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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #40

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:00 pm

    dumb? damn Russian military are morons, right they dont know what to do? but you do... hmm let me think. - well doesn't sound convincing you know? Some nukes close fo Poland and Baltics can have a bit of refreshment effect to me.

    BTW why USA keep bombs in Germany/Belgium o UK? isnt is so easy to destroy them?

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    Post  Kiko Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:05 pm

    Further details:

    Russia to deploy tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus, 03.25.2023.

    Putin said that a storage facility for tactical nuclear weapons will be built in Belarus by July 1.

    MOSCOW, March 25 - RIA Novosti. Moscow and Minsk have agreed to place tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of Belarus, Vladimir Putin said in an interview with journalist Pavel Zarubin on the Rossiya 24 TV channel .

    "From April 3, we start training crews. And on July 1, we are finishing the construction of a special storage facility for tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of Belarus," the president said.

    The head of state stressed that Russia had already helped Belarus to re-equip aircraft. In addition, the Iskander missile system was handed over to Minsk. Putin stressed that the deployment of weapons would be without violating obligations under the NPT.

    According to the President, the reason for such a step was the announcement of the UK on the supply of ammunition to Ukraine with depleted uranium. At the same time, Putin noted that Belarus had long asked to host Russian nuclear weapons on its territory. He added that Moscow is doing what the United States has been doing for decades.

    "We do not transfer. And the United States does not transfer to its allies. In principle, we are doing everything that they have been doing for a decade. They have allies in certain countries and their carriers are trained, their crews are trained. We are going to do the same. Exactly Alexander Grigorievich (Lukashenko. - Approx. ed.) asked about this," the president said.

    The head of state noted that the depleted uranium munitions that the West is going to transfer to Kiev do not belong to weapons of mass destruction, but they somehow create radioactive dust and are therefore considered very dangerous. According to him, if they are used, the sown areas will inevitably be polluted, which will create a danger for both local residents and the environment.

    On Tuesday, British Deputy Defense Minister Annabelle Goldie said that London , in addition to Challenger 2 tanks, will transfer ammunition to the Armed Forces of Ukraine , including armor-piercing shells containing depleted uranium.

    When shells with depleted uranium are used, radioactive dust settles on the ground, it is extremely toxic and cannot be decontaminated. The use of such ammunition can lead to outbreaks of cancer. US troops used depleted uranium during Operation Desert Storm in 1991, during the bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, and after the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    Vladimir Putin warned that Russia would respond to such supplies accordingly.

    Moscow sent a note to NATO countries last spring because of the supply of weapons to the Kyiv authorities. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov noted that any cargo that contains military equipment for Ukraine will become a legitimate target for the Russian army. According to him, the United States and the alliance are directly involved in the conflict - not only by transferring weapons, but also by training personnel in the UK, Germany, Italy and other countries.

    https://ria.ru/20230325/khranilische-1860641929.html

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    Post  lancelot Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:29 pm

    Very dumb. The closer they put them to Nato the easier it is to destroy them. Just one month ago they flew a fucking drone above an A-50U and now they will risk they nuclear aviation for a propaganda move.

    Their place is in behind the Urals. They have kh-101 with enough range to reach any target in Eruope from there.
    The West has threatened to invade Belarus more than once. Either themselves or their proxies like Ukraine. The nuclear warheads are there to prevent something like that from happening.

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    Post  Isos Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:03 pm

    Nuks don't need to be in Belarus to prevent such thing. They are just easy targets to destroy their nuclear triad.

    With Finland in Nato their SSBN are also potential target to ukro drones now.

    We already saw how a civilian drone armed with a grenade can be dangerous.

    They better remove tupolevs and subs a bit in the east.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:15 pm

    to destroy a tactical nukes storage you need to use real nuke and not a weak one. One handgrenade drone is really not enough. Besides tactical nukes around Finland is also nice to have. Lots of them tbh.

    What triade are you talking about? tactical nukes are not part of any triade.
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    Post  Isos Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:41 pm

    I was talking about the 10 strategic planes from the first article. A hand grenade on their wings where fuel is can destroy the plane.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:46 pm

    Nuks don't need to be in Belarus to prevent such thing. They are just easy targets to destroy their nuclear triad. With Finland in Nato their SSBN are also potential target to ukro drones now. We already saw how a civilian drone armed with a grenade can be dangerous. They better remove tupolevs and subs a bit in the east. owais.usmani likes this post wrote:

    Norway has been in NATO for many years and borders Russia to the north. From Norway it is the closest to the Russian SSBN base. It is very dangerously close to NATO.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:20 pm

    I doubt that the strategic bombers mentioned will be tu160

    The bombers they call "strategic " could be journalist error - we could be talking su30, with nuclear tipped weapons , of which were delivered, as well as nuclear tipped iskander, which is also in Belarus service

    As far as bombers,  maybe Tu22m3 as Those flew near Polish border during SMO

    Overall I think it is a good decision to deploy such weapons - for information purposes you create a narrative and a public understanding that these weapons are in place,  and hence the threshold for use is far lower then if they kept nukes in Russia

    By having nukes in Belarus, it is made clear that nukes would be used to defend territorial integrity

    So poles, USA, Ukraine are on notice that any incursion into Belarus will be met with nuclear response, and conversely kaliningrad also, is nuclear armed, so the threshold for use is lower,  and puts NATO in a bind , because conventional escalation will only lead to getting tactical nukes on your forces

    More Russian troops maybe can come out of Belarus and enter the SMO, with a nuclear deterrent taking over the role of conventional defense

    It also sends a message to NATO and 101st in Poland, if you cross the line, you can go to Lvov, but one foot on belarus, and the grid square would get taken out

    So it's good, to make NATO public and officials understand the political consequences of their actions

    Even if the military try to persuade them with intelligence, the political risk of attempting to escalate is too great - and that's how deterrence works

    When you announce things in public, it's not just about the technical capabilities of those systems, but also creating an informational narrative that establishes an escalation dominance on the enemy

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    Post  Hole Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:48 pm

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:29 pm

    https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12461798@egNews

    Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (25 March 2023)

    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

    In Kupyansk direction, aviation and artillery of the 'Zapad' Group of Forces have engaged the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine close to Dvurechnaya and Timkovka (Kharkov region). The enemy's losses in this direction amounted to 55 Ukrainian troops, two armoured fighting vehicles, and two motor vehicles.

    In Krasny Liman direction, Ground-Attack and Army aviation, artillery and units of the 'Tsentr' Group of Forces have inflicted fire damage on enemy manpower and military hardware close to Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People's Republic), Yampolvka and Terny (Donetsk People's Republic). More than 85 Ukrainian servicemen, two armoured vehicles, three pick-up trucks, and one D-20 howitzer have been destroyed during the day in this direction.

    In Donetsk direction, the Russian troops supported by artillery of the 'Yug' Group of Forces eliminated more than 155 Ukrainian troops, three armoured vehicles, five motor vehicles, and one D-30 howitzer.

    In South Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions, aviation and artillery of the 'Vostok' Group of Forces inflicted fire damage on the AFU units close to Ugledar and Novomikhailovka (Donetsk People's Republic). The total losses of the enemy in these directions amounted to 70 Ukrainian servicemen, three motor vehicles, and one D-30 howitzer.

    In Kherson direction, Russian troops have neutralised up to 35 Ukrainian troops, ten motor vehicles, and one Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers during the day.

    Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Group of Forces have engaged 76 AFU artillery units at their fire positions, manpower, and military hardware in 112 areas during the day.

    Air defence systems have engaged six HIMARS, Olkha MLRS projectiles and one HARM anti-radiation missile during the day. Moreover, 11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles including one Bayraktar TB2 were shot down close to Tokmak, Ivanovka (Zaporozhye region), Kolomyichikha (Lugansk People's Republic), Nikolskoye, Kramatorsk, Kirillovka, and Vladimirovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    In total, 404 airplanes and 224 helicopters, 3,573 unmanned aerial vehicles, 414 air defence missile systems, 8,399 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 1,072 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 4,428 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 9,114 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:50 am


    IRBM with nukes would be perfect for Belarus

    For now Iskander will suffice

    Su-30 with tactical boom-booms as well

    But definitely not Tupolevs

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:43 am

    Patrick Lancaster was fine. I'm happy

    https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1639679056235966464

    I wonder where do 4chan people got the idea he got killed.

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    Post  Erk Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:26 am

    Short video from Military Summary channel, listing the various types of aircraft Russia are currently using in Ukraine and their roses for those that are unfamiliar with them.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:45 am

    Top news if true  Cool

    He'll clean up nicely for his day in court.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:48 am

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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:59 am


    ZSU-23-4

    Interesting video... lots of upgrades of the vehicles focus on adding MANPADS or replacing the radar, but this seems to have add on armour plates on the hull and turret, I would expect to better protect it from small arms fire and light machine gun fire.

    Also during the video where it was shooting the rounds seemed to explode high up in the air... either hits or perhaps air burst ammo?

    Regarding the nuclear weapons in Belarus, this is clearly a response to the UK sending DU ammo to Kievs forces and amounts to Russia escalating to the level the US escalated to decades ago... the US has tactical nuclear weapons forward deployed to Germany and Italy and Turkey, so now it seems Russia is going to get some forward deployed nuclear weapons now too...

    I would think the Su-30 would be the ideal platform to deploy such weapons from the air and Iskander from the ground.

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    Post  Hole Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:23 pm

    Ukraine owes EU $132 billion - Bloomberg

    Kyiv was ordered to pay the debt until 2027.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine's public debt rose to 90% of the country's GDP.

    lol1

    After the end of the SMO, hopefully with the liberation of all territories, this will be the reason
    why the west won´t lift the sanctions. They will claim that Russia is owing them the money now
    and has to pay it back.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:28 pm

    New post  JohninMK Today at 11:45 am

    Top news if true  Cool

    He'll clean up nicely for his day in court.


    If that is a vid that is to prove anything, then I call that bullshit.
    It is old material.
    Very old actually.

    Interesting video... lots of upgrades of the vehicles focus on adding MANPADS or replacing the radar, but this seems to have add on armour plates on the hull and turret, I would expect to better protect it from small arms fire and light machine gun fire

    This is a general direction of all Shilka mods carried worldwide.
    The case is that it's radar magnetron ages quite quickly, and was not produced since 80s.
    Even in the 90s, modernization was a questionable case, as everybody who was able to do it, kept the magnetrons storage for themselves.
    The only usable solution was replacing the radar with electrooptical head, and that is what have been done in most of the cases.
    Adding a MANPAD was a common practice, too.

    Here is a clear example, Polish MP Biała version.

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    Post  Hole Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:47 pm

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    Post  kvs Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:16 pm

    Kiev regime debt is well over Ukrian GDP. The GDP is no longer 137/0.9 but more like a third or $50 billion. It is propped up with NATzO money and
    would implode if that money stopped.

    Regarding the hyped Kiev regime offensive I do not think it is merely theatrics. They are trying to play Russia in some way. Some sort of
    false flag attack on civilians is likely being prepared. This is all they really have left.

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    Post  franco Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:55 pm

    MOSCOW, March 25. /TASS/. Ukraine uses nearly 5,000 shells per day, while the United States produces only 14,000-15,000 shells every month, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in an interview with Rossiya-24 TV channel.

    "NATO’s leading countries, namely the US, according to the sources we have, produce some 14,000-15,000 shells of such caliber every month," Putin said.

    "Ukraine’s Armed Forces, according to our military data, use up to 5,000 shells per day during the combat actions," he said.

    https://tass.com/defense/1594439

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:13 pm

    The mention of tactical nuclear weapons fits in with what Lukashenko said last September that a squadron of it's Su-24 in storage was going to be modernized in Russia and be rearmed with tactical nuclear weapons I posted about this last year in the Belarus thread.

    As for the ZSU 23-4, there was upgrades done over the years replacing as others mentioned suspension, radars, cooling systems, better barrels, and addition of manpads missiles there has even been addition of Sa-13 (strela-10) missiles to a heavier warhead believe they were called ZSU-23-4M4 and ZSU-23-4M5. Still a nasty short range system and cheap upgrade on old systems. There has also been versions where radar equipment had been removed freeing up weight to then allow add on additional armour for a dedicated ground fire support vehicle. Today I would say the ZSU 23-4 is better suited as a ground fire support vehicle and secondary ad a air defense vehicle due to introduction of Tunguska and Pantsir. Although am sure no aircraft or helicopter would want to come anywhere within range of a ZSU-23-4 lol!

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:15 pm

    Malfunction i guess ?

    Nonetheless, where were the Russian air patrol's.. those things are supposed to be intercepted on the way with A-50 and MiG-31 or Su-30 combo.

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