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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:59 pm

    For example Russia could at least demand that Ukraine will allow water supplies to Crimea as a pre-condition to any support. But I doubt the people in Kremlin will do anything like this.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:56 pm

    I think it is the other way around.

    Right now Ukrainians think they are "part of the West" and that they can integrate to the West and its institutions while demanding that Russia will still keep supporting Ukraine economically.

    But that is not the other way around... the people of the Ukraine might think they are Polish and therefore designated European instead of being Russian and therefore half Asian, but the problem with them... along with the west is that they believe their problems in the world stem from Putin and Russia... everything would be perfect except for them.

    Ukrainians feel entitled. They feel they are entitled to receive Russian economic support and yet also are entitled to see Russia as an enemy and are entitled to join the NATO.

    Well it sounds like Russia dodged a bullet and the west has made a stupid mistake... good for Russia really.

    They are not going to feel any gratitude over Russia helping them. It will be seen as a weakness. If Russia will always keep helping Ukraine then Ukrainians will just feel that they have chosen the correct path. Ukraine can continue its integration path with the West while knowing that Russia will be paying for it and supporting Ukraine. It just proves that Ukraine is right. It proves that Ukraine chose the correct path.

    For Russia maybe it is for the best?

    Russia is not showering them in money, they are paying them a cut of gas payments the west is paying them for gas... it is starvation rations... not a banquet...

    But if Ukraine is to made to pay a big socioeconomic price from their choice then there is a slight chance that Ukraine will change its course, or at least make some adjustments.

    I don't think there is much chance of them changing course... even the people in the so called break away regions consider themselves Ukrainian and not Russian and are not asking to join the Russian Federation.

    They are already paying dearly and it does not seem to matter to most of them.

    The current regime of Ukraine hates Russia and won't do anything to improve relations unless the circumstances force their hand.

    But that is the key... the rat gets on your boat because they boat they left your boat for has now fully sunk under water... what celebrations would you suggest to get those rats back?

    I would say patch some holes in that ship and bail a little water and let them stay on the ship they have chosen... over time relations might improve... or not.

    Russia does not benefit from the Ukraine, but she does not want her to collapse because their society might collapse and the entire country might end up some lawless region like a super Stalker zone but without the useful magical artifacts...

    If there is a situation that a big part of Ukrainian population will literally freeze to death and the only available help could come from Russia then the regime must think of something.

    Their ship and tank building industry would do well to perfect the building of small cheap portable wood stoves perhaps?

    But Putin makes it way too easy for Ukraine offering them help without backing them to the corner first.

    Putin is a Christian... I realise the west does not understand that, but that is who he is, and I respect him for not going out of his way to make their suffering worse... even if they don't recognise or appreciate it.

    For example Russia could at least demand that Ukraine will allow water supplies to Crimea as a pre-condition to any support. But I doubt the people in Kremlin will do anything like this.

    They could... but as soon as spring comes... how long till problems start, or perhaps an accidental chemical spill with a truck falling into the water way up stream polluting the water and making it undrinkable...

    It might be a short term pain in the ass but over the longer term finding better more sustainable solutions that prevent potential sabotage makes more sense for Crimea.

    In the longer term fresh water supplies are going to be critical anyway to both tourism and agriculture... both of which will have enormous potential in the region so work boosting it and making it more solid is a good investment.

    I agree they should make demands in return for any concessions made, but not water flow to crimea... that is already being solved.
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    Post  Hole Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:31 pm

    Shocked
    Are there some sane people left in Brussels?
    Tomorrow they will be called Putins poodles!
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    Post  kvs Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:57 pm



    The LNG prices in the Orient are driving the EU price. Japanese contracts are approaching $3000 for one
    thousand cubic meters. The EU prices that fell under $1000 are now shooting up to $1200 and likely higher.

    It looks like oil prices are about to jump much higher as well.

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    Post  kvs Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:00 pm

    https://translate.yandex.ru/translate?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnation-news.ru%2F665115-viktoriya-nuland-sluchaino-vydala-plany-ssha-na-novuyu-gegemoniyu&lang=ru-en

    Nuland let the cat out of the bag. The current energy crisis in the EU is part of a new hegemony plan by Washington.
    These delusional c*nts think that they can restore control which is slipping from their hands.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Oct 16, 2021 4:32 pm

    kvs wrote:https://translate.yandex.ru/translate?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnation-news.ru%2F665115-viktoriya-nuland-sluchaino-vydala-plany-ssha-na-novuyu-gegemoniyu&lang=ru-en

    Nuland let the cat out of the bag.   The current energy crisis in the EU is part of a new hegemony plan by Washington.
    These delusional c*nts think that they can restore control which is slipping from their hands.


    Its always funny to watch the morons let out their evil plan. It's like the bad guys in those old movies where they reveal the plan as soon as they think they are ahead, so it gives the hero an idea how to stop them.

    Classic.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:17 am

    Except they don't need to stop the US in this case, and often it is best to let them continue and destroy their own credibility and backstab their allies and friends...

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    Post  par far Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:44 pm

    kvs wrote:https://translate.yandex.ru/translate?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnation-news.ru%2F665115-viktoriya-nuland-sluchaino-vydala-plany-ssha-na-novuyu-gegemoniyu&lang=ru-en

    Nuland let the cat out of the bag.   The current energy crisis in the EU is part of a new hegemony plan by Washington.
    These delusional c*nts think that they can restore control which is slipping from their hands.



    I am trying to go to that page and it is not working for me. It say's that "This site can’t be reached", can someone please tell what the "plan" is.
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    Post  franco Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:00 pm

    par far wrote:
    kvs wrote:https://translate.yandex.ru/translate?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnation-news.ru%2F665115-viktoriya-nuland-sluchaino-vydala-plany-ssha-na-novuyu-gegemoniyu&lang=ru-en

    Nuland let the cat out of the bag.   The current energy crisis in the EU is part of a new hegemony plan by Washington.
    These delusional c*nts think that they can restore control which is slipping from their hands.



    I am trying to go to that page and it is not working for me. It say's that "This site can’t be reached", can someone please tell what the "plan" is.

    Link worked for me.
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    Post  par far Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:49 pm

    franco wrote:
    par far wrote:
    kvs wrote:https://translate.yandex.ru/translate?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnation-news.ru%2F665115-viktoriya-nuland-sluchaino-vydala-plany-ssha-na-novuyu-gegemoniyu&lang=ru-en

    Nuland let the cat out of the bag.   The current energy crisis in the EU is part of a new hegemony plan by Washington.
    These delusional c*nts think that they can restore control which is slipping from their hands.



    I am trying to go to that page and it is not working for me. It say's that "This site can’t be reached", can someone please tell what the "plan" is.

    Link worked for me.

    It worked for me now.

    The US wants Energy hegemony, while the petro dollar slowly goes under, sounds something that the US would think of.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:42 am

    The US wants Energy hegemony, while the petro dollar slowly goes under, sounds something that the US would think of.

    They will be importing gas and oil from Russia shortly but they think they can dictate terms?

    Same with all interactions with Russia, the Americans seem to think they can dictate terms and make demands while not listening to Russia or conceding anything in return... sounds like Russia should cut all ties for a bit and let the US have a good think about its place in the world and how it interacts with other countries.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:49 am

    GarryB wrote:
    They will be importing gas and oil from Russia shortly but they think they can dictate terms?

    The oil they already are Garry. From memory Russia is already the second largest supplier and it is not reducing.

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    Post  kvs Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:15 am

    The BBC claims that Gazprom is only supply 1/5 the amount of gas compared to the pre-covid period (2019 I assume).
    This demonstrates the insane hate propaganda rampant in the west.

    http://www.gazpromexport.ru/en/statistics/

    Gazprom exported 200 billion cubic meters per year to Europe in 2018 and 2019. So 20% of this is 40 billion cubic meters
    per year. A shortfall of 160 billion cubic meters per year. So the EU managed to increase its gas in storage to just under
    80% with such a gap? GTFO.

    Year 1973 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 2010 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020
    Total 6.8 19.3 54.8 69.4 110.0 117.4 130.3 154.3 138.6 158.6 178.3 192.2 200.8 198.97 174.9

    The variance is clearly within the norm in the 2015 to 2020 period.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:32 am

    Europe was also speculating a slower recovery after covid so they bought less gas than they should have expecting there would be lower demand so they had less in storage and are using it faster than they expected and so to top up they would have to buy at peak prices which they obviously don't want to do... it was supposed to work the other way where prices would 100-120 per K cubic metres of gas instead of 1,000...

    They wanted to scam the Russians and get cheaper gas and it has totally backfired.

    The really funny thing is that for the last few years the opposition to the NSII have been saying it is unnecessary and that if there is a shortfall in gas they can get more from the US with their fracking gas to the rescue... but when they **** up it is all Putin and Russia using gas as a weapon and playing games... why are they not complaining that the US is not sweeping in to save them with cheap LNG?

    Perhaps because that would make the US the bad guy instead of Russia.

    It is pretty clear Russia is losing patience with the west... the EU had better be super careful what it wishes for or it might just get a Russian leader that wants to play games with energy and sanctions...

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:40 am

    GarryB wrote:Europe was also speculating a slower recovery after covid so they bought less gas than they should have expecting there would be lower demand so they had less in storage and are using it faster than they expected and so to top up they would have to buy at peak prices which they obviously don't want to do... it was supposed to work the other way where prices would 100-120 per K cubic metres of gas instead of 1,000...

    They wanted to scam the Russians and get cheaper gas and it has totally backfired.

    The really funny thing is that for the last few years the opposition to the NSII have been saying it is unnecessary and that if there is a shortfall in gas they can get more from the US with their fracking gas to the rescue... but when they **** up it is all Putin and Russia using gas as a weapon and playing games... why are they not complaining that the US is not sweeping in to save them with cheap LNG?

    Perhaps because that would make the US the bad guy instead of Russia.

    It is pretty clear Russia is losing patience with the west... the EU had better be super careful what it wishes for or it might just get a Russian leader that wants to play games with energy and sanctions...

    This is a good example of karma in action and how it will bite the reptiles on the arse. Afghanistan... Eurotrashland gas... Ukraine coming along shortly Twisted Evil

    All good things come to Russians who wait.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:08 am

    All good things come to Russians who wait.

    And that is the factor I love... this is not something Russia has done with malice to hurt the west... this is the west hurting itself because of its malice and duplicity towards Russia.

    Or more accurately this is the anti Russia factions within the EU trying to damage Russia and instead damaging the EU... you would think the few sensible countries in the EU would reflect back on all the arguments and decisions and claims made which should quickly identify who these anti Russia factions are that is currently damaging the EU and perhaps hold them to account for the current state of affairs... but why start with accountability in the west now.

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    Post  kvs Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:47 pm



    The UK House of Lords (aka clowns) is starting to bitch about the crisis and the failure of wind power to deliver.   A day late and a dollar
    short, clowns.   Note the loopy discourse:

    "Putin's regime" will "undermine our and EU's energy security"

    "We must defend the interests of Ukraine" and must counteract Nord Stream 2.

    So Russia choosing to sell gas to Europe as opposed to China and the far east is "Russia undermining the UK's and EU's energy security".
    At the same time they demand that Russia transit gas through Banderastan and pay it a transit tax.   What utter schizophrenic drivel.
    Make up your minds, you fecking retards, do you want Russian gas or not?

    Then we have some Poolish leader frothing at the mouth about Russia even though his owners in Washington are not sending all that
    freedom LNG to the LNG terminal that Pooland built.   Recall that the spot prices were set by the LNG trade and that is why gas
    fell to $40 per thousand cubic meters at one point.   That is because there was an over supply of LNG.   Gazprom's contracts do
    not drive the spot market by definition.   It is the LNG shortfall that is creating the crisis.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:46 am

    The irony is that US gas could solve their problems... but US gas is being sold in the Asian market because they get better returns there because Europeans don't want to pay a lot for gas.

    No wonder British politicians get stabbed... just as well they have such tight gun laws to keep everyone safe.
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    Post  franco Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:08 pm

    Putin told when the second string of Nord Stream 2 will be filled

    During a gliding meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that the work on filling the second string of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline with gas will be completed in December this year. The broadcast is being conducted on the Valdai Forum website .

    The head of state recalled that the first pipe of the gas pipeline has already been filled with blue fuel.

    “If tomorrow the German regulator gives permission for the supply, the day after tomorrow the supply will begin, 17.5 billion cubic meters. By the end of this year - in the middle, at the end of December - technological work on filling the second gas pipe of Nord Stream 2 will be completed. In total, this is 55 billion cubic meters. m. If we bear in mind that the deficit on the European market, according to our calculations, will amount to 70 billion cubic meters. m, then 55 billion cubic meters. m is decent, ”Putin said.

    He also noted that as soon as the second pipe is filled and the permission of the German regulator is received, deliveries will begin the next day.

    The politician added that the volume of carbon dioxide emissions when pumped through the Nord Stream - 2 "is 5.6 times less than through the gas transportation system of Ukraine.

    On September 10, Gazprom announced the completion of the construction of Nord Stream 2. Sergei Ivanov, the representative of the President of Russia for environmental protection, ecology and transport, said about the exceptional environmental friendliness of the project.

    The gas pipeline runs from the Russian coast through the Baltic Sea to Germany. The United States actively opposes the project, promoting its liquefied natural gas in the EU. In addition, the project has other adversary countries, including Ukraine and Poland.

    Putin's main statements on Valdai in the online Gazeta.Ru.

    On October 18-21, 2021, Sochi is hosting the XVIII Annual Meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club entitled: “Global Shake-up - XXI: People, Values, State”. Putin has traditionally met with forum participants since its inception in 2004.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:57 am

    If you read what each side is actually saying.... Europe is complaining that Russia is not filling their reserves by sending extra gas, but Russia is saying they are fulfilling current contracts... they have no extra contracts for extra gas so why would they send extra?

    Essentially the EU wants extra gas to be sent just is case without charge or payments to ensure energy security...

    They don't want to pay the current higher prices for gas but they want to fill up their storage tanks at the same time.

    I would say let them moan all they want... they can choose to not buy gas now while it is 1,000 per thousand cms, but half way into winter... if it is a cold one they might find themselves paying a lot more for the gas they need... market forces bitches.... it is what you wanted... enjoy.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:40 am

    The rhetoric used here for this issue is dumb beyond any sane imagination.
    This week, we could hear that evil Russkies used a 117 mln m3 of gass to fill the NS2 pipe, when they could deliver that to the customers.
    The technical volume of the pipe is functionally irrelevant to the missing storage volume in Europe.
    Just another bullshit used to flame the political bias and form the EU citizen minds that evil Russkies are harming them, again.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:03 am

    They should be careful what they wish for... if the EU had not been such dicks and signed 15 year contracts there would be no problem and their supply of cheap energy that is not flaky like solar and wind could give them confidence going forward in their energy security.

    Instead they are pissing on their own shoes and blaming Russia for it... pretty soon Russia is going to realise they can make more money for their gas in Asia... it is not their problem if Europe freezes... they are civilised and modern and have wonderful living standards and everyone wants to go there... let them solve their own problems.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:31 am

    This is exactly what they do, because this time, they will face the political cost of stupid decisions.
    Usually in the politics, responsibility is non-existing. They don't pay the price for stupidity.
    This time, it can be a different story. If a wealthy, satisfied, and sure about his customer's values European will freeze in winter .. well, someone will pay the price for that.
    The first time, for a long time, they faced a situation that can blow straight into their faces.
    And they won't be able to convince taxpayers and voters that it is Russias fault when half of the EU members in the Balkans and in Central Europe will have their needs perfectly satisfied by reliable deliveries of inexpensive gas from Russia.

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