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Russian Civil Aviation: News #5

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GarryB Mon Apr 03, 2023 3:30 am

The Il-76 is a military transport plane that was never designed for commercial use... its flight efficiency and flight speed would not be very good and costs would be higher than with an airliner like the Il-96.

In the longer term an Il-96 with two much more powerful engines like the PD-35 which is expected to have a thrust rating of between 35 and eventually up to 50 tons per engine should allow an Il-96 fitted with two such engines to massively increase weight and performance while not being excessively expensive to operate.

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Rodion_Romanovic Mon Apr 03, 2023 12:29 pm

Exactly, I look forward to a modernised version of the il-96 cargo with two PD-35.

I also hope to see the a tanker version of it, also to replace the il-78.

Maybe in the future they will also have something like the il-96-500T, the "Beluga" version of the il 96.

Also the use of Antonov An-124 in civilian airlines is not that cost efficient (except for specific cases).

And Volga Dnepr and air bridge cargo were doing a lot of work for western customers. This of course will be less important in the near future.

But Russia needs definitely to gradually subsitute the cargo versions of Boeing 737, 747 and 777 with domestic airplanes (starting with tu214 cargo and il 96 cargo)

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GarryB Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:03 pm

I also hope to see the a tanker version of it, also to replace the il-78.

The Il-78 would be useful for deployments and used to refuel tactical aircraft but an Il-96 with PD35s could operate from the long paved strategic bombers runways and could fly faster and further with the bombers to say over the north pole and refuel them there and then return home to refuel. Their higher speed and greater fuel capacity means the bombers could get closer to their targets before filling up with more fuel which would boost their performance.

The Il-78 on the other hand can operate from rough airstrips and support tactical fighter operation... being a large aircraft you could fit it with short range air to air missiles for self defence... even just to shoot down incoming SAMs or AAMs being fired at the aircraft.

I would say they could use another inflight refuelling type for carrier use based on a carrier based AWACS platform perhaps, both of which could be sold to countries as cheap AWACS and inflight refuelling tankers for smaller air forces for land based use.

And Volga Dnepr and air bridge cargo were doing a lot of work for western customers. This of course will be less important in the near future.

The west invaded lots of countries so their An-124s and Il-76s got a lot of use, but the rest of the world could do with transport aircraft too... there is plenty of potential out there.

But Russia needs definitely to gradually subsitute the cargo versions of Boeing 737, 747 and 777 with domestic airplanes (starting with tu214 cargo and il 96 cargo)

They should have done it years ago, but now they are not getting a choice... I hope they are not quick to forget this lesson.

Even a Tu-204/214 type inflight refuelling tanker for tactical aircraft would be interesting...

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lancelot Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:40 am

They need to make a version of the Tu-214 with the PD-14M engine. I do not understand why the Russian government is not pushing the development of this engine forward.

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Backman Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:16 am

quoting an article from a post on the previous page

Superjet 100 will no longer be considered a Russian aircraft
03/01/2023, 09:29 10 084

UAC terminates production and commercial relations with Superjet International and effectively withdraws from the Sukhoi Superjet 100 program in its basic version.

So there will be an internal Russian Superjet. And there will still be an external Superjet. It just wont be Russian on paper because Russia has no stake in the company that was formed outside Russia.

So there can still be Superjets outside of Russia. If I understand that right

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Backman Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:18 am

Also from the previous page. The picture of the il 96 prototypes at Vaso

The 4th guy from the left with the red tie is Victor Bout.

Russian Civil Aviation: News #5 - Page 6 J-dr-e10

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GarryB Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:16 am

The 4th guy from the left with the red tie is Victor Bout.

He ran an international transport company, he would have good experience to share with aircraft makers about design features that are useful in different places in the world.

I remember in the early 1990s western experts bagged Soviet airliner designs, but in actual fact their ability to operate from rougher airstrips with less built in infrastructure made them valuable in a lot of countries around the world.

Soviet airliners had rooms on board for the heavy coats of passengers so they could sit inside the aircraft in comfort but would not freeze from the steps of the aircraft to the terminal building. Some Soviet airliners had air stairs built in so the airfield didn't even need vehicles with air stairs on them.

Equally the larger crews of the older Soviet aircraft often meant there were more hands and eyes so it was more likely you would have someone who was absolutely fluent in English but equally with 5 aircrew you could have some fluent in other languages which would be useful in some places.

Most importantly a group of 4 or 5 crew could go through checklists much faster but still in a safe manner with two people checking at a time, so if you wanted to get a runway, you could go through your checklist much faster than aircraft with a two man crew and get takeoff spots other aircraft couldn't get... often meaning spending less time on the runway which pleases passengers and crew.

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Dr.Snufflebug Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:57 pm

PD-14 mass production has begun.
https://www.aex.ru/m/news/2023/4/6/255711/

Huge milestone for Russian civilian aviation.

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Scorpius Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:59 pm

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IL 96-400M arrived at the flight test station of the Voronezh aircraft factory

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Rodion_Romanovic Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:29 pm

Lancelot wrote:
They need to make a version of the Tu-214 with the PD-14M engine. I do not understand why the Russian government is not pushing the development of this engine forward.

I am not sure it is currently possible.

They have a limit on the number of engine they can produce, even with the new equipment installed in Perm.
(This will reach 160 PD14 engines per year in 2030, of which 144 for 72 MC21 aircraft produced each year +spares).

I believe among these will be counted also the PD-14M or PD-16 needed for MC-21-400 and the MC-21-400 Extra Long range.

Probably eventually they will have a further assembly line somewhere else, like in Samara or maybe it could be interesting to build a new factory even in Donbass, but of course they need also to increase the capacity of the entire supply chain.

Of course after the increased production rate of the PD-14 family is established, also a modernised version of the Tu-214 is possible, also for commonalities with the MC21 family. However, at least for the next 5 years, it will be difficult to have PD engines available for the tu-214 as well.

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So there will be an internal Russian Superjet. And there will still be an external Superjet. It just wont be Russian on paper because Russia has no stake in the company that was formed outside Russia.

So there can still be Superjets outside of Russia. If I understand that right

They are even building new assembly line in one of the Arab countries for it. Probably the plan is to use the same suppliers of the current SSJ100, including the Sam-146 engines, but of course switching to newer russian equipment should be also possible in the future. And Russia will only act as a supplier of components.

As far as the SSJ100 new, they will probably go for commonality with the MC-21family and it is now under the Irkut umbrella.
I bet it will also receive a brand new name, like yak-142, or similar (while the MC-21 could be yak-242).

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lancelot Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:37 pm

The PD-14 right now is being made in small amounts at the same facilities as the PS-90. Mass production will require the construction of new facilities.

They have not even constructed the building yet for the new facilities let alone equipped it.
https://aviation21.ru/v-permi-predlozhili-vernutsya-k-proektu-stroitelstva-novoj-ploshhadki-dlya-odk-pm/

Also, the UEC will allocate about 44 billion rubles from the budget to produce about fifty PD-8 engines, as well as twenty PS-90A and fourteen PD-14 engines within two years.

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Scorpius Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:39 pm

By 2030, the annual production volume of MS-21 aircraft in Russia should be 72 pieces and it should be released in 160 PD-14 engines annually.

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Rodion_Romanovic Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:14 am

Scorpius, exactly, I wrote the same in my post above.

That means that starting from 2030 the annual engine production will cover the new built MC-21 + 16 spare engines.

If they do not increase engine production there is no availability of engines for other aircraft models

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Kiko Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:55 pm

Production of engines for MS-21 aircraft began in Perm, by Alexander Shestakov (Perm) for Rossiyskaya Gazeta. 04.10.2023.

At Perm Motors, which is part of the United Engine Corporation of the state corporation Rostec, mass production of the latest promising PD-14 engine has begun.

According to the press service of Rostec, today this is the most high-tech development in the field of mechanical engineering in Russia. The PD-14 as part of the MS-21-310 aircraft manufactured by the Irkut corporation will become the main one for civil aviation for several decades to come.

According to plans, by 2030 the enterprise will produce 160 engines annually.

Another task facing engine builders is the training of a wide pool of highly qualified specialists, who will just have to put the plan for the production of new engines into reality. To this end, a state-of-the-art training center for specialists for the aircraft industry is being opened in Perm on the basis of UEC-Perm Motors. Up to 2,000 qualified personnel will be trained here annually. Similar centers have already appeared at the Ufa enterprise "UEC-UMPO" and on the basis of the Salyut PC in Moscow.

Recall that the latest PD-14 aircraft engine has already been tested under the wing of the MS-21 medium-haul airliner, and at the end of December 2022, the Federal Air Transport Agency approved its further installation on aircraft. In addition to the PD-14, the MS-21 will receive domestic wings made of composite materials produced in Russia.

Rossiya Airlines will receive the first six MS-21s at the end of 2024, and the serial production of the airliner with Perm engines will start in 2025.

The "younger brother" of the PD-14, the PD-8, is about to go into production. The upgraded Sukhoi Superjet and the Be-200 amphibian will be powered by this engine. Earlier, SaM146 power plants of Russian-French production were installed on the Superjet, and Ukrainian aircraft engines were used on the amphibian.

https://rg.ru/2023/04/10/reg-pfo/svoe-nadezhnee.html

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Kiko Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:44 pm

Ulyanovsk plant began serial production of the "black" wing for MS-21, 04.11.2023.

At the Aerocomposite plant in Ulyanovsk, mass production of a wing for the MS-21 aircraft began, which was nicknamed the "black wing" because of the color of the carbon fiber. This was announced on Tuesday, April 11, in a widespread message from the Ulyanovsk Region Development Corporation.

So, in 2023, Aerocomposite plans to produce four aircraft kits for the MS-21. In 2024, their number will grow to six. In the future, production volumes will increase in accordance with the schedule.

It is also noted that last year the plant for the first time produced a wing for the MS-21-300 with Russian composite materials. After that, such a wing went into mass production.

Anatoly Gaidansky, General Director of Aerocomposite, said that only Russian materials are currently used at the plant, including composite and auxiliary materials, as well as paints and sealants.

“Here, the whole process of imports has already been completely substituted,” Gaidansky noted.

The report also says that on Tuesday, March 11, Gaidansky met with the governor of the Ulyanovsk region, Alexei Russkikh. The meeting was devoted to discussing the program for import substitution and new scientific developments of the plant.

Aerocomposite has been operating in Ulyanovsk since March 2011. Today it is the only plant in Russia for the production of load-bearing composite structures using the vacuum infusion method. In terms of its scale, production is among the top three world-class enterprises in the creation of an aircraft wing.

In 2018, the plant lost the opportunity to purchase imported raw materials for the wing. The manufacturer of the wing came under US sanctions. Then Rosatom took up the development of the Russian analogue of the material for the wing. The Ministry of Industry and Trade allocated 4.4 billion rubles for the creation of domestic composites. The use of the new material made it possible to create a wing with unique aerodynamics, as well as to increase the width of the MC-21 fuselage and expand the cabin, which provides new benefits in terms of passenger comfort.

https://iz.ru/1496988/2023-04-11/ulianovskii-zavod-nachal-seriinyi-vypusk-chernogo-kryla-dlia-ms-21

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GarryB Wed Apr 12, 2023 5:00 am

Good to see they didn't just copy the imported wing design but took the opportunity to improve the aircraft design at the same time.

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owais.usmani Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:46 am

https://www.interfax.ru/russia/895444

Manturov announced the shortage of VK-2500 engines for the production of Mi-8 helicopters

Moscow. 11 April. INTERFAX.RU - The production of modern modifications of the Mi-8 helicopter is currently limited by the volume of production of VK-2500 engines, said Denis Manturov, Deputy Prime Minister, head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation.

"The main bottleneck ( helicopter building - IF ) today is helicopter engines. In particular, if we are talking about VK-2500, initially, when a single center for the production of VK-2500 was created in St. Petersburg, we expected a maximum volume of up to 200 As a result, they pumped up to 300, and the need for today is over 500 engines," Manturov said at a meeting of the Federation Council Committee on Economic Policy.

"Therefore, it is natural to take into account these bottlenecks, if we are talking about a Mi-8 helicopter, its modern modifications," he said.

He also cited the example of Ka-62 helicopters, which were previously equipped with Ardiden 3G engines manufactured by the French Safran. Designed to replace them, the Russian VK-1600V motor, according to Manturov, will be certified only at the end of next year.

VK-2500 was developed by the St. Petersburg "ODK-Klimov" (part of the "United Engine Corporation" "Rostec") in 2001. Power class - 2500 hp It is installed on modifications of Mi-17 helicopters, as well as on combat Mi-28, Ka-52, Mi-35, according to the developer's website.

The development of the VK-1600V is also being carried out by JSC UEC-Klimov. This engine is intended for installation on multi-purpose and special helicopters with a take-off weight of 5-8 tons. The first object of application is the promising multi-purpose Ka-62.

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Rodion_Romanovic Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:28 am

Earlier most of those engines were manufactured in Zaporozhye. I believe that after 2014 a serial production was established in Saint Petersburg (while some engines were continued to being "smuggled" from Ukraine). It would be cool if a new production line for those engines could be installed in Lugansk.

The factory there was previously only for repair and overhaul ( and not for new production) of TV3-117 engines (the vk-2500 is a high power derivative of the TV3-117) but it could be a nice improvement for the donbass industry.

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franco Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:18 pm

MOSCOW, April 17/ Sputnik Radio. The first bases for drones at the airfields of Yamal and Chukotka will appear by 2024, Izvestia writes, citing data from the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation.
According to the document, the first nine localities have already been identified, the airfields of which will be equipped with a unified communications, navigation, and surveillance infrastructure to support drone flights. The list includes Anadyr, Beringovsky, Kanchalan, Markovo, Salekhard, Salemal, Panayevsk, Pitlyar and Lopkhari.
The Ministry of Transport will determine the technical and financial parameters of projects for equipping landing sites in these localities in 2023. By 2030, similar bases for drones are planned to be equipped at 290 airfields in the country.
Earlier, Sputnik radio reported that the Samara Region will create special legal conditions for the use of drones.

https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.en.89b616ec-643d1b98-43a3c725-74722d776562/https/radiosputnik.ria.ru/20230417/drony-1865774286.html

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GarryB Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:38 am

The PD-14 right now is being made in small amounts at the same facilities as the PS-90. Mass production will require the construction of new facilities.

The core point here is that these are new engines so getting them into production is one thing, but as purposes and uses for these engines expand and solid orders for the aircraft that will use them and also future expansion into areas that were not initially anticipated like in land based pumping stations or in ships or hovercraft then you expand you production base.

What you don't do is say... this is a new engine and everyone will be using it... lets open 20 factories across the country and build hundreds per month... so lack of planned production capacity right now is not a problem, because as the new factories get built and demand increases then improvements in production and increased numbers of plants and even expansion of plants can be used to increase production to the necessary levels over time... still lots of testing to be done on some applications.

New Russian territories might be a good site for new engine production in modern facilities making engines and propulsion systems again... but this time with a three colour flag instead of a two colour flag.

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Rodion_Romanovic Tue Apr 18, 2023 2:19 pm

GarryB wrote:New Russian territories might be a good site for new engine production in modern facilities making engines and propulsion systems again... but this time with a three colour flag instead of a two colour flag.

Exactly, and there already some turbine engine repair plants in Lugansk that are coming back to use.

Russia could expand those and build some brand new plants in the Donbass.

I am not sure about Zaporozhye. Eventually it will return to Russia as well, but I am not sure if there is anything left in the Zaporozhye Motor building plant (Motor Sich since 1991). It had an important history for Russia and the Soviet Union, but maybe it could be a good message to just rebuild there an engine repair plant and build instead a large new engine building factory in Lugansk, Donetsk or Marioupol.

Anyway, let Russia start with certification and serial production of the various modification of these engines. After that they can think about additional plants, assembly lines and how to expand or double the supply chain and all the various engine suppliers.

At the end it is the same thing as with western companies GE, Rolls-Royce, Pratt and Whitney do not make most of the components themselves and need the support of a lot of small and medium companies in order to be able to deliver their engines to the airframers.

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GarryB Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:53 am

I didn't really support such things, but now that these regions have joined the Russian Federation then they are supporting themselves, rather than pouring money into a neutral state that might turn on them in the future like the Ukraine did or Georgia did.

Building factories in Donbass makes sense now that they are Russian too, but no so sure about the rest of the country that didn't really support them and perhaps may only change sides because they know who is going to win and who is going to be funding their future.

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Rodion_Romanovic Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:47 am

https://mentourpilot.com/canada-to-hand-over-russian-an-124-to-ukraine/

Canada wants to steal Volga Dnepr An-124 and give it to Ukraine.

They also say that the aircraft accumulated 300000 dollar parking fees since February 2022.

It doesn't make any sense. The fees should be paid by who made the sanctions. Actually Volga Dnepr and Russia should charge Canada with illegal detention of russian property.

3 other Volga dnepr An124 are also detained in Leipzig (Germany) for the same reasons.

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flamming_python Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:48 am

Russia can respond by seizing all leased airliners from EU and US leasing firms. They're worth rather more.

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GarryB Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:06 am

Then Russia should simply declare the airspace above the Ukraine a no fly zone and any transport planes or aircraft of any type that are not Russian will be shot down on sight.

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