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    Project 885: Yasen class #2

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    Post  LMFS Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:08 am

    Arrow wrote:Why do you think Tgey don't want to?  Every country would like to dominate.  There is simply no strength or resources to do it.

    Dominating is very unwise and anti-economical. It drains power without limits, it forces to fight everyone everywhere instead of picking your fights. The goal is deterrence of potential enemies, not their submission. At least by now that is the case, if they reach a de facto dominant military position, the temptation to use it will grow, of course.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:30 pm

    Because the financial burden of having to build and operate 12 aircraft carrier groups with 12 CVNs and probably 3-4 cruisers per CVN and another 4-6 destroyers for each carrier group plus extra SSNs and SSGNs to operate with those carrier groups would bankrupt most countries... but even if they managed to achieve this level of production and operational performance... what do they do?

    Just sail around doing fuck all to help Russia and just look big and powerful.

    Not every country would want to dominate because the costs are too high and the return is pride... while your people are living like a third world country to pay for all these new ships you don't really need.

    Pissing away too much money on your military leads to what America has become... having to create wars to justify your existence... dirty.
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    Post  Singular_Transform Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:50 pm

    Arrow wrote:
    GarryB wrote:

    Russia does not need to dominate... they don't .


    Why do you think Tgey don't want to?  Every country would like to dominate.  There is simply no strength or resources to do it.

    It is more complex than that.

    The top dog get the cream of profit of all global transaction, means he get money for little effort.

    This worth lot to keep.

    In the past 80 years the USA played "whos the chicken" with everyone, when there was a confrontation he signaled the will to obliterate big part of the manking (and third of all USA citizen) in a global nuclear war.

    Soon a country will call this bluff.
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    Post  LMFS Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:24 pm

    Source: the first serial submarine of the project 885m "Novosibirsk" will be handed over to the Navy at the end of 2021

    Before that, the submarine must complete factory sea trials and pass state tests.

    MOSCOW, March 9. /TASS/. The first serial nuclear submarine of project 885m code Yasen-M Novosibirsk will be delivered to the Russian Navy at the end of 2021. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.

    "The nuclear submarine will be handed over to the fleet in the fourth quarter of 2021. Before that, Novosibirsk must complete its factory sea trials and pass state tests, " the source said. According to him, during the state tests, the submarine will perform launches of onyx and Kalibr-PL missiles.

    TASS has no official confirmation of this information.

    Thus, this year the shipbuilders of Sevmash (part of the United shipbuilding Corporation) are preparing to transfer the lead submarine of project 885m Kazan and the first serial submarine Novosibirsk to the Russian Navy. The company has six more submarines of this project in various stages of construction.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10857839

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    Post  George1 Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:12 pm

    Russian shipbuilders to float out 2nd Yasen-M-class nuclear-powered sub in August

    https://tass.com/defense/1265251

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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:01 pm

    George1 wrote:Russian shipbuilders to float out 2nd Yasen-M-class nuclear-powered sub in August

    https://tass.com/defense/1265251

    3rd 885M, not 2nd. Novisibirsk was 2nd 885M, Kazan was 1st.

    https://flotprom.ru/2021/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%8813/

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    Post  The_Observer Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:49 am

    owais.usmani wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russian shipbuilders to float out 2nd Yasen-M-class nuclear-powered sub in August

    https://tass.com/defense/1265251

    3rd 885M, not 2nd. Novisibirsk was 2nd 885M, Kazan was 1st.

    https://flotprom.ru/2021/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%8813/

    Correct, but it's the second serially produced 885M unit.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:19 pm

    It is more complex than that.

    The top dog get the cream of profit of all global transaction, means he get money for little effort.

    This worth lot to keep.

    Lets be honest... the US and the west have dominated a lot of markets and the fluid you call cream is more accurately described as blood.

    Russia does not need to destroy the west and steal her resource markets.... she just needs to present herself as a viable and much safer alternative trade partner that wont brutalise you when it suits.

    Russia doesn't need to dominate the entire world at once... just open and free trade... for which the west is no longer competitive, which is why they needed the monopoly to start with.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:06 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Russia does not need to destroy the west and steal her resource markets.... she just needs to present herself as a viable and much safer alternative trade partner that wont brutalise you when it suits.

    And just what do you think that will do?


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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:03 am

    Like it or not the west is essentially the international economy... if it breaks and the rules are totally ignored then you have chaos for everyone... which is a nightmare for small countries and instability for bigger ones which is not good for growth and development.

    Russia can play by western rules without playing with the west... the system is broken in favour of the US and EU but that only matters if you have a lot of trade with them and thanks to sanctions and attempts at isolation Russia does not have a lot of trade with the west now.

    Russia trading with the rest of the world will allow development and growth for both parties... better standard of living and improvements all round... but Russia needs to be strong and mobile enough to ensure the west can't or wont do anything to stop them.

    Russia is not the worlds police and is not obliged to save any country from anyone or anything.

    Yasen is part of a military system that can go most places and have an impact if needed, but they also need to show the flag... the Yasen is an assassin... they either sit and observe or kill and disappear. A group of ships that can turn up carrying the equivalent of dozens of S-400 and S-500 and S-350 batteries as well as hundreds of TOR and Pantsir batteries as well as A-100 and 50 x Su-57 fighters then that is something everyone has to respect and be wary of... especially with Kh-101 and Zircon etc weapons as well.

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    Post  George1 Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:50 pm

    Russia’s latest Yasen-M subs to get capability to salvo-launch cruise missiles

    The nuclear-powered submarine Kazan made a salvo launch of two missiles from a vertical launcher and a torpedo tube during state trials, according to a source

    https://tass.com/defense/1280259

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