If Ukraine is preparing a dirty bomb to use it, and Russia has proof of it as they are getting worked up about, thry need to show it. And as well, strike very hard with Khinzals in all the areas where they speculate or know where the bomb is being made.
And state "we did it to prevent a major disaster".
On 24 October 2022, the Chief of General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces – First Deputy Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation General of the Army Valery Gerasimov has held telephone talks with Chief of the UK Defence Staff Admiral Antony Radakin.
The parties carried on discussing the situation concerning Ukraine's possible use of a 'dirty bomb'.
MoD Russia, [24-Oct-22 22:24]
On 24 October 2022, the Chief of General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces – First Deputy Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation General of the Army Valery Gerasimov has held telephone talks with the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. Armed Forces General Mark Milley.
The parties carried on discussing the situation concerning Ukraine's possible use of a 'dirty bomb'.
Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Would be nice to get a sample of the intel I suppose they have. They're being very, very adamant about this.
They know full well too that the west wants it so they will deny vehemently. In that regard, Russia needs to bypass the "west" and look at showing the evidence at both the UN and to the defense ministries of plenty other countries.
On the other hand, blaming the opponent for using any kind of forbidden weapon is just one of the points of war propaganda classics, so we can't exclude the possibility that it is what it is. Maybe they don't have any proof, but still blaming Ukrs of these ideas might force them to cease those, if they really had. This kind of information strategy was widely used for the whole Syrian conflict, so is well mastered by the Russkie propaganda machine.
Edit :
Another day in a row, Russian Internet is flooded with pics like this :
Oh yeah, the mighty Cherson offensive is running perfectly well. This time it was not a police units outnumbered 30:1 to hold them ...
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Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Would be nice to get a sample of the intel I suppose they have. They're being very, very adamant about this.
They know full well too that the west wants it so they will deny vehemently. In that regard, Russia needs to bypass the "west" and look at showing the evidence at both the UN and to the defense ministries of plenty other countries.
Oh, f*ck the UN
Tell everyone both diplomatically and in media what's happening and that if ukrops do detonate dirty bomb Lvov will get nuked with standard 2MT warhead
And then when ukrops do detonate dirty bomb they should just nuke Lvov with 2MT warhead as promised
If anyone downwind has issues after that they can take it up with Kiev, it's none of Russia's business
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Russia is making all the rats fully aware that they cannot get away with a nuclear war by proxy. They will be roasted in their holes in Washington, London and Brussels. The only issue is that the West is too rabidly stupid to understand that. So, we will see.
Comments like the one below are sadly consistent with the situation in the West and therefore I see no reason for dismissing the impending risk:
Pepe Escobar MORE WAR
From one of my Beltway sources:
"The desperation of the neo-liberals, who are going to lose the elections in November: they are escalating and doubling down in their quest for MORE war so as to hide their Covid crimes and the failure of their sodomite LGBTQ policies meant to destroy society. Ukraine is the only card they still have in their hand."
On the EU:
"The EU governments fear that they will be overthrown unless there is a distraction. I do not see that there will be any compromise [on war] by the Straussians, who are enjoying this."
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Ukraine ( NATO ) use dirty bomb ? Well Russia use very very dirty filthy bomb ! Just make sure all troops and Horses and swordsman have NBC gear , when they advance into the Hell itself . The Chinese know how ! Forget khinzal , say hello to Mr . Kiloton .
IOSTOCONPUTIN @ilciclistainblu · 1 h Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian said that his country is ready to send a group of military experts to study the situation with Ukrainian colleagues regarding the allegations of the use of Iranian drones in Ukraine....troll
LMFS wrote:Russia is making all the rats fully aware that they cannot get away with a nuclear war by proxy. They will be roasted in their holes in Washington, London and Brussels. The only issue is that the West is too rabidly stupid to understand that. So, we will see.
Comments like the one below are sadly consistent with the situation in the West and therefore I see no reason for dismissing the impending risk:
Pepe Escobar MORE WAR
From one of my Beltway sources:
"The desperation of the neo-liberals, who are going to lose the elections in November: they are escalating and doubling down in their quest for MORE war so as to hide their Covid crimes and the failure of their sodomite LGBTQ policies meant to destroy society. Ukraine is the only card they still have in their hand."
On the EU:
"The EU governments fear that they will be overthrown unless there is a distraction. I do not see that there will be any compromise [on war] by the Straussians, who are enjoying this."
I don't know if foolishness goes that far. The movement of conversations now between Russian commanders and the main NATO countries shows, at least apparently, that they seek to avoid the spread of the conflict. Today 30 members of the American Congress sought, suggested that Bidin open a channel of direct negotiation with Putin. A few days ago, Obama asked Biden to limit the conflict so that it does not spread. Not everyone is foolish.
1plus1equals3 @1_plus_1equals3 143h/ -Kherson Masacre- Sukhanove part 8 (October 19)
2x T-64BV of , abandoned and capcured MT-LB-S APC BRDM-2 IMV ------ 77 tanks, 102 IFVs, 46 IMVs, 56 APCs, 33 vehic., 39 unknown, TB-2, 2 jet, 1 heli, 3 art , 4 AA
https://twitter.com/1_plus_1equals3
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This military expert, at least he says, is recording on his Twitter account Ukraine's losses on the Kherson front. The work is well done because it is recorded with photo and videos. Looking at this, it amazes me what kind of General commands these offensives across Ukraine, because judging by the images, the tactics and formations look more like a suicide squad than a regular trained army.
2x T-64BV of , abandoned and capcured MT-LB-S APC BRDM-2 IMV ------ 77 tanks, 102 IFVs, 46 IMVs, 56 APCs, 33 vehic., 39 unknown, TB-2, 2 jet, 1 heli, 3 art , 4 AA
https://twitter.com/1_plus_1equals3
..................................
This military expert, at least he says, is recording on his Twitter account Ukraine's losses on the Kherson front. The work is well done because it is recorded with photo and videos. Looking at this, it amazes me what kind of General commands these offensives across Ukraine, because judging by the images, the tactics and formations look more like a suicide squad than a regular trained army.
And this is also an informative Twitter account
Looks like some pro-Russian or even just neutral sources are quietly creeping back on to twitter. Perhaps in preparation for a Musk takeover?
As much as I appreciate Telegram - it's simply cumbersome and heavyweight. Having to load a whole app essentially in your browser every time you want to check it. It's full of stupid idiosyncrasies too such as not being able to play some videos because they're too big, random unresponsiveness sometimes and so on. And as far as I know there's not way to embed posts from it here on the forum.
Anyway, wasn't someone here earlier complaining about the Russians not using ATGMs?
Dr.Snufflebug wrote:I'm pretty sure Shoigu's numbers were reasonably accurate, so given subsequent developments it should be in the vicinity of 70k now. Roughly 30k can be independently corroborated to some extent.
The 61.000 confirmed KIA UkroNazis Shoigu talked about are clearly identified dead = the russian MoD knows their names and confirmed the data with Ukro sources. That doesn´t mean that there are another 50.000 or 100.000 dead bodies/body parts littering the landcape or brought away by the Ukro regime before they were identified by the russian side.
2,5 months ago we had the leak by some Ukro MoD officer which stated the number of roughly 200.000 KIA´s. This was before the "well planned and executed offensives". The Ukros lost between 20.000 and 30.000 in the Kharkov and Nikolaev/Kherson areas. Plus more dead at the usual locations (DPR) and all around 404.
There were demonstrations in the western parts of 404, even in Lviv, where relatives demanded answers from the authorities. According to the comitee of soldiers mothers (or so, a organisation paid by the west, not Russia) there are currently 320.000 missing!
The regime claimed not long ago that they got a "700.000 men army". They also claim to have 60.000 fighters in the Kherson area, 40 - 50.000 in Donbass, some 20 - 30.000 in the Kharkow area and 30.000 close to the border with Belarus. Maybe 20.000 fighters around Kiev plus a few thousand in Odessa (a lot were sent to the hugely sucessful Kherson offensive ). Maybe there are another 50.000 in the western parts of 404 + a few thousand in NATO states but this gives us roughly half the claimed number of 700.000 fighters.
Taking all this into account 300.000 KIA could be likely.
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If Ukraine is preparing a dirty bomb to use it, and Russia has proof of it as they are getting worked up about, thry need to show it. And as well, strike very hard with Khinzals in all the areas where they speculate or know where the bomb is being made.
And state "we did it to prevent a major disaster".
What if the info is a spy they have planted somewhere in the Kiev government or Ukrainian military?
Do you think they should show the world that source, which would be sure to be killed thus cease to be useful?
Apparently Britain is involved on the issue of Ukraine obtaining technology to create nuclear weapons.
2x T-64BV of , abandoned and capcured MT-LB-S APC BRDM-2 IMV ------ 77 tanks, 102 IFVs, 46 IMVs, 56 APCs, 33 vehic., 39 unknown, TB-2, 2 jet, 1 heli, 3 art , 4 AA
https://twitter.com/1_plus_1equals3
..................................
This military expert, at least he says, is recording on his Twitter account Ukraine's losses on the Kherson front. The work is well done because it is recorded with photo and videos. Looking at this, it amazes me what kind of General commands these offensives across Ukraine, because judging by the images, the tactics and formations look more like a suicide squad than a regular trained army.
And I do say this is also a very informative Twitter account
Looks like some pro-Russian or even just neutral sources are quietly creeping back on to twitter. Perhaps in preparation for a Musk takeover?
As much as I appreciate Telegram - it's simply cumbersome and heavyweight. Having to load a whole app essentially in your browser every time you want to check it. It's full of stupid idiosyncrasies too such as not being able to play some videos because they're too big, random unresponsiveness sometimes and so on. And as far as I know there's not way to embed posts from it here on the forum.
Anyway, wasn't someone here earlier complaining about the Russians not using ATGMs?
Bit of a waste to use an ATGM on that POS, a 12.7mm blast would have sliced right through it. If not RPG DEFINITELY would do the job. From the factory they only had protection from 7.62
Was repeating all of that really necessary just to make that comment?
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The parties carried on discussing the situation concerning Ukraine's possible use of a 'dirty bomb'.
, abandoned and capcured
). Maybe there are another 50.000 in the western parts of 404 + a few thousand in NATO states but this gives us roughly half the claimed number of 700.000 fighters.
