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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:13 pm

    The Europeans could burn the corpses littering the landscape in 404.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:17 pm

    Hole wrote:The Europeans could burn the corpses littering the landscape in 404.

    We must dig old good German studies to that matter, but as far as I know, the calories used to burn the corps was higher than the calories coming out of the process.
    But maybe there are some improvements since then, but still they need gas to operate.
    Btw, is Topf und Söhne still running? Laughing
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:06 pm

    Sprut-B wrote:Economic situation of Europe is absolutely bleak. Winter has yet to arrive but people are already struggling to cope with the rising inflation. People are living paycheck to paycheck as they have to spend all their salaries on food purchase & energy bills. Crime rates are also getting higher as a byproduct of the economic disaster. This is the current situation of Austria which is a prosperous EU country. Now you can guess what the conditions of other less prosperous EU nations.

    By the way this woman is a survivalist & she has been making some really good survival contents for many years. But even she is also worried about the future. You can also read in the comments- people are actually storing firewood & buying wool blankets & also resorting to DIY tricks-methods to warm their houses for this winter.
    This is not some Russian propaganda.


    18 euros for 4 chicken breasts?
    That's where?

    4 chicken breasts goes for about 3.5 to 4 euros in St. Petersburg

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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:32 am

    Enormous numbers of wild rabbits and possums in central Otago... .22lr ammo is a few cents a round...
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:53 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    18 euros for 4 chicken breasts?
    That's where?
    4 chicken breasts goes for about 3.5 to 4 euros in St. Petersburg

    Austria was always rather expensive, prices were obviously higher than in Germany.
    Aside from that, there was some serious change in the chicken production and market for a while now. Its prices rise FOUR times this year.
    It used to be incredibly cheap, like 1E/kilo.
    Now it stands 3-4, depending on the type.
    I guess it is connected with the energy intensity in the production process.
    They require very high temperatures at the incubation stage and for the first week or two of the production. As your energy bills rised 10%, here is your answer. For business in Europe, that hike was tenfold. 1000%.
    Here you have the considered biggest on line store with food in Austria :
    https://www.interspar.at/suche?q=fleisch
    I have already made a check for meat.
    Chicken breast is really 12-16 euro range depending on the quality. I can easily believe that may cost 18 euro in some local shop.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:10 pm



    Sean Foo on the OPEC+ Deal.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QU5bNM2SHjc
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    Post  Kiko Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:06 am

    Former subsidiary of Tetra Pak resumes production of full-color packaging, 10.10.2022.

    The former subsidiary of Sweden's Tetra Pak will again produce full-color packaging.

    The former "daughter" of Tetra Pak, to which the Swedish company sold its business in Russia, resumes the production of full-color packaging, having solved the problem with the lack of raw materials. The company changed its legal name to Packing Systems JSC

    The former Russian subsidiary of the Swedish Tetra Pak resumed the production of full-color packaging from October 1, and also changed the company's legal name to Packing Systems JSC, the company's press service told TASS .

    “The factory for the production of packaging material in Lobnya is running smoothly. From October 1, we began to accept and produce orders for packaging in full-color design on bleached cardboard, as the problems with the shortage of raw materials, in particular, paint, have been resolved,” said a representative of the company’s press service.

    He added that the company is now testing raw materials from new sources, including local manufacturers, and also receives cardboard from Asian countries. According to the interlocutor of the agency, after the transfer of business in Russia to local management, the legal name of the company has changed, but the new brand and trade name are still in development.

    https://www.rbc.ru/business/11/10/2022/634483ab9a7947613b86d0cb


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    Post  lancelot Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:11 am

    There is no good reason for paper products to be imported.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:00 am

    You can't be more wrong bro.
    Let's say toilet paper is a mass-exported product, while Italy, Sweden, and Poland are the biggest world suppliers.
    Cardboard is a regular product for export/import. The same applies to the packing paper.
    "Paper" is not only something you put in the printer, you know Wink

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    Post  Werewolf Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:28 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    18 euros for 4 chicken breasts?
    That's where?

    4 chicken breasts goes for about 3.5 to 4 euros in St. Petersburg

    Here in Germany before Covid lockdowns and the retardation of the GayLords of Healthcare 1kg Chickenbreats would cost 5.79 € to 5.99€.
    After Covid before SMO it costed already 7.20€ and now it´s between 11.79 and 12,49 €.

    The prices for 1kg salmon are now 23-33 €, for deer 44 -60 € or beef 23- 25 €. it´s all double or more the price before sanctions. Most of it just because gas prices are double or unstable and they price everything double to compensate for the gas prices and inflation.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:55 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Here in Germany before Covid lockdowns and the retardation of the GayLords of Healthcare 1kg Chickenbreats would cost 5.79 € to 5.99€.
    After Covid before SMO it costed already 7.20€ and now it´s between 11.79 and 12,49 €.
    The prices for 1kg salmon  are now 23-33 €, for deer 44 -60 € or beef 23- 25 €. it´s all double or more the price before sanctions. Most of it just because gas prices are double or unstable and they price everything double to compensate for the gas prices and inflation.

    Oh, old beautiful times, when an Irish beef for roast was E9.99 at Real promo cry cry
    Oh wait, that was only 3 years ago!!

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    Post  Hole Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:57 pm

    But we got a war with Russia for these "little" price increases.  pwnd

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    Post  Kiko Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:11 pm

    Sooner or later the West was going to wage a war with Russia independently of Ukraine. Moscow was rising militarily, technologically, economically, politically from its ashes of the dreadful 90s, and was increasingly becoming a threat to Yanquiland and European exceptionalism and global influence.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:20 am

    It is only an enemy because they made it so.

    If the EU had been friendly then there would have been no need for any problems...

    And obviously inflation is all Putins fault... those Putin price rises... Twisted Evil

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    Post  Hole Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:23 pm

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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:53 pm

    Hole wrote:Russia and economic war by the west #2 - Page 20 Fe4_mb10

    tongue Razz

    Goldman??
    Ohh, i thought those were tempartures?

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    Post  Kiko Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:15 pm

    Media: the Russian economy is increasing activity against the backdrop of a recession in Europe, 10.13.2022.

    The Economist reported on the improvement of the economic situation in Russia during the recession in Europe.

    While Europe falls into recession, the Russian economy, contrary to negative forecasts, is recovering, writes The Economist magazine.

    "A delicate moment has come in the economic war between Russia and the West. While Europe is teetering on the brink of a deep recession, the economic situation in Russia is improving," the article says.

    Partial mobilization led to the departure of about 300 thousand people, and the population, according to the publication, withdrew the equivalent of $14 billion from bank deposits in September. Despite these difficulties, the Russian economy managed to avoid a deep recession, notes The Economist, citing data from Goldman Sachs as confirmation . Its economists measure the monthly "index of current business activity", according to which the situation in Russia as a whole looks better than in large European countries - Italy , France , Germany and the UK . In addition, Sberbank data indicates a recovery in consumer activity.

    It is also indicated that the volume of production in the automotive industry has recovered, which was in the region of zero just a couple of months ago. This, as the authors of the article write, indicates that manufacturers have managed to replace supplies from Western countries.

    "In dollar terms, monthly imports to Russia almost surpassed the average for last year," the report says.

    In addition, the publication recalled the recent publication of the International Monetary Fund, in which the IMF again improved the forecast for the Russian economy: in 2022, a decline of only 3.4% is now expected against the July forecast of six percent, although in April the data said that the country's GDP will fall by 8.5%.

    https://ria.ru/20221013/retsessiya-1823672367.html

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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:09 pm

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    Post  kvs Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:52 pm

    Kiko wrote:Media: the Russian economy is increasing activity against the backdrop of a recession in Europe, 10.13.2022.

    In addition, the publication recalled the recent publication of the International Monetary Fund, in which the IMF again improved the forecast for the Russian economy: in 2022, a decline of only 3.4% is now expected against the July forecast of six percent, although in April the data said that the country's GDP will fall by 8.5%.

    https://ria.ru/20221013/retsessiya-1823672367.html

    The discussion about Russian losses from natural gas export restrictions brings up the question as to what is exactly the contraction
    that is being forecast. Russia is not being sliced off from its export revenues and instead is massively import substituting. So
    this 3.4% is fluff. It is probably some portfolio capital flight and not anything relevant to the core economy. Every dollar of
    imports replaced by internal production translates into a two dollar GDP increase. This is because the negative is replaced with
    a positive.

    The western companies fleeing Russia are not leading to closures of local plants and shops. So what is happening is that the
    money previously being sent to the west is staying in Russia. There is no indication of any surge in unemployment in Russia
    so as far as I can tell there is no economic contraction at all.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:08 pm

    kvs wrote:
    The discussion about Russian losses from natural gas export restrictions brings up the question as to what is exactly the contraction
    that is being forecast.   Russia is not being sliced off from its export revenues and instead is massively import substituting.   So
    this 3.4% is fluff.   It is probably some portfolio capital flight and not anything relevant to the core economy.   Every dollar of
    imports replaced by internal production translates into a two dollar GDP increase.   This is because the negative is replaced with
    a positive.  
    The western companies fleeing Russia are not leading to closures of local plants and shops.   So what is happening is that the
    money previously being sent to the west is staying in Russia.   There is no indication of any surge in unemployment in Russia
    so as far as I can tell there is no economic contraction at all.

    I will just leave it for consideration, that those models calculate debt repayment as a GDP decrease, and inew debts as GDP increase.
    And they are doing that with all the seriousness they are capable of.
    Only this year, Russia repaid almost 40 bln$ of its debts, and yes, that is ... a GDP decrease Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ahmedfire Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:25 pm

    SA just throw a bomb under Biden's chair , this from last thursday.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:33 pm

    Middle East is gone.
    Africa is gone.
    East is gone.
    South America is gone.
    Middle America is gone.
    Holly shit, this looser Putin has a really bad habits to make everything gone for the victorious Muricans Shocked

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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 15, 2022 8:58 pm

    But... but... They still got western and middle Europe!!!  Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:16 am

    Hole wrote:But... but... They still got western and middle Europe!!!  Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Not to forget Singapore, which voted with the Western bloc.
    And Puerto Rico of course.

    And Pakistan, where they deposed Imran Khan What a Face

    Only problem is, the guy they swapped in there seems to be actually more pro-Russian than the last guy, going by his meeting with Putin on the sidelines of the SCO summit

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:33 am

    And they can always count on Haiti. Or attack it, like now.

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