviv and other military goals
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    @Spriter99880
    How dark. Bishop Pavel wears an electronic device on his leg
    Church freedom in Ukraine is in dark


    @Spriter99880
    Meanwhile, in the Kyiv-Pechersk Lavra. The bravest people of Ukraine.
    They don't give holy things.


    @Spriter99880
    The Russian Armed Forces fired incendiary shells at the combat positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Ugledar

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sat Apr 01, 2023 5:25 pm


    @Trollstoy88
    Russian "Black Eagle" tank soon entering in SMO area to hunt "Leopards" and other NATO menageries.
    It' based on T-80U MBT with a new design turret.
    It's rmed with a 152 mm cannon, a coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun and a remote anti-aircraft gun with a 12.7 mm Kord machine gun.
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    How many units are there?

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Apr 01, 2023 5:31 pm

    https://youtu.be/K0NabV9YCE0

    Airborne wolf

    Please download this to odysee the Wagner documentary

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:10 pm

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    Wasn´t that baby called "Black Eagle?" 125mm gun and ammo at the back of the turret.
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    This is the testbed with a 152mm gun.

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    Post  zorobabel Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:16 pm

    Unfortunately RU lost dozens of the best T-80's during the Kharkov collapse. I think about 5 dozen total were captured between T-80BV, T-80OU, T-80BVM's.
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:21 pm

    How many units are there?

    Zero.

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    Post  Mir Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:25 pm

    Russian "Black Eagle" tank soon entering in SMO area to hunt "Leopards" and other NATO menageries.

    Sure! Laughing Laughing What a Face

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    Post  Mir Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:28 pm

    @zorobabel

    You recon that up to 60 T80's were captured by the Nazis? That's a big number - even fro a troll Laughing

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    Post  Scorpius Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:28 pm

    https://t.me/SolovievLive/168424

    "The masquerade didn't help."

    Disguised Ukrainian militants were identified and destroyed. In violation of the rules and customs of warfare, Ukrainian militants in the Avdiivka direction in the course of their actions change into civilian clothes to avoid detection by drones and liquidation.

    But the operators of the UAV 87 regiment 1 of the Donetsk Army Corps managed to detect the moment when the disguised militants opened fire from a mortar. Retaliatory fire was opened on the Nazis, hitting their firing position and strong points equipped in houses..

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:50 pm

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    GMZ-3 active in the fields of Zaporoshye.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:51 pm

    New post Mir Today at 11:25 pm

    Russian "Black Eagle" tank soon entering in SMO area to hunt "Leopards" and other NATO menageries.

    Sure! Laughing Laughing What a Face


    But you see my point?
    Any village idiot can be a world-class analytic Laughing
    Does not require even a single piece of knowing what it is.
    Object 292 is a fukin' voo doo.
    You just had that shit a few posts above - to many fukin' technicals making the village people confused.

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    Post  Backman Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:00 pm

    @T1M
    The fume extractors on the t-64/t-80 and t-72/t-90 variants is very minimal and indeed particularly with apfsds lots of smoke comes back into the cabin, where it is then sucked away via the ventilation system.

    Did you watch your own video with the volume on ? The smoke is gone in seconds. And the commentator says it. WTF more do you want or need?

    All of these pages of BS thanks to dopey slack jawwed concern trolling by the usual concern trolls.

    A concern troll is someone who is on one side of the discussion, but pretends to be a supporter of the other side with "concerns". The idea behind this is that your opponents will take your arguments more seriously if they think you're an ally. We probably have F-16.net shills here. Laughing at us behind our backs over at HQ while they derail threads on this site. And anyone remotely doing the same at F-16.net gets banned after a just a few posts. It happened to me.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:50 pm

    There was only one Object 640 prototype built, so I dunno who is high enough to be thinking the russians are sending that thing into combat

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:58 am

    Well sieg, per "The Drive" and "International Business Times," Ukraine destroyed that tank on March 22 of last year. So either Russia has 2, Ukraine didn't knock it out, or the whole thing is bs

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    Post  mnztr Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:47 am

    The vents in the image posted earlier I think are purely for air conditioning. No, it isn't a huge deal. Why? Because these vehicles were designed based upon doctrine and specific demands of the military. Now bad shortcuts are made and criticisms are always valid but I can make a pretty safe assumption that these concerne have been brought up before. wrote:


    Yet there is one of the project leaders on the newest T-90 mod highlighting efforts to deal with gases from the gun. Hardly sexy stuff on a tank.

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    Post  Backman Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:53 am

    ^ He's taking the armchair engineer/concern troll to a whole new level. He really did see a problem with the T-90 from one 30 second clip and the engineers are on it.


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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 02, 2023 2:25 am

    It also seems to be quite precise. They probably put a cheap GPS/Glonass receiver inside with movable wings

    An autogyro and GLONASS receiver and make the tail fins moveable to steer the bomb should be fine.

    Go to 14:33. Thr fume extractors on the t-64/t-80 and t-72/t-90 variants is very minimal and indeed particularly with apfsds lots of smoke comes back into the cabin, where it is then sucked away via the ventilation system.

    If you look carefully a lot is sucked out of the small hatch that ejects the shell case, plus the fact that the camera is positioned behind the crewman where most of the smoke goes behind the gun between the two turret crew and is dispersed relatively quickly.

    The gunner will say when they fire so holding your breath for 20 seconds and you might not even breath in any fumes at all.

    How many units are there?

    None. The Black Eagle was never actually made, only a mockup vehicle was driven around defence expos, but they never actually made any AFAIK... ammo in the turret bustle was considered to be too exposed to enemy fire and AFAIK there was never any version with a 152mm calibre gun.

    Did you watch your own video with the volume on ? The smoke is gone in seconds. And the commentator says it. WTF more do you want or need?

    More importantly use your depth perception to see where the smoke actually is and where it goes... it appears directly behind the gun and disappears rather quickly without suffocating either the gunner or commanders position... if they turret was larger the loader standing behind the gun would get enveloped in smoke, but he does not exist in this tank.

    Yet there is one of the project leaders on the newest T-90 mod highlighting efforts to deal with gases from the gun. Hardly sexy stuff on a tank.

    Compared to the smoke and flame coming out the other end, this smoke is nothing to be worried about... the gun has a fume extractor attached to it... the small amount of smoke that enters the crew compartment is not around long enough to worry too much about.

    BTW thanks for posting those photos of the Hind Hole, that first photo from below I thought those anti missile turrets were mounted on the wing in between the inner wing pylons and the cabin, but the other shot showed they were mounted on the lower fuselage... nice catch... hadn't seen those at airshows or arms fairs before.

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    Post  mnztr Sun Apr 02, 2023 3:54 am

    didn't you say you were gonna block me lol.  You keep saying its not an issue bla bla bla and here is a guy that is one of the top guys in the T90M program explaining how they deal with this issue on the latest version of the t-90. Are you claiming you know more about tanks then this guy?
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    Post  mnztr Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:45 am

    Compared to the smoke and flame coming out the other end, this smoke is nothing to be worried about... the gun has a fume extractor attached to it... the small amount of smoke that enters the crew compartment is not around long enough to worry too much about. wrote:

    On this version sure. That is why the guy is making a point of explaining the measures on the newest version that deal with this. Why would he mention it if it was unchanged from the earlier versions. Its not exactly a sexy tank feature.
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:57 am

    You have no idea what are you talking about, but that never bothers a troll attempt.

    Every single Soviet tank in use has a spent case ejection system.

    Starting from T-62.



    And every Soviet tank made for ABC warfare has a ventilation/filtration units with supercharging, as it is required for making an overpressurized crew compartment.

    What is a difference for NEW Russian-originated tanks like T-72B3 and on, is combining automatic ejection with activation of the supercharger of TFU. So whenever the hatch opens, air from the compartment will be blown away due to pressure differences, ventilating it.

    And this is what he is talking about in the VP episode.

    You don't even understand what is being written.

    That disqualifies you even for the troll role, sadly.

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