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    Post  JohninMK Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:14 am

    From MoA

    German study on DU ammo from 2012 by German section of International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War

    https://www.ippnw.de/commonFiles/pdfs/Forum/Forum133_extern_uranmunition.pdf

    together with the International Association of Lawyers against Nuclear Arms a draft against DU ammo was introduced at the UN General Assembly in 2005 already.

    2012 a resolution was passed with 155 votes in favour, 4 against (US, GB, FR, ISR). The resolution demanded parties using DU to prove first that its without harm.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:36 am

    Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 22 Mar 2023⚡

    🔹#Zhytomyr Region:

    ▪ Russian kamikaze drones Geran-2 👉 have hit a critical infrastructure facility on the outskirts of #Zhytomyr. The Record oil storage facility is suspected to have been hit.

    🔹#Russia's Border Areas:

    ▪ In the #Belgorod region, Ukrainian formations launched an artillery strike on the village of #Borisovka. An agricultural enterprise was damaged and one man was killed.

    ▪ In the #Bryansk region, the enemy struck the village of #Demyanki, damaging a warehouse of an agricultural enterprise and an administrative building.

    🔹#Soledar (#Bakhmut) Direction:

    ▪ In the #Lisichansk sector, Russian troops expanded their zone of control near #Verkhnekamenskoye in the course of the offensive.

    ▪ Northwest of #Bakhmut in Orekhovo-Vasilyevka, there are no changes to the front line. Fighting is taking place in the centre of the settlement, from which the enemy has not yet been able to be driven out.

    ▪ In #Bakhmut, fierce fighting continues in all parts of the town: Fighters of the Wagner PMCs control about 70% of the city.

    ▪ To the southwest, Russian aviation and artillery inflict fire damage on the reserves coming from #Konstantinovka, which are trying to unblock the #Bakhmut - #Konstantinovka highway.

    🔹#Donetsk Direction:

    ▪ In the #Avdeyevka sector, Russian units are consolidating on the occupied lines and preparing for a further offensive.

    ▪ The enemy terrorists once again fired indiscriminately at #Donetsk. A Tochka-U rocket was fired at the city, destroying a water supply building and School No 87 in the Petrovsky district.
    ➖ #Dokuchayevsk, #Gorlovka, Shirokaya Balka and #Vodyanoye were also hit. Six people were wounded and more than ten houses and civilian facilities were damaged.

    🔹#Zaporozhye Direction, #Orekhov Section (MAP):

    ▪ Ukrainian formations during an attack on Russian positions managed to partially consolidate in the village of #Novodanilovka south of #Orekhov, taking control of half of the settlement. After regrouping, a further offensive deep into the Russian defence is expected.
    ➖ The enemy is moving UAV operator units and heavy western armoured vehicles to the #Orekhov area, accumulating a strike fist in this direction.

    🔹#Kherson Direction on #SouthFront:

    ▪ The RF Armed Forces fired on the accumulation of AFU personnel and equipment in #Antonovka, #Gavrilovka, #Veseloye, #Kherson and #Dneprovskoye.
    ➖ In their turn, the Ukrainian terror formations launched strikes on populated areas in #Kherson Region. Damage was also inflicted on civilian infrastructure in Novaya Kakhovka.

    🔹#Crimea:

    ▪ The AFU attempted to attack the seaport in #Sevastopol bay with three maritime drones and other UAVs. All targets were intercepted in time by the Black Sea Fleet Coast Guard and air defence assets.


    https://t.me/sitreports/6158

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    Post  Mir Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:22 pm

    Twisted Evil What a Face

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    Post  Hole Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:33 pm

    Medvedev: Ukraine is part of Russia, but for geopolitical reasons and as a result of historical events the Russian people were divided by artificial borders.

    Medvedev: Russia will produce 1,500 tanks this year.

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    Post  Isos Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:21 pm

    Pretty dumb to not have upgraded the t-55/62 from long time ago.

    New average thermals with a new ballistic computer, new ammo and new add on armor as well as new power unit would have made it a very valuable weapon that would be far easier to use than the heavy t-90 series. No need for very last tech. Even Drozd from the 70s would be a great APS for them even today. Keep the price low.

    They could have been also given to allies like SAA, Wagner or donbas soldiers.

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    Post  Scorpius Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:43 pm

    According to the information that appeared on the network, the transportation of T-54/ T-55 tanks, caught on video, is probably in the process of relocating these tanks to the Pacific coastal fortifications to protect against possible aggression from Japan.
    https://t.me/pozivnoy_kazman/2671

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    Post  xeno Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:56 pm

    What?U must be kidding me...

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:05 pm

    That sounds far-fetched. There used to be tank emplacements on Kunashir and Shitokan (from IS-3s to T-54/55s) but that was a kind of "let's do something with this junk instead of throwing it away"-situation to begin with, and they were abandoned not long afterwards anyway, due to the entire thing being rendered ineffective by modern weapons in the 80's.

    There are tons of them littering the landscape there, with birds now nesting in the barrels. Popular tourist spots.

    Why restart some practice that was deemed pointless nearly 40 years ago, with the same old machines to boot?

    My guess is that the tanks seen on the train are going to some 3rd world country customer. Or the smelter. That's it. Get some cash for them while making room in warehouses for modern equipment, win/win.

    Stuff like that has been going on non-stop for years. The big refurbishment facility in the Rostov region has freshened-up and shipped vehicles like these to eg Syria up until recently. Now I think that facility is catering to the SMO due to its proximity to the war, so this business has gone east and is handled out of the Pacific ports.

    edit: Didn't Medvedev just say that they're going to churn out 1500 new T-90Ms this year? Plus they still have existing stocks of T-62s, T-72s, T-80s and T-90 legacy models.

    Why bother with 300 or so entirely obsolete tanks then?

    The only conceivable use they could have in the SMO would be as indirect (and ineffective, given barrel elevation and FCS limits) artillery of sorts, making use of leftover 100mm ammo stocks, but even that sounds kind of pointless.


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    Post  famschopman Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:21 pm

    I've only read the translated version of what Medvedev said but he did not explain (obviously) whether these are T-90, T-14 or simply refurbished/upgraded older models.
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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:22 pm

    The train with the T-55s clearly drove from east to west, see video and position of the sun. The Transportwagon 2022 was built for this purpose. So it didn't go east and they didn't look rusty either.
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:34 pm

    Dima just trolled about the collective NATO tank effort. In 2023, Russkie will produce 1500 tanks.
    Yup, 90 L1s will be a gamę changer together with a dozen of 30 y/o M1A1🤣

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:41 pm

    There doesn't seem to be a consensus on the human impact of depleted uranium weapons debris.
    For each person that claims x,y,z disease, there is one that will say they were exposed to it and nothing happened.

    Very few research papers on it.

    I think it's going to be political rather than scientific debate/response.



    You mean like back in the old days were smoking was getting a backlash it deserved for being harmful for your lungs and can cause lung cancer and all the scientific papers were automatically contested by Malboro's own "research" papers which tried to cancel out the public opinion on smoking?

    The very same shit happens today with E-Cigs being advertised as unharmful, but a smart person doesn't need some "papers" to tell him what is harmful and what is not.

    Raiodactive substences that are usually treated in full-body hazard-suites are probably not so okay for your health, especially if powdered and distributed to soil and air.

    Today like years ago science is not science anymore. You can find left and right medical Ph.d. educated people who can't define a Women or make "consensus" about sex and gender. So let's take it at fucking face value, they are politicians or activists and nothing they say matters.

    There is a good fucking reason you have to protect your balls when taking a nano-second X-Ray of your tooth. The fact of usage of depleted uranium contaminating soil, cattle and humans over decades to radioactive particles of is certainly a different ball park figure of genetic problems that come with it. The 7th generation of inbred children from the average Alabama siblings will have better genetic outcome than the first generation of Iraqi people had.

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    Post  Scorpius Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:00 pm

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:The train with the T-55s clearly drove from east to west, see video and position of the sun. The Transportwagon 2022 was built for this purpose. So it didn't go east and they didn't look rusty either.

    I brought a link to the source of information, you can determine its reliability yourself.
    In addition, even if the information about the final destination of these tanks is incorrect, there is a mention of one useful feature of these tanks. They can fire at a range of more than 14 km, up to 20 km if you put them on top of a hill.

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    Post  famschopman Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:21 pm

    The DU stories are the same strategy as "The vaccine is completely harmless and the sudden increase in myocarditis has nothing to do .... while pharma, middle men and government officials make a fortune while excluding them from any future liability claims" Suspect

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:34 pm

    One plausible theory imo is if the tanks are being sent to Ukraine they will be used as long range support tanks, Iran produces a round heat around that those tanks can fire.

    So not send them into frontline work but keep em support guns which also means you don't need to upgrade em, is possible Iran and Russia struck some deal about ammo production idk just giving a possible explanation

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:34 pm

    "DU stories" mostly miss the most crucial factor.
    It is a hell of a cheap solution.
    DU rounds are made literally from the garbage.
    Making a good quality non-DU penetrator requires almost a tenfold price.
    It is not only because tungsten is much more expensive, but is much more complicated to handle while in production.
    It must be intensively tested, as micro-cracks are essential to the process while making the penetrator almost useless - it can disintegrate while still in bore making a hell of damage. Tons of ready penetrators have to be rejected by the QC, and there is nit much that can be done here. What is acceptable for a tool, can't be tolerated for a weapon.

    Post  SeigSoloyvov Today at 4:34 pm

    One plausible theory imo is if the tanks are being sent to Ukraine they will be used as long range support tanks, Iran produces a round heat around that those tanks can fire.


    Everybody did. Who dealed with that ammo.

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    3UBK4 was introduced in early 60s.

    Followed by 3UBK9 that pierced more than 400 mm. It could deal with Ch2, L2 and M1.


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    Post  Arrow Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:37 pm



    Even Prigozhin believed in the great offensive of more than 200,000 Ukrainian forces. scratch
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:43 pm

    Well one can hope if the russian detected them, they had the had common sense to bomb

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    Post  Isos Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:44 pm

    200 000 ? maybe. Trained? Very unlikely.
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    Post  Arrow Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:45 pm

    AFU trained about 200,000 reserve people and received a large number of NATO equipment for a counterattack near Bakhmut - Prigozhin Ukraine has concentrated a group of more than 80,000 soldiers around Artyomovsk wrote:
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:51 pm

    One of those compare and contrast moments that life throws up Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:58 pm

    Finally at long last the UK MoD has actually produced a report that is near to reality. The situation must be really dire Shocked

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    Post  Arrow Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:59 pm

    He believes that there still time to prepare for attack, need to increase production of needs for war,reduce bureaucracy, new mobilization,highly echeloned line of defense,establish clear objectives and borders of SVO. wrote:

    rigozhin believes that there will be several possible directions. "First one will be secondary somewhere on Belgorod or Svatovo.Main attack to Bahmut or Zaporizhia.And third distracting maneuver Kherson" Zdjęcie wrote:

    Two weeks ago Prigozhin claimed that the Russian army is ready to deal a huge blow soon and today he has changed his mind Very Happy What will Ukraine do with this offensive? Russia produces dozens of tanks a month.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:02 pm

    Precisely "did" very few countries produce ammo that is actually compatible with the gun those t55 use, Iran is one of those few ammo also does have a shelf life, you cannot store it forever so russian stocks of it are questionable as they haven't produced ammo for those guns in decades if I recall correctly, hence my suggestion with iran
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:06 pm

    @John,
    To be fair, the Russkie pilot is ranked major and probably has a few thousand hours of flights.
    The young Ukr is a lieutenant freshly after flying school graduation (it was a case half a year ago) who was maybe some 200-300h in the air maximum.

    Post  SeigSoloyvov Today at 5:02 pm
    Precisely "did" very few countries produce ammo that is actually compatible with the gun those t55 use, Iran is one of those few ammo also does have a shelf life, you cannot store it forever so russian stocks of it are questionable as they haven't produced ammo for those guns in decades if I recall correctly, hence my suggestion with iran


    The latest Soviet round of the kind was introduced in late 70s, and produced in numbers for the whole 80s - it is quite new stuff considering the overall situation.
    The shelf life of those is obviously very long, as most of the ammo used now has 80s markings on them.
    It is notorious for Ukrs and republican units.
    But Russkie are not much better, I saw a 1985-made ammo as a standard load.

    Edit :
    And not sure what do you mean by "not many", as the ammo is still being produced in Bulgaria. Used to be produced in Poland, GDR, China, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, NKorea ...


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