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    Post  kvs Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:52 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/i-heard-screams-massive-search-underway-after-miami-condo-building-collapse

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    Western MSM propagandists pounce on every infrastructure problem in Russia and China to prove how inferior both are to the stellar west.

    Now you clowns can eat your own shit. This is an epic building fail in the land of the "best in the world in their own minds" people.

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    Post  calripson Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:48 pm

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/i-heard-screams-massive-search-underway-after-miami-condo-building-collapse

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    Western MSM propagandists pounce on every infrastructure problem in Russia and China to prove how inferior both are to the stellar west.

    Now you clowns can eat your own shit.   This is an epic building fail in the land of the "best in the world in their own minds" people.


    The building was built in 1981. Not too old. Was actually undergoing its 40 year recertification. Part of the issue may be the subsoil on a beachfront property. Southern Florida is littered with hundreds of multistory concrete condos built on the beach most dating from the 1960s to 1970s.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:41 am

    calripson wrote:The building was built in 1981. Not too old. ...

    AKA cocaine money laundering project from the good old days of Miami Vice era and it's related construction boom

    Foundations probably contained one too many corpses of the competition Cool

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    Post  kvs Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:15 am



    It is rather obvious that McAfee was a regime critic and he was offed for this.   Julian Assange is being killed slowly by his indefinite
    detention without trial in horrible conditions.   Where are all these human rights and freedoms in the west?   They exist only in western
    propaganda.

    There is a purpose why western regimes are so invested in demonizing Putin and others.   The endless tin foil hat drivel about them offing
    their "opponents" aka has-beens that faded away into obscurity is that this frees up the hands of western elites to engage in political murder.
    Condition the sheeple to expect "them" to engage in this activity, then "we" are squeaky clean.   People are precisely this stupid and such
    tricks work on them.  

    But the time when western sheeple will be moved out of their comfort zone of ignorance is coming.

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    Post  kvs Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:38 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/engineer-firm-warned-major-structural-damage-miami-condo-tower-collapsed

    A 3rd world country posing as the hyper-power.

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    Structural engineering firm Morabito Consultants (MC) completed a field survey report three years ago of the now collapsed Champlain Towers South condominium complex in Surfside, Florida, and found structural damage.

    The nine-page report from October 2018 was first noted by The New York Times on early Saturday. The report provides ample evidence of structural damage to concrete slabs under the pool deck and cracking and crumbling in the parking garage.

    Criminal negligence.
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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:24 am



    This really fits here. The video shows Musk brazenly lying about his "revolutionary" electric semi trailer. This vapourware was
    supposed to be in production 2 years ago.

    This pattern of perpetual lying by experts, gurus and celebrities of all sorts with no damage to their reputation is rampant in the
    west. The western consumer of such trash appears to have the memory of an insect. Facts never, ever stop the freak show.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:18 am

    People call it "Elon Time" for a reason.
    https://elontime.io/?time=2&unit=years

    Either this or the Cyber Truck is supposed to be built at their Texas factory.
    Another possibility is switching their California factory to those once the Texas factory is up and working.

    Their first priority is selling the Model 3 and Y for which they are building the factories in China and Europe.
    It is something they can already build so it is much easier to just ramp that up than start a new model.
    Same reason they are not bothering with the Roadster yet.

    I have to agree that what he mentioned in the video is a major problem. I would not be surprised if they tried to lighten up the chassis as much as they could to stuff more batteries in it. Also by the time they do deliver the tractor truck, if ever, batteries will likely have higher density. They also might put batteries below the trailer.

    You have to remember Elon likes to vertically integrate pretty much everything. I would not be surprised if he thought of the tractor truck because SpaceX carries rocket parts to Texas and then Florida by truck. But like a lot of these off the cuff ideas it does not mean it is a good idea. Plus you have to remember vaporware is how Silicon Valley executives work. They do this all the time. Try reading about Steve Jobs for example. He constantly sold things he did not have. He even did this at Pixar. Same deal with Microsoft which sold DOS to IBM before they had an OS. They had to hurriedly buy an OS off someone else (QDOS from SCP) to deliver something.

    The Tesla Battery is yet another example of something he came up with because they could not build enough cars to use up the battery production at the Nevada battery factory. It was basically designed just to sell batteries. He and his team just come up with these things and sometimes they end up working out and sometimes they don't.
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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:55 pm

    The difference with Gates and Jobs is that they actually delivered on a reasonable time scale. There is no fecking way that there
    will be any electric semi-trailers on US highways until some indefinite future. The Tesla battery is a scam. Changing the form factor
    is not innovation. There is no leap on battery tech (factor of 10 at least in storage density) on the horizon, in the pipeline and
    even in principle. The problem is physics. 1.5 electrons excess per atom works out, but 15 does not. The electric field is
    extremely strong. A hypotethical cup of electrons on Earth and a cup of Protons on the Moon would accelerate the Moon to
    collide with the Earth in a short period of time. Having 15 electrons per atom is essentially a pure electron gas which requires
    magnetic confinement and the "battery" is irrelevant. There is not such thing as a chemical battery with 10 times more storage
    density than the existing ones. Even 3 electrons per atom of battery material is pushing into the electron-dominated regime.
    We now need a completely different storage concept. Super-capacitors are limited by the surface area and essentially have
    the same limitation as regular batteries. Tesla is not the company that will bring humanity new battery tech.

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    Post  lancelot Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:34 am

    A lot of the EV battery industry is now working on solid state batteries. These promise to be faster to charge, less prone to heating or bursting into flames, and maybe up to twice the density in the further away future. If they make them less prone to heating or bursting into flames, they can supposedly reduce the total weight of the overall battery pack significantly.
    https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Business-Spotlight/Can-Japan-and-Toyota-win-the-solid-state-battery-race
    https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Most-read-in-2020/Toyota-s-game-changing-solid-state-battery-en-route-for-2021-debut

    Yeah the "Tesla battery" made by Panasonic which has 50% more capacity by being 50% larger is no improvement. It might reduce assembly costs but that should be it.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:48 am

    It is nice to see new tech advances. But when it comes to batteries we really do need a factor of 10 storage density increase. So a
    whole new concept is required. And such a concept is not going to come from some garage startup but from blue sky research.
    Corporate drones who dismiss blue sky research are full of shit. Everything they make depends on previous blue sky research. Using their
    logic that "private sector" initiative is all you need, we would still be riding the horse and buggy.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:29 am

    kvs wrote:
    A 3rd world country posing as the hyper-power.

    A printing press disguised for a country dunno

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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:16 am



    Note the clown who claims that Russia has always tried to divide Europe. Wow. If you want an example of what sort of
    bubble of BS that many westerners live in here is a good one. He claims to be a historian. Must be reading fan fiction
    and getting confused that it is history.

    The only side that has been attempting divide and conquer over the last 1000+ years has been not Russia. That is,
    U-rope. There is no equivalent of "drang nach osten" to the west from Russia. You can clearly see the western frontline
    in the eastern and even central European slavic lands. After the Schism the Catholic Church and western Catholic states
    have been trying to displace Orthodoxy. They succeeded in Czechia, Slovakia, Poland, Croatia, Slovenia. In western Ukraine
    and Belorus you have the clear evidence of assimilation efforts. Either outright conversion through coercion or the establishment
    of a vassal Orthodoxy known as the Uniates that recognize the supremacy of the Pope and adopt some of the Catholic rites.
    But they still pose in a Byzantine flavour to better integrate into the Orthodox lands. But this is now old history.

    All examples of Russian control of countries to the west is the direct result of western aggression. Poland was a very
    active participant in the never ending war against Russia. This includes trying to foist regime change on Russia during
    the time of the troubles. That it got temporarily absorbed into the Russian Empire is fair and square. The Russian Empire
    never treated Poles the way that Poles and Lithuanians treated western Russians (aka Ukraine and Belorus). There was
    never any forced conversion to Orthodoxy or even coercion to do so. Poles are utter hypocrites in their "grievances" against
    Russia.

    Napoleon's invasion and the subsequent marching of Russian soldiers through Paris is hardly any plan for domination.

    Then we have the Warsaw Pact and post WWII Europe.

    1) Communism taking over in Russia in 1917 was the direct result of western regime change operations. The USA, UK and Germany
    all financed and succored commie revolutionaries and helped to install them. They took advantage of the weakened state of
    Russia thanks to WWI.

    2) WWII was a genocidal war against the USSR. The USSR had perfect rights to impose regime change on active members of
    the genocide squad, which includes Hungary, Romania, and even Poland before WWII which was very much in favour of a crusade
    against the USSR. Romania's Ceausescu problem is not the fault of the USSR. He was local loon who was feted by NATzO and
    fancied himself some sort of Tito in pushing an independent line.

    So the divide and conquer line is pure revisionist drivel. Russia participating in European power politics over the centuries does not
    establish a pattern of control effort.

    By contrast, U-rope is obsessed with Russia because it could not expand east like it wanted. All that lebensraum and the poor dears
    can't grab it. Tough.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:45 am

    The Soviet Union could have easily absorbed Greece, Finland and Austria and they chose not to.

    They also forget that Stalin (yes Stalin) proposed a unified neutral Germany instead of breaking it up into multiple spheres of influence. It was the Western powers which did not let it happen. The US still has a huge troop presence in Germany to this day.

    The UK and US never had any interest in real European integration. The more fragmented the place is the better for them.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:04 pm

    I think the title nailed it.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/528090-lgbt-agenda-tool-policy/

    Spreading 'human rights' at the tip of a bayonet: the LGBT agenda has now become a tool in Western foreign policy across the globe

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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:37 pm

    https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/06/03/658138/Canada-indigenous-children-residential-schools-graves-survivors

    Canada postures with propaganda about some supposed mistreatment of aboriginals in the USSR before WWII.   I even recall David Suzuki,
    the guru of the Canadian environmentalist left, bitching about this in a show on the north-west region bordering with Finland.

    1) The USSR and Russia never ran residential schools in order to forcibly assimilate indigenous peoples into the Russian or Soviet culture.
    There were no gulags for aboriginals and no aboriginals were herded into reservation ghettos like in Canada.   In fact, the USSR established
    ethnic republics like the Sakha Republic.   In principle aboriginals in Russia today can secede, in Canada they have zero ability to do this
    since they have no viable territory and territorial institutions.  

    2) Canada herded its aboriginals into residential ghettos and robbed them of lands that they managed to initially save via treaty. Just like
    in the USA.   A British Columbia judge a while back told aboriginal plaintiffs in a land rights cases that they should stop trying since they
    lost the colonial war.  

    3) Canada deliberately acted to destroy aboriginal language and culture.   Residential schools were forced conversion operations
    and aboriginal children were beaten and starved severely for daring to speak their language.   These were not English as a second
    language schools, they were reeducation camps.   It is no wonder that they are now finding mass graves there.   Somebody slipped
    up and assumed nobody would look.

    The defacement of the statue of the founder of the residential schools is just and proper. Not like the moronic BLM and Antifa attacks
    on statues because they were of white men.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:46 pm

    It's the simple case of projecting.

    Canada knows damn well what horrors they brought on indigenous and all other groups of people. But what they do is try to point the finger and blame someone else saying "look, they did it too!" With pathetic small examples and try to equate it to same level atrocities the Canadians and Americans did. When reality is that Russians did a good job treating indigenous thousands of times better than Canadians did.

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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:52 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:I think the title nailed it.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/528090-lgbt-agenda-tool-policy/

    Spreading 'human rights' at the tip of a bayonet: the LGBT agenda has now become a tool in Western foreign policy across the globe

    Indeed. The west lost its standard "democracy and freedom" collection of tropes to put down other countries, especially its "existential threat"
    Russia. So they are scrambling to come up with a new set of "values" to distinguish themselves and assert moral superiority. It is a total fcuking
    freak show. Child genital mutilation and use of hormone blockers to prevent puberty in order to enable such mutilation will never be moral and just.
    Elevating sexual minorities into privileged classes in society as is brazenly being done now is not any superior set of values. The west has lost
    the plot.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:08 pm



    I linked this in another thread, but it is relevant in this one. The western MSM is outright shilling for junk food corporations citing
    BS "studies" that they fund. Every freaking headline on this BS was misrepresenting the general validity and statistical significance.
    Both the sample size and duration make this "study" total garbage regardless of the contrived experiment. There was zero coverage
    of the brazen conflict of interest.

    This is the same crap as the "studies" cited to "prove" that Putin was killing journalists in Russia since 1990. Except the propaganda
    is not aimed against Russia but against westerners.

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    Post  andalusia Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:43 am

    usually don't read this site but say this about 9/11.  I usually don't believe in the conspiracy theories of 9/11 but this is pretty convincing:

    https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1341980/



    This should have millions of views:

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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:13 pm

    They must be talking about WTC 7.   That was an obvious controlled demolition.   The official story that some debris from the two
    WTC towers overloaded the support columns is total BS.   The amount of debris that fell on this building was very small as you can
    tell from the damage before it "collapsed".    Even if you swallow the BS, then that does not explain a symmetric failure.   The reason
    why controlled demolition is need for high rises is that without precisely timed severing of columns the build can topple to the side
    and damage nearby property.   Debris overload is highly asymmetric and would not result in the uniform failure of the steel columns
    in WTC7.   A localized failure would propagate as a circular wave and its center would be, in this case, close to the side facing
    the two towers.   So the failure would progress on this side first and result in an acceleration of the building mass towards the two towers.
    Just because it is not a solid chunk of material does not mean that gravity acts differently on it.   WTC 7 was a steel beam lattice structure.

    I expect regime bootlicks like PD to start with the usual parade of drivel about how if some tin foil hat kook says something, then it must
    be a lie.   The "symmetric" collapse of the twin towers is a whole different story.   They were basically square tubes with an elevator
    shaft core that was attached to the outer wall via the floor slabs which had radial steel beams.   This is why the windows of the WTC
    were so small, the outer wall was load bearing and not like a lot of towers just a glass shell.   The problem is that the floor slabs were
    attached to the outer wall via metal clips instead of being part of the same concrete and rebar structure.   The architect who designed
    this complex claimed it could withstand an impact from a 707.   He was a liar.   When a similarly sized jet did crash into the building it lead
    to a cascade failure mode this scumbag did not anticipate.  

    Once several of the metal clips were sheared off by the jet crash, the outer wall lost a critical restraint from at least two floor
    slabs on the impact side.   This started an outward buckling that exerted enough force to progressively shear off more of the clips
    which accelerated the buckling.  The buckling and shearing propagated both vertically and along the circumference.   Gravity was
    acting to pull the square tube down and it had no ability to retain its geometry without the slab support.   Once one of the floor
    slabs started to collapse, which more than likely started even before all the clips were detached from the outer wall, the collapse
    became a cascade.  Each floor impacted by the above floor debris had its outer wall clips sheared in fractions of a second.  This
    buckled the outer wall even more.   As you can see from the collapse video the outer wall opened like a flower and came down
    vertically instead of toppling to the side.   The building did not have the sort of structural integrity and rigidity that say a the Chrysler
    building has.   The Chrysler building is a steel beam lattice with a rather dense grid of them.   The WTC twin towers were basically a
    concrete square tube prevented from crumbling under its own weight by the floor slabs attached to the central shaft.   A totally
    different design.  

    People get fixated on how fast the two towers fell and think that it requires controlled demolition.  They are confused.  It is buildings
    like the Chrysler tower that require controlled demolition to shear its steel lattice skeleton in hundreds of places to result in a
    vertical collapse.   The WTC towers collapsed in their own foot print at "free fall" speeds due to the nature of their design.   The
    floors collapsing onto the floors below would not be delayed long enough and the process becomes nearly instantaneous the more
    floors are stacked in the collapse.   There is no particular reason for this collapse to develop an asymmetry leading to a toppling.
    This design just does not have that sort of integrity.  A skew to the side would require the collapse on one side to progress faster
    than the other.   But the wall clips can be effortlessly sheared off by the buckling of the outer wall.   Once the clips are sheared off
    in sufficient number the floor slab falls vertically.   Unlike with a beam lattice like WTC7 and the Chrysler building, there is no structure
    to retain geometry long enough to produce a coherent toppling.   It is simply easier for the WTC tower design to collapse vertically
    and to do so at nearly free fall speed.   The key is the rapid outward buckling of the square exterior wall, it acts in concert with the
    floor stacking.  

    The WTC towers had a terminal design flaw, the clips holding the floor slabs to the outer wall.   This was a grossly flimsy design that
    in no way had any reserve to handle a 707 impact.   I suspect that even if a Cessna had hit the building right and detached a couple
    of the clips, the failure would have been initiated without emergency response.   We do not know the details of how those clips were
    attached.  It seems to me that they were bolted.  They should have been welded to substantial steel supports built into the outer
    wall.  



    The architects in the late 60s and 70s must have been high on acid.


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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:10 am

    If you think of the building as a column of heavy weights being held up by support structures all the way up... when you insert a burning aircraft with all its remaining fuel three quarters of the way up and burn out the supports, then the top third of the building then becomes a sledgehammer... not big enough to crush the entire building by itself, but the floor below the impact and the floors below that and below that and below that and as it keeps crushing the floors and the structure below it it gets more and more mass and becomes heavier so each floor becomes easier and easier to crush till it gets to the ground and then it is the floors above in the top third that are stopped suddenly by impact with the ground that get crushed too and the whole building is flattened, because the support structure was never intended to do anything other than resist gravity or the fixed and non moving mass located above it.

    The momentum of a stationary mass is zero, but a falling mass gains momentum rapidly as it accelerates with the gravity of the planet pulling it down.

    There is no need for explosives in this scenario... when explosives are used for demolition they don't blow the building up, they just destroy a few structurally important parts of the building and let the weight of the building collapse on itself.

    Most building demolitions use a lot less explosive than those aircraft contained in terms of fuel on impact.

    The real conspiracy is that Saudi Arabia got let off the hook for funding and supporting it and it was Iraq and Afghanistan that were invaded as a result...

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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:21 am

    The Chrysler tower got hit by a B-25 and survived. The WTC twin towers did not have the load bearing ability of the
    steel beam lattice of older designs. They represent some sort of post-modernist minimalism and failed accordingly. Once the
    outer wall is detached from the slab that is restraining it from buckling on one side, there is a runaway collapse. There is no need
    for thermite or whatnot. I have seen videos of what looks like explosive blowout from the upper floors, but that is easily explained
    by the cascading floor collapse. It will be explosively expelling the air between the floor slabs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Empire_State_Building_B-25_crash

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    Note the fire on the top floors. I suppose that a 737 unloading its fuel load and momentum into it would have resulted in
    much more damage. If the fire went out of control it would have probably collapsed. But it would have taken the fire
    softening the steel frame over a few hours and not the shearing of some connector clips.





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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:42 pm



    The D. Party is staining its undies with anger and hate over the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and is venting it a Germany for betraying
    the west. Bloomturd has put out a foaming at the mouth editorial repeating all the tired tropes. For example, that somehow
    Russia gets more opportunity to blackmail U-rope. So shipping gas through Banderastan is OK, but bypassing it is blackmail.
    And Americans lap this shit up with relish...

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:20 am

    But don't you love the irony... the US is squealing about the dangers of Russia and China... separate or together becoming a rival to US power, but the real funny thing is that they are squealing to the EU which could also become a major world power if it wasn't so subservient to the US on everything...
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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:43 am



    Once again, anyone who spreads truth in the USA is either suicided or sent to jail. This is the self-anointed paragon of
    democracy.


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