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    S-500 'Prometheus' and S-550 missile systems

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:24 pm

    RTN wrote:
    B-2 will not attack S-500 regiments in isolation. They will be accompanied by Boeing E-6 Mercury,  Lockheed EC-130H Compass Call and the EC-135 will provide support followed by F-18 Growlers coming at low altitude. EW will degrade the S-500s radar effectiveness. This will be followed by deployment of ADM-160 MALD DECOYS in dozens and drone-like decoy that generates a radar return similar to the B-2. Eventually the S-500 regiment will be attacked with AGM-88 Harms and JSOW munitions.  
    Except for MALD, all that stuff was present during Allied Force and performed exceptionally poorly against Serbia's mobile SAMs. Nearly 1000 modern aircraft vs. a couple batteries of obsolete Soviet gear and with all the time in the world to dismantle the Serbian IADS and you still failed. And you think you can take out an S-500 anytime soon? Delusional.

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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:01 am

    Talk of hype around the S-500 is a retarded, knee-jerk exaggeration by NATzO fanbois. Russians for sure don't hype their systems and
    NATzO drones always assume that Russian tech is mud hut level.

    BTW, announcement of a system and some basic specs is not hype. Hype is the endless drivel about the supremacy of the Patriot
    missile system. It is the yanqui and minion style to hype everything they do short of trips to the toilet.

    Funny how the NATzO fake stream media doesn't even understand the function of the S-500 system.



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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:41 am

    lyle6 wrote:
    RTN wrote:
    B-2 will not attack S-500 regiments in isolation. They will be accompanied by Boeing E-6 Mercury,  Lockheed EC-130H Compass Call and the EC-135 will provide support followed by F-18 Growlers coming at low altitude. EW will degrade the S-500s radar effectiveness. This will be followed by deployment of ADM-160 MALD DECOYS in dozens and drone-like decoy that generates a radar return similar to the B-2. Eventually the S-500 regiment will be attacked with AGM-88 Harms and JSOW munitions.  
    Except for MALD, all that stuff was present during Allied Force and performed exceptionally poorly against Serbia's mobile SAMs. Nearly 1000 modern aircraft vs. a couple batteries of obsolete Soviet gear and with all the time in the world to dismantle the Serbian IADS and you still failed. And you think you can take out an S-500 anytime soon? Delusional.
    Not to mention that the S-500s will be immersed in the Russian continental IADS, and will be well protected.

    Stupid arrogant murkans and their easily rebutted nonsense. Incompetency and ignorance of such magnitudes are why these clowns couldn't impose their will on a medieval shithole like Afghanistan after 20 years and over 1T of taxpayer money spent, and couldn't hold their puppet regime together long enough to complete an orderly "evacuation" aka running home to mommy with the cowardly tails between their legs, and doing nothing in return 'cept blowing up an aid worker and half a dozen kids with a hellfire before claiming he was an ISIS-K operative... But yeah, lets fanaticize how murkan magic tech is gonna take out S-500s with impunity... clown

    Who gives a flying fvck what these censored think? Suspect

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    Post  RTN Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:05 am

    Hole wrote:Then why the heck couldn´t the PAC-3 not shot down a simple drone coming from Yemen? Suprior tech my ass! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
    Humor me, till date, what has the S-400 shot down?

    Despite being deployed in Syria it was never used. Happens with over hyped systems.
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    Post  Lennox Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:38 am

    RTN wrote:
    Hole wrote:Then why the heck couldn´t the PAC-3 not shot down a simple drone coming from Yemen? Suprior tech my ass! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
    Humor me, till date, what has the S-400 shot down?

    Despite being deployed in Syria it was never used. Happens with over hyped systems.

    Do they have to tell you when they use them? And would using the S-400 radar to track targets and guide missiles of other systems be counted as 'used'?

    Also, they did shoot down a lot of target practice. Sure, they did not shoot down real targets in real combat, but the thing is, the S-400 was supposed to serve as deterrence against threats from insurgents to the Russian bases in Syria. They also have Iskander, but you don't see them throwing missiles around. And the Russian sure as hell won't shoot down an Israeli aircraft if it doesn't come near Russian bases in the first place, because believe it or not the two countries actually cooperate a lot.
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    Post  RTN Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:37 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Stupid arrogant murkans and their easily rebutted nonsense.  Incompetency and ignorance of such magnitudes are why these clowns couldn't impose their will on a medieval shithole like Afghanistan after 20 years and over 1T of taxpayer money spent, and couldn't hold their puppet regime together long enough to complete an orderly "evacuation" aka running home to mommy with the cowardly tails between their legs, and doing nothing in return 'cept blowing up an aid worker and half a dozen kids with a hellfire before claiming he was an ISIS-K operative...  But yeah, lets fanaticize how murkan magic tech is gonna take out S-500s with impunity...  clown

    Russian dicks on the other hand fought for 10 years in Afghanistan and lost and can barely hold on to Chechnya.

    Russia "best country in the world" but Russians will live in the West. Their numbers continue to increase in the West. They have realized that S-500 may protect them from U.S missiles but nothing can protect them from their mafia ruled state that is Russia.

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    Post  Singular_Transform Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:59 am

    RTN wrote:
    Hole wrote:Then why the heck couldn´t the PAC-3 not shot down a simple drone coming from Yemen? Suprior tech my ass! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
    Humor me, till date, what has the S-400 shot down?

    Despite being deployed in Syria it was never used. Happens with over hyped systems.


    The S-125 downed several planes, the S-400 a drasticly upgraded system, with 50 years + experience built in.

    And by my best knowledge in Syria the foreign mercanaries hasn't got airforce.
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    Post  Singular_Transform Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:01 am

    RTN wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Stupid arrogant murkans and their easily rebutted nonsense.  Incompetency and ignorance of such magnitudes are why these clowns couldn't impose their will on a medieval shithole like Afghanistan after 20 years and over 1T of taxpayer money spent, and couldn't hold their puppet regime together long enough to complete an orderly "evacuation" aka running home to mommy with the cowardly tails between their legs, and doing nothing in return 'cept blowing up an aid worker and half a dozen kids with a hellfire before claiming he was an ISIS-K operative...  But yeah, lets fanaticize how murkan magic tech is gonna take out S-500s with impunity...  clown

    Russian dicks on the other hand fought for 10 years in Afghanistan and lost and can barely hold on to Chechnya.

    Russia "best country in the world" but Russians will live in the West. Their numbers continue to increase in the West. They have realized that S-500 may protect them from U.S missiles but nothing can protect them from their mafia ruled state that is Russia.

    Nice trolling : ) .

    I presume you lived a lot in Russia an say in the USA to have the capability to say anything like this : )

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:18 am

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    RTN wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Stupid arrogant murkans and their easily rebutted nonsense.  Incompetency and ignorance of such magnitudes are why these clowns couldn't impose their will on a medieval shithole like Afghanistan after 20 years and over 1T of taxpayer money spent, and couldn't hold their puppet regime together long enough to complete an orderly "evacuation" aka running home to mommy with the cowardly tails between their legs, and doing nothing in return 'cept blowing up an aid worker and half a dozen kids with a hellfire before claiming he was an ISIS-K operative...  But yeah, lets fanaticize how murkan magic tech is gonna take out S-500s with impunity...  clown

    Russian dicks on the other hand fought for 10 years in Afghanistan and lost and can barely hold on to Chechnya.

    Russia "best country in the world" but Russians will live in the West. Their numbers continue to increase in the West. They have realized that S-500 may protect them from U.S missiles but nothing can protect them from their mafia ruled state that is Russia.

    Nice trolling : ) .

    I presume you lived a lot in Russia an say in the USA to have the capability to say anything like this : )

    RTN has been trolling like this for quite some time. It's best to put him on ignore cause not only does he not have anything intelligible to say, he isn't constructive at all.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:23 am

    Which makes it a more superior system compared to the S-400 because satellite time makes the PAC-3's interceptors that much more accurate.

    No it does not... it means to keep being able to use the PAC-3s you need to keep paying the US for access to the relevant satellites, and it also means if relations sour you might lose access... and of course if the enemy is a country higher up the pecking order than you you likely will lose access anyway.

    The Ground based S-400 can intercept faster moving targets than the PAC-3... that is why Turkey was interested because to get an American system to approach the capability of the S-400 they would need to buy THAAD and PAC-3, but also PAC-2 batteries too because without the PAC-2 they couldn't shoot down conventional and low flying targets. They would also need to pay for 24/7 satellite time for the THAAD and PAC-3 to actually work.

    S-400 is already cheaper than buying Patriot let alone THAAD and multiple versions of the Patriot systems let alone the satellite time to allow them to work properly.

    Let Russia develop such tech first. Cost of S-400 and S-500 will also increase.

    Both systems already come with the radar and systems needed to make them work.

    Both already work in an IADS network operating OTH radar that extend their range vastly further than any satellite could... a satellite can only communicate with a ground station for about 6 minutes as it flys over... the Russian IADS network extends about 6,000km beyond Russian borders covering an area no satellite could match and does it 24/7 down to sea level out up out into space.

    Fertile imagination. Given the proclivity of Syrian S-300s to shoot down Russian intelligence gathering aircraft we should not be worried.

    The Il-20 was shot down with an SA-3 or SA-5 and it was shot down before they were integrated into the IADS network the Russians were operating.

    The SA-3 or SA-5 battery was operating on its own with no information from any other platform... it detected a target and engaged it.

    The Russians using the S-400 system saw exactly what happened as it was happening but could not communicate to the Syrians in real time what the evil Israelis were doing.

    So despite attempts by the Israelis to blame Syria the Russians knew the Israelis were using the Russian aircraft as cover to hide their aircraft so the obvious solution was to link the Syrian air defence forces into the Russian IADS so they can tell which track is which aircraft and not mistakenly shoot down another Russian plane... even when the Israelis lure them to try to get them to do so.

    The Syrians now likely have a better view of the region than Israel or Turkey do.

    B-2 will not attack S-500 regiments in isolation.

    B-2s wont get near Russian borders... they will be detect at about 3,000km from Russian airspace and will be met at the border and shot down.

    They will be accompanied by Boeing E-6 Mercury, Lockheed EC-130H Compass Call and the EC-135 will provide support followed by F-18 Growlers coming at low altitude.

    Which will also be detected and shot down at range by MiG-31s and Su-35s and Su-57s.

    [quote]EW will degrade the S-500s radar effectiveness./quote]
    EW from what?

    MiG-31Ks will be sinking any ships or destroying land bases while MiG-31BMs will be shooting down AWACS and tanker aircraft as well as bombers and their missiles already in the air.

    Eventually the S-500 regiment will be attacked with AGM-88 Harms and JSOW munitions.

    These HARMS and JSOWs... can they reach targets 2,500km away?... assuming they are approaching from outside Russian air space they will need to run the gauntlet of an enormous range of SAM sites and aircraft all working together to deal with the incoming threats while other missiles and aircraft will be dealing with launch platforms and launch positions these attacking aircraft and weapons will be coming from.


    Syria lost three Pantsir-S1 and one Buk-1 air defense systems deployed in Idlib.These systems became a target of Turkish drones, which employed electronic warfare to evade the air defense systems.

    Individual air defence vehicles are vulnerable to a mass attack intended to over whelm them.... in this context it is meaningless... it would be like saying a US aircraft carrier on its own in the Black Sea facing the Russians will be sunk... well duh...

    That does not tell you anything about anything...

    Not that U.S needs to use B-2 against the S-500.

    The B-2 would have no idea of where the S-500 even was.

    They have radars tracking targets in space, and the primary role of the S-500 will be shooting down incoming ballistic targets like SLBMs and ICBMs... with all the airfields in the far north and far east and the growth in the ports with arctic traffic there are going to be more and more population centres in the normally empty parts of Russia... their OTH radar will detect threats very early on and aircraft can be launched to meet them, while ship and land based systems can start whittling down then numbers and identifying concentrations that could be nuked why still outside of Russian territory... over Poland or the Baltic States for instance... or Norway or Finland...

    Tomahawk missiles fired from US surface combatants in the Mediterranean Sea that has features such as digital scene matching and area co-relation and terrain contour matching, can target even without the navigation of the GPS system, rendering the S-500 across the border incapable of intercepting the missile

    Russian OTH radar can detect US F-35s on the Iran Iraq border... do you think Tomahawks would be a problem.

    Syria shot down 71 western missiles without an IADS... that is individual SAM and air defence vehicles broken up into individual vehicles and spread across their territory and they got a 100% kill rate vs the missiles that were attacking targets that were defended.

    I would think Russia with a much more extensive range of systems linked together and working together could do even better... and those western platforms in the Med might get a very high speed visitor too.

    The main characteristic of the S-300 is the mobility, the early warning radar system follow the agressors with VHF/UHF radars, the enemy aircrafts has no cluse about the position of the S-300 units - they are activated only if they are in good position to shoot down the intruders.

    And if they put up an A-100 it will be able to provide target information to all the S-300, S-350, S-400, S-500, and BUK batteries in the region so those systems wont need to use search or tracking radar...

    Humor me, till date, what has the S-400 shot down?

    Nothing is prepared to fly close to it for us to find out... Israeli F-35s wont even enter Syrian airspace any more...

    Despite being deployed in Syria it was never used. Happens with over hyped systems.

    The S-400s there are Russian missiles there to protect Russian forces and Russian troops... notice the US and Turkey have not tried to impose a no fly zone over Syria like they did with Iraq, and Israel hides behind Russian planes or attacks from a country away... surely the F-35 could drop some dumb bombs and take out those S-400s out... the F-35 certainly needs some positive press or it will be a dodo...

    Russian dicks on the other hand fought for 10 years in Afghanistan and lost and can barely hold on to Chechnya.

    That was the Soviets, and they were fighting an enemy supported and funded by Saudi Arabia, the US and Pakistan and China... who was funding and supporting the Taliban? Probably only Saudi Arabia and Pakistan...

    Barely hold on to Chechnia? You are joking right?

    I wonder how much those 13 Americans dead in Kabul cost Putin.... Twisted Evil

    The real irony is that an ISIS bomb killed 13 Americans and then the remaining Americans murdered 150 of the people queued up to be saved and escape to the west... then they trimmed that cake by murdering a guy that worked for them and his children...

    Russia "best country in the world" but Russians will live in the West. Their numbers continue to increase in the West. They have realized that S-500 may protect them from U.S missiles but nothing can protect them from their mafia ruled state that is Russia.

    You really are bitter and angry aren't you?

    Three quarters of a billion dollars a year on toys but most of them are broken or need batteries.... I can understand... if it was my tax money I would be pissed off too.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:26 am

    The real irony that I didn't actually mention... if you are not a friend of the US of A so you can't get PAC-3 Patriot it is actually OK because PAC-3 Patriot is only able to intercept Scud like missiles so even a BUK or an S-300 would do the job just fine... without satellites or any crap like that.

    At 4.8km/s target speed the S-400 can deal with IRBMs and SLBMs... again without satellites... for most countries S-400 is too powerful... smaller systems are cheaper and effective enough.
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:41 am

    What do we even comment, folks?!?
    What we have witnessed for the last few years should have opened the eyes of any disbeliever, if only one had something more inside a skull than a thread to keep the ears attached...
    Syrians are blowing the most potent Israeli attack measures out of the sky, using outdated, 40+ y/o Soviet legacy systems.
    While being outnumbered.
    The sole existence of the more modern Russian systems simple closed the Syrian airspace.
    Even slightly outdated from the Russian perspective Fort on board 1164 located offshore was enough, to influence whole shooting plans for three of the mightiest NATO member states, all of them nuclear-capable.
    Out of 200 cruise missiles used - and that has been the most deadly salvo since the Desert Storm, unseen ever since, only several reached their targets.
    On the other hand, the whole integrated AD system that US has, employed on the strategic theatre of one of their most trusted allies, was totally unable to stop small-scale attacks performed with 40 y/o Iranian missile technology.
    It is a full-scale fiasco and humiliation.
    One must be a moron not to admit that.
    What is a point discussing with morons? scratch

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    Post  Arrow Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:44 am

    At 4.8km/s target speed the S-400 can deal with IRBMs and SLBMs... again wrote:


    Garry S 400 systems are not to intercept SLBM RV flight speed more than 6 km/s. The S 500, 53T6M, and other components of the A 225 ABM system can intercept SLBMs.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:14 pm

    An object moving through space at 7km/s is slowed down by the atmosphere... depending on the drag coefficient a reentry vehicle coming in at 7km/s might slow down to 4km/s at 21km altitude or with a low drag shape 4km/s at 5km altitude... either way it is hittable with S-400.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:26 pm

    RV warheads from the SLBM missile has the same speed as the RV from the ICBM missile.  The current SLBMs are ICBMs only fired from a submarine, have a continental range and a speed of over 7 km / s when go through the atmosphere.  The passage through the atmosphere is short, the loss of speed is small.  The HGV warhead, i.e. Avangard, may have a greater loss of speed in the terminal phase, because it performs most of the flight at the border with the atmosphere and in the atmosphere, but of course it maneuvers along the entire trajectory.
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:39 pm

    GarryB wrote: Both systems already come with the radar and systems needed to make them work.
    Satellite time is available for S-400 as well but only with GLONASS. China and India might not be able to use their own satellite constellation.
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:09 pm

    Russia's Deputy PM has already stated that India might be the first export customer of the S-500.

    In the past under the buy back option Indian Su 30s were bought and replaced with the Su 30MKI. India is purchasing 5 regiments of the S-400, so Russia can do something similar right now by deciding to export at least 2 regiments of the S-500 after exporting the first 3 regiments of the S-400.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:39 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Stupid arrogant murkans and their easily rebutted nonsense.  Incompetency and ignorance of such magnitudes are why these clowns couldn't impose their will on a medieval shithole like Afghanistan after 20 years and over 1T of taxpayer money spent, and couldn't hold their puppet regime together long enough to complete an orderly "evacuation" aka running home to mommy with the cowardly tails between their legs, and doing nothing in return 'cept blowing up an aid worker and half a dozen kids with a hellfire before claiming he was an ISIS-K operative...  But yeah, lets fanaticize how murkan magic tech is gonna take out S-500s with impunity...  clown

    Russian dicks on the other hand fought for 10 years in Afghanistan and lost and can barely hold on to Chechnya.

    Russia "best country in the world" but Russians will live in the West. Their numbers continue to increase in the West. They have realized that S-500 may protect them from U.S missiles but nothing can protect them from their mafia ruled state that is Russia.

    Try again loser.  Russians left after 9 years and the Najibullah gov they supported smashed the bee-jeesus outta the cavemen Mujas when they tried to zerg the government on the Soviet departure.  The regime troops were prepared to fight hard and win against the mujas and the Kabul gov only collapsed in 1992 cuz comprador MFer Yeltsin succumbed to US pressure and pulled support and abandoned them (while the US and the Saudis continued to pour support into their criminal terror gangs).  Compare that with your pathetic performance where the puppets folded before you could run away Twisted Evil

    Didn't see this happening in 1989...

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    Sure, Yeltsin fucked up on Chechnya.  Then along came Putin. When the US/Saudi-backed jihadis tried to expand their operation and invaded Dagestan, Putins boys kicked their sad sorry Wahhabi arses back into the stone age and ground their bloody remains into the dirt.  Georgians underestimated Russian resolve, and Saakashvilli suddenly developed a taste for neckwear... Russians got involved in Syria and the murkans laughed about the "inevitable" quagmire, but the neocon trash ain't laughing now... Twisted Evil

    Russia is a mafia state?  LOL!! yeah, keep talking loser.  Murica is fast dissolving into a shithole where people hate each other, the perverts run the roost, and the Deep State has installed a senile fool thru ballot stuffing.  Your country is a frigging laughing stock, but you think that making up BS about Russia is somehow going to get yer chestnuts outta the fire??? Twisted Evil


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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:43 pm

    Oh my, stealthy B-2s are going to be flying over Russian territory as if Russia was indeed a mud hut dweller zero tech zone.
    Such delusion is pathological.

    The US does not have any hypersonic missiles but its fanbois assume that Russia will not be able to blow the B-2s out of the sky
    2,000+ km from its borders. Because "stealthy" means invisible. Like the F-117A.

    Also, super advanced US carrier tubs will park themselves off Russia's coast and send F-22, oops F-35, missions into the interior
    without any worries. Because, reasons.

    This idiocy permeates the US and minion state leaderships as well. Idiots are dangerous to themselves and others.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:48 pm

    kvs wrote:Oh my, stealthy B-2s are going to be flying over Russian territory as if Russia was indeed a mud hut dweller zero tech zone.  
    Such delusion is pathological.  

    The US does not have any hypersonic missiles but its fanbois assume that Russia will not be able to blow the B-2s out of the sky
    2,000+ km from its borders.   Because "stealthy" means invisible.   Like the F-117A.  

    Also, super advanced US carrier tubs will park themselves off Russia's coast and send F-22, oops F-35, missions into the interior
    without any worries.  Because, reasons.

    This idiocy permeates the US and minion state leaderships as well.   Idiots are dangerous to themselves and others.  


    It good that murkans are such arrogant fools. It was positively delicious watching those fools squirm and rage as the Talibs embarrassed them. Imagine their chagrin if these morons try to attack Russia and China, who then sends their much-vaunted fleet to the bottom of the ocean. Twisted Evil
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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:06 pm

    If only it was limited to conventional warfare. These losers will escalate to nuclear.
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    Post  TMA1 Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:11 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Stupid arrogant murkans and their easily rebutted nonsense.  Incompetency and ignorance of such magnitudes are why these clowns couldn't impose their will on a medieval shithole like Afghanistan after 20 years and over 1T of taxpayer money spent, and couldn't hold their puppet regime together long enough to complete an orderly "evacuation" aka running home to mommy with the cowardly tails between their legs, and doing nothing in return 'cept blowing up an aid worker and half a dozen kids with a hellfire before claiming he was an ISIS-K operative...  But yeah, lets fanaticize how murkan magic tech is gonna take out S-500s with impunity...  clown

    Russian dicks on the other hand fought for 10 years in Afghanistan and lost and can barely hold on to Chechnya.

    Russia "best country in the world" but Russians will live in the West. Their numbers continue to increase in the West. They have realized that S-500 may protect them from U.S missiles but nothing can protect them from their mafia ruled state that is Russia.

    Yeah bro our hopelessly corrupt oligarchs are ten times better than their equally corrupt oligarchs. Ours put gay flags on our embassies.
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    Post  limb Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:54 pm

    Isos wrote:I doubt. Those trucks they are mounted on can't give them enough power.

    Low frequency radars generally need huge antennas to work as advertized.

    This system will be connected to ground based OTH radars directly through the IADS.

    Guiding missiles from other plateform is possible through datalink which is the core of IADS so it should be possible. But is it needed ? I doubt. It's better to use airborbe radars because the enemy aircraft when locked on by a ground radar will go down to loose the lock with the radar horizon which doesn't work against airborne radars.

    Why cant they hook up a mobile nuclear reactor to power it?


    Regarding MALD, while not cheap, in large enough quantities they should be useful decoys for larger aircraft and in swarms they would have extreme jamming power. Have the russians figured out how to destroy MALD swarms of jammers while simultaneously destroying swarms of cruise missiles, AWACs tankers, and stealth fighters?


    Also Russian AWACS is pretty crappy, still using a mechanically scanned array. its probably far inferior to S-400 radar or even Zaslon M. Its very important for fighters not to have their radar turned on at all too.
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    Post  Singular_Transform Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:13 am

    limb wrote:

    Why cant they hook up a mobile nuclear reactor to power it?


    Regarding MALD, while not cheap, in large enough quantities they should be useful decoys for larger aircraft and in swarms they would have extreme jamming power. Have the russians figured out how to destroy MALD swarms of jammers while simultaneously destroying swarms of cruise missiles, AWACs tankers, and stealth fighters?

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    Also Russian AWACS is pretty crappy, still using a mechanically scanned array. its probably far inferior to S-400 radar or even Zaslon M. Its very important for fighters not to have their radar turned on at all too.

    This whole decoy thing is smelling for me.

    If they are cheap , then they can't keep up with the airplane, if they are fast and expensive and keep up with the plane then why just use them as strike weapon , and forget the plane ?

    Why not use missiles to shoot doen the incoming SAM interceptor ?

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    Post  Isos Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:16 am

    Or just make them go on the SAM even without warhead they could destroy them.

    Fact is they use an engine similar to a tomahawk or any other cruise missile, they use the same computer and altimeter as on cruise missiles and they use the same guidance kits, probably gps with datalink.

    Only thing missing is warhead. So their price can't be low because it would means tomahawks cost also 200 000$.

    And they use GPS to harass SAM which means against Russian jammers they will go straight to the north pole thinking it's Moscow. Another pretty useless weapon.

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