
guys, I'm sorry if I'm duplicating something. I just can't keep up with the topic updates, you write faster than I can manage to read in between work. But here's a better angle for you, showing the air intake.
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dino00 wrote:Compared to its counterparts, Checkmate has higher performance. "If we compare with the American F-35 fighter, its closest analogue, this is a different aircraft. More speed, more range, greater payload. New qualities. Much better stealth is implemented here. I would not say that it is a correct comparison with any aircraft." It has a unique aerodynamic design, "Bulatov said.
The head of the UAC expressed the hope that the new light fighter and its unmanned version will be of interest to the Russian Aerospace Forces. He stressed that the aircraft is an initiative development, and negotiations are currently underway with the military department as a potential customer.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11947075
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kiko wrote:“It is a unique airplane,” they told reporters, adding that the Checkmate is faster, has longer range, smaller radar signature, and can carry more ordnance than the F-35.
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Scorpius wrote:...guys, I'm sorry if I'm duplicating something. I just can't keep up with the topic updates, you write faster than I can manage to read in between work. But here's a better angle for you, showing the air intake.
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Isos wrote:...What I am saying is that they said it will be ready in 2027 for production so either this one is or not a prototype that doesn't change the fact that it won't be sellable for another 5 or 6 years.
So they presented it as a quick solution to get a cheap single engine modern mig-21 but it won't be ready for years and clients may turn their eyes somewhere else or spend their money in their own projects. ...
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Or 2014/15 at MP.net covering the civil war in Ukraine. Astonishing speed and depth of coverage, now lost.PapaDragon wrote:Scorpius wrote:...guys, I'm sorry if I'm duplicating something. I just can't keep up with the topic updates, you write faster than I can manage to read in between work. But here's a better angle for you, showing the air intake.
Don't worry, just keep at it
Besides this is nothing, you should have seen what it was like during Syrian War, we were doing 1 page per minute back then during major ops
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Atmosphere wrote:An empty gripen weighs less than 7 tons.
This aircraft is smaller, with inevitably lower weight of the components and probably even structural materials due to the inevitable lightening that cames with the massive time gap between the two planes, and the fact that checkmate derives dieectly from one of the highest profile projects the UAC has been involved with.
So with that in mind, even the 15T class 117 would give it very high t/w, let alone Izd.30 which would turn in into a controllable rocket rather than an airplane.
I mean imagine 18-19T of thrust for an airplane that would weigh no more than a gripen. With the advantages that would come with less control surfaces, advanced flight controls, and 40 years of aerodynamic refinment since the Su-27.
Marcellogo wrote:They gave a number of 7,4 tons: F-35 is 9,5 ton
Internal carriage?
Only a bomb bay and two small ones for short range missiles. No No No
F-35 carry two medium ones, 6 in total against 3 medium and 2 short range.
And in A2G mission it is limited to carry only short range ones.
IMHO the most disappointing feature of whole plane.
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dino00 wrote:@LMFSHow many Kh-58/59 in total it can carry?
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Atmosphere wrote:...So with that in mind, even the 15T class 117 would give it very high t/w, let alone Izd.30 which would turn in into a controllable rocket rather than an airplane...
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marcellogo wrote:kiko wrote:“It is a unique airplane,” they told reporters, adding that the Checkmate is faster, has longer range, smaller radar signature, and can carry more ordnance than the F-35.
Sorry but this is NOT true.
They gave a number of 7,4 tons: F-35 is 9,5 ton.
Internal carriage?
Only a bomb bay and two small ones for short range missiles.![]()
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F-35 carry two medium ones, 6 in total against 3 medium and 2 short range.
And in A2G mission it is limited to carry only short range ones.
IMHO the most disappointing feature of whole plane.
thegopnik wrote:my concern besides marcellogos.
@48:30~
[Billie Flynn] A: “So right we went from World War one the Red Bear and get the world war two like you're talking about p38 it's Spitfires it's against the great German pilot we get to Korea and fighter jets. we get to Vietnam same sort of thing we get to Top Gun thirty something years ago in that movie of dogfights.
That's not my world anymore.
I see the enemy 200 miles away.
They'll never see you you'll never get to look at an F-35 in a dogfight. Because, he will have killed you many many policies it's significant distances away and you'll never even know that it happened to you.”
I am assuming the nose size is small and the latest presentation they ever did was with fga-35 with 1000 modules giving a 250km performance range. So I am hoping its a new radar with higher performance. Even if the performance specs are close to F-35 I wont complain that much because of the costs of it and its intention for export, but the Su-57 is my king.
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And another game of looking at the intakes begins..Scorpius wrote:
guys, I'm sorry if I'm duplicating something. I just can't keep up with the topic updates, you write faster than I can manage to read in between work. But here's a better angle for you, showing the air intake.
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Big_Gazza wrote:...Whatever the final specs are for this new Sukhoi proposal, you can accept at face value that they will get the actual aircraft correct for the intended missions. The question then is simply what jewellery gets fitted...
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PapaDragon wrote:Isos wrote:...What I am saying is that they said it will be ready in 2027 for production so either this one is or not a prototype that doesn't change the fact that it won't be sellable for another 5 or 6 years.
So they presented it as a quick solution to get a cheap single engine modern mig-21 but it won't be ready for years and clients may turn their eyes somewhere else or spend their money in their own projects. ...
Client is VKS, they will not be turning their eyes anywhere
Also when were they supposed to reveal it?
This is as late as it gets, Tempest was revealed as CGI long plywood mockup and they are nowhere near the first airframe
kvs wrote:dino00 wrote:Compared to its counterparts, Checkmate has higher performance. "If we compare with the American F-35 fighter, its closest analogue, this is a different aircraft. More speed, more range, greater payload. New qualities. Much better stealth is implemented here. I would not say that it is a correct comparison with any aircraft." It has a unique aerodynamic design, "Bulatov said.
The head of the UAC expressed the hope that the new light fighter and its unmanned version will be of interest to the Russian Aerospace Forces. He stressed that the aircraft is an initiative development, and negotiations are currently underway with the military department as a potential customer.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11947075
This is a valid comparison. The F-35 is range limited and this was an issue in Canada when the replacement for the CF-18s came up.
The "Su-75" has a roughly 50% greater max range and combat range.
It's not any F-35ski. The dick strokers need to let go of their members.
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