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    Post  ahmedfire Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:36 pm


    125 years after foundation: German construction company Wolff Hoch- und Ingenieurbau insolvent.

    130 years after foundation: German confectionery manufacturer Bodeta insolvent.

    156 years after foundation: German automotive supplier Borgers insolvent.

    170 years after foundation: German soap maker Kappus insolvent.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:53 pm

    Damn, even soap.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:07 am

    What a bunch of idiots

    Cheap Ukrainian labour and mail-order brides worth it?
    Hell they could have got just as many of those without the Ukraine having a Western-coup regime

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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:00 am

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:28 pm

    Appetite came during import substitution


    Speaking yesterday at parliamentary hearings in the Federation Council, Vasily Osmakov, First Deputy Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, announced the government’s actual transition to a new model of import substitution: if until now it was only about economically justified substitution in critical industries, then under the sanctions, needs are expanding, and the government needs to “Learn to launch planned unprofitable projects.”


    wareness of the scale of what is needed is also growing: the portfolio of priority investment projects is estimated at 5.2 trillion rubles. (164 projects in the chemical industry, pharmaceuticals, metallurgy, mechanical engineering), and taking into account aviation, shipbuilding and electronics, it exceeds 6 trillion rubles.

    As the deputy minister explained, this refers, for example, to the localization of the production of key substances for the production of vital medicines, the development of a universal component base for the automotive industry, and the “sovereignization” of rolling stock. Earlier, we recall that the Ministry of Industry and Trade intended to concentrate efforts on several key industries, but their needs, probably, made it clear that import substitution would have to be dealt with in related industries related to them by supply chains.

    Support for enterprises is packaged within the framework of existing mechanisms, increasing the pace and volume of their implementation. Thus, under the R&D subsidy program (Decree No. 1649 of December 12, 2019), the same number of projects were launched in 2022 as in 2019–2021 (130–140 projects). Interest in concessional financing of the Industrial Development Fund (IDF) has grown three to four times since February due to a decrease in the availability of bank lending, which required additional capitalization.

    Expanding demand for product replacement is pushing the White House toward clustered release support.


    All projects will receive comprehensive state support - tax preferences, subsidizing preferential rates and off-take (guarantees for the purchase of products). Under priority projects, companies will be able to receive preferential loans for up to 15 years at a rate of up to 5% per annum and state guarantees or guarantees from VEB.RF for banks. It will be necessary to allocate 126.1 billion rubles from the treasury for these purposes. until 2030, while in 2023 the budget provides for only 5 billion rubles - subsidiary programs reach a peak with a sample in the third or fourth year, Mr. Osmakov explained yesterday. The first loans can be issued already in November-December.

    The White House is looking for approaches to state support for progress
    Under these conditions, reverse engineering becomes a key tool - the development of production according to existing imported samples that need to be repeated. According to the Ministry of Industry and Trade, there are more than 300 positions of critical components in total - we are talking about knives for conveyors of confectionery factories, as well as small engines, but for most of them it is possible to assemble and produce Russian counterparts. For this, enterprises will be able to receive grants for the development of design documentation for the production of dropped components, the Agency for Technological Development will deal with the issuance. The Federation Council also insists on the development of reverse engineering and "fast" R&D, while they are counting on an audit in the regions - an assessment of the real production capabilities of enterprises and the main directions of import substitution."


    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5619916





    Commersant isn't really pro govt or pro Russian but this is interesting info: so no more market economy rather planning and when something is needed then there si no need to economically justify this.


    This is fucking finally breaking from 90s legacy - it's not economically justified to do R&D since you can buy "better" form abroad and sell only crude oil... russia russia russia









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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:42 pm

    Mishustin distributed supervision of high-tech industries among vice-prime ministers


    MOSCOW, October 21 - RIA Novosti. Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin has distributed new responsibilities for supervising high-tech industries among his deputies, the government's Telegram channel reported .

    Andrey Belousov — development of end-to-end technologies, space systems and services;

    Tatyana Golikova - accelerated development of genetic technologies;

    Denis Manturov - technologies of new materials and substances;

    Alexander Novak — energy storage systems, power transmission technologies and distributed smart power systems, hydrogen energy;

    Dmitry Chernyshenko - development of artificial intelligence, communication networks, quantum computing and communications, industrial software and Internet technologies.

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    Vladimir Putin proposed assigning new directions to the vice-premiers at a meeting of the Council for Strategic Development and National Projects in mid-July. The President called for "more ambitious indicators" to be determined based on the needs of the economy.

    https://ria.ru/20221021/tekhnologii-1825590443.html


    I wonder where is assigned microelectronics and electronic electronic base?

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    Post  lancelot Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:39 pm

    Hydrogen energy is basically a waste of time. Russia has loads of natural gas which is a lot more energy dense than hydrogen.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:10 pm

    lancelot wrote:Hydrogen energy is basically a waste of time. Russia has loads of natural gas which is a lot more energy dense than hydrogen.

    Only in it's current state bro.
    Russkie wound't bother something that is just fog&mirrors.
    They have returned to the gargantuan flow hydro powerplant for that.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:24 pm

    It's probably for export potential and having the technological base.

    Also, I think Andrey will be probably overlooking the microelectronics base aspect since Roscosmos is also a player in that field. Could be wrong though

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:38 pm

    lancelot wrote:Hydrogen energy is basically a waste of time. Russia has loads of natural gas which is a lot more energy dense than hydrogen.

    You can't generate more natural gas on the fly in the manner of charging a battery from your spare power generation capacity however.

    I mean you can, technically. But you'd need a ready supply of coal or other more or less pure carbon nearby. Then figure out some way of turning it into a gas. Burning coal in the atmosphere binds the carbon atoms with oxygen to produce carbon monoxide. But what you would need is for the carbon to bond with hydrogen. Which doesn't happen in the way of some quick chemical reaction. One route would be liquefying the carbon into oil, and then degrading & evaporating it into a hydrocarbon gas such as methane.
    If you have a spare empty coal mine then you can try for underground gasification, pumping hot air in to oxydise the coal and then drilling some wells to get impure natural gas out.
    All of these methods though are pretty complicated and expensive. And wasteful with potentially a lot of by-products that can pollute unless you reprocess or use them as well.

    Whereas to generate hydrogen, all you need is a supply of water nearby; either fresh or sea-water. If it's sea-water then you might want to distill it first, but that's the only complication. Then it's just a matter of electrolysis - which is an incredibly simple and cheap process. One electrode at one end and another at the other end. And you'll generate as much hydrogen as you have both power and a water supply to spare. The only by-product you'll get is oxygen, which solves itself.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:43 pm

    Hydrogen engines are truly ecological unlike electrocars scam. On top hydrogen related technologies can constitute good export niche. Not only to export liquified hydrogen alone.


    sepheronx wrote:It's probably for export potential and having the technological base.

    Also, I think Andrey will be probably overlooking the microelectronics base aspect since Roscosmos is also a player in that field.  Could be wrong though

    and Rosatom. I thought that new materials could be a candidate but guess Andrey sounds plausible. Most important its not Golikova not Chubais :d

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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:07 am

    If the fuel cell technology they are working on for their submarines can be made to work properly it is four times more powerful than current fuel cells and works directly with diesel or petrol or other hydrocarbon fuels.

    But it does not burn them so the carbon is released as a solid byproduct which is actually valuable for carbon fibre and carbon nanotubes etc.

    Essentially with their fuel cell technology you can use it to power your car using normal petrol or diesel and the byproduct will be heat, water (steam), and solid carbon which has a value, but you could discard it if you don't want it... it is not toxic or dangerous... it is actually a useful material.

    All the existing infrastructure to distribute fuel can continue to be used and diesel and petrol are highly concentrated hydrogen sources that don't need compression or low temperature to store or distribute.

    Also if you have an electrical source you should be able to create hydrogen if you need it by putting water back through it and applying an electrical charge... say from a solar panel.

    That means you can store energy from the sun any time you collect it and use it later too...

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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:02 pm

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    Post  par far Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:12 pm

    There are talks of the EU and the collective west stealing Russian assets, that maybe worth up to $400 billion.

    How does Russia respond to this?

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    Post  kvs Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:15 pm

    par far wrote:There are talks of the EU and the collective west stealing Russian assets, that maybe worth up to $400 billion.

    How does Russia respond to this?


    You have to be more specific.

    The NATzO west has already seized Russian companies and property abroad. So what assets are they yapping about?

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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:11 pm

    "Up to" is the most important part. There are reports that the figures are massively overstated.

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    Post  par far Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:46 pm

    kvs wrote:
    par far wrote:There are talks of the EU and the collective west stealing Russian assets, that maybe worth up to $400 billion.

    How does Russia respond to this?


    You have to be more specific.

    The NATzO west has already seized Russian companies and property abroad.   So what assets are they yapping about?



    All the Russian assets that have been stolen, how will Russia respond?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:00 pm

    par far wrote:

    All the Russian assets that have been stolen, how will Russia respond?

    Russians should at first place execute all people responsible to keep billions of euro/dollars abroad. As for assets - that's a good question... i guess we have to wait and see

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    Post  kvs Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:57 pm



    Mercouris brings up the question of chips for hypersonic missiles and such. He says that Rostec builds custom chips in low volumes that are not subject to sanctions restrictions. He also says that these are not as sophisticated as those made in Taiwan.

    1) Russia has commercial 90 nm production plants and 90 nm is more than enough for high end CPUs. The sophistication of a CPU is not a simple function of the lithography. Perhaps the Pentium, Pentium II/III (aka Pentium Pro), and Core CPUs were all total rubbish because they were made at resolutions coarser than 90 nm. Clearly this is BS.

    2) Military ICs do not need to be general purpose microprocessors. Custom ICs to implement algorithms in silicon is what is needed. These custom
    ASICs do the job that is required. A hardware-software development model based on general purpose CPUs and some generic programming language such as C++ is not the only one available and not the ultimate one either. In fact, custom hardware is vastly superior to any generically compiled code for a general purpose CPU. So using 90 nm and even coarser manufacturing is not a restriction. If Russia could only build chips at 1 micron resolution then perhaps it would be a problem. But 90 nm enables transistor densities on chips that are sufficiently large.

    3) The Kinzhal and Zircon do not need to carry an supercomputer. They need good senors and navigation capability. They are not training neural networks while they fly.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 28, 2022 12:31 am

    Most IC's used in missiles, drones, etc are rather very basic ASICs using something like 180nm and higher. Radar systems I think was as high as 240nm. And they process in real time but those are DSP cores, very specific. Run something like 100mhz at most.

    Most people aren't aware how this stuff works or what is used and why. What they see is TSMC or something like 10nm or less at Intel and think that is what is needed for military. Those are great for HPC's and just supercomputers. But majority of chips used by the average person are actually much more basic than those. And most of those chips are RISC and not x86, which are more efficient for what they are geared towards than general purpose chips using x86 standard.

    I don't fault people for it. Even I'm not that versed and only know because 1) immediate family member worked in chip design for military use and 2) I work in the tech field just not high up.

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    The NATzO west is waging a jihad against Russia.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:41 am


    All the Russian assets that have been stolen, how will Russia respond?

    They can obviously do the same and seize western assets and funds located on Russian territory, and cancel any debts they might have with any bank or country or organisation that has seized their assets or funds.

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    Post  franco Fri Oct 28, 2022 12:52 pm

    The Russian Foreign Ministry announced the detention of dozens of ships for violations in the implementation of the grain deal

    In the sea corridor intended for the export of grain and other food from the territory of Ukraine, numerous facts of non-compliance with the rules of navigation were recorded. The Russian Foreign Ministry reported the detention of dozens of ships for these and other violations in the implementation of the grain deal.

    This was reported by the press service of the diplomatic department.

    The report says that in total, at least 70 ships were delayed or even completely removed from flights for non-compliance with the terms of the Ukrainian part of the grain deal. In addition to shipping violations, the most common violation is the attempted smuggling of undeclared cargo.

    As for another part of the deal, which provides for the supply of Russian agricultural products to the countries of Asia, Africa and Latin America, non-compliance with the agreements was also noted here. The United States and European countries prevent the export of the above goods.

    The signing of the so-called grain deal took place in Istanbul on July 22. The agreement provides for unhindered supplies of Ukrainian food products, as well as agricultural products and fertilizers from Russia through the seaports.

    https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/204154-v-mid-rossii-soobschili-o-zaderzhanii-desjatkov-sudov-za-narushenija-pri-realizacii-zernovoj-sdelki.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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