Project 885: Yasen class #2

Because the financial burden of having to build and operate 12 aircraft carrier groups with 12 CVNs and probably 3-4 cruisers per CVN and another 4-6 destroyers for each carrier group plus extra SSNs and SSGNs to operate with those carrier groups would bankrupt most countries... but even if they managed to achieve this level of production and operational performance... what do they do?

Just sail around doing fuck all to help Russia and just look big and powerful.

Not every country would want to dominate because the costs are too high and the return is pride... while your people are living like a third world country to pay for all these new ships you don't really need.

Pissing away too much money on your military leads to what America has become... having to create wars to justify your existence... dirty.

Arrow wrote:

GarryB wrote:

Russia does not need to dominate... they don't .

Why do you think Tgey don't want to?  Every country would like to dominate.  There is simply no strength or resources to do it.

It is more complex than that.

The top dog get the cream of profit of all global transaction, means he get money for little effort.

This worth lot to keep.

In the past 80 years the USA played "whos the chicken" with everyone, when there was a confrontation he signaled the will to obliterate big part of the manking (and third of all USA citizen) in a global nuclear war.

Soon a country will call this bluff.

owais.usmani wrote:

George1 wrote:Russian shipbuilders to float out 2nd Yasen-M-class nuclear-powered sub in August

https://tass.com/defense/1265251

3rd 885M, not 2nd. Novisibirsk was 2nd 885M, Kazan was 1st.

https://flotprom.ru/2021/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%8813/

Correct, but it's the second serially produced 885M unit.

It is more complex than that.

The top dog get the cream of profit of all global transaction, means he get money for little effort.

This worth lot to keep.

Lets be honest... the US and the west have dominated a lot of markets and the fluid you call cream is more accurately described as blood.

Russia does not need to destroy the west and steal her resource markets.... she just needs to present herself as a viable and much safer alternative trade partner that wont brutalise you when it suits.

Russia doesn't need to dominate the entire world at once... just open and free trade... for which the west is no longer competitive, which is why they needed the monopoly to start with.

GarryB wrote:
Russia does not need to destroy the west and steal her resource markets.... she just needs to present herself as a viable and much safer alternative trade partner that wont brutalise you when it suits.

And just what do you think that will do?

Like it or not the west is essentially the international economy... if it breaks and the rules are totally ignored then you have chaos for everyone... which is a nightmare for small countries and instability for bigger ones which is not good for growth and development.

Russia can play by western rules without playing with the west... the system is broken in favour of the US and EU but that only matters if you have a lot of trade with them and thanks to sanctions and attempts at isolation Russia does not have a lot of trade with the west now.

Russia trading with the rest of the world will allow development and growth for both parties... better standard of living and improvements all round... but Russia needs to be strong and mobile enough to ensure the west can't or wont do anything to stop them.

Russia is not the worlds police and is not obliged to save any country from anyone or anything.

Yasen is part of a military system that can go most places and have an impact if needed, but they also need to show the flag... the Yasen is an assassin... they either sit and observe or kill and disappear. A group of ships that can turn up carrying the equivalent of dozens of S-400 and S-500 and S-350 batteries as well as hundreds of TOR and Pantsir batteries as well as A-100 and 50 x Su-57 fighters then that is something everyone has to respect and be wary of... especially with Kh-101 and Zircon etc weapons as well.

Provisionally?

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Singular_Transform wrote:

Isos wrote:You should stop drugs.

And why do you use 2 accounts ?

re much smaller than the Yasen:

Displacement: Submerged: 7,900 metric tons (8,700 short tons)

Complement: 135 (15 officers; 120 enlisted)

The Yasen specs are:

Displacement:

Surfaced: 8,600 tons


Complement:

  Yasen: 85
  Yasen-M: 64

The Yasen is clearly more automated than the smaller Virginia.   Using the Virginia pricing, a proper model built by the USA
would cost more than $5 billion per unit.

Wow. The Yasen is a bigger sub and it has an 85 person crew. The Vergina has a 135 person crew. 

That is just shit for the Verginia. Just imagine it was the other way around. Everyone would say that Russia is a generation behind. 

So let's say the US is a generation behind. They still dont have auto loaders. Russian subs had them 2 generations ago. 

A smaller crew is less complications. Less human error. Less work for the air system.And food is the limiting range factor. How could there not be a noise dividend for having a smaller crew too ? Less meals to cook. Less dishes to wash. Less toilet flushes.

Backman wrote:
Wow. The Yasen is a bigger sub and it has an 85 person crew. The Vergina has a 135 person crew. 

That is just shit for the Verginia. Just imagine it was the other way around. Everyone would say that Russia is a generation behind. 

So let's say the US is a generation behind. They still dont have auto loaders. Russian subs had them 2 generations ago. 

A smaller crew is less complications. Less human error. Less work for the air system.And food is the limiting range factor. How could there not be a noise dividend for having a smaller crew too ? Less meals to cook. Less dishes to wash. Less toilet flushes.

Everyone missing the biggest point: if the crew is minimal, and everything is automated, then you can close down and overpresurise the egnineering sections, decrease the hull thicknes in those sections, and increase around the crew section.
It means the sub can dive way deeper than could be calculated from the average hull thickness.

Arrow wrote:Yasen M has only 64 crew.

I seen that. Wasn't sure if I was reading it right. That's half the men of a Verginia.

Hole wrote:

What is the that ship in the 2nd pic in the right corner behind the sub?