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    Post  Kiko Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:55 am

    MAI spoke about the work on a new supersonic passenger aircraft, 08.02.2022

    Russia is developing a new generation supersonic passenger aircraft (SPS). Leading Russian scientists and engineers, united in a consortium of the world-class Supersonic Research Center, are working on innovative solutions for a promising machine. About how work is being done on aircraft, Izvestia was told at the Moscow Aviation Institute (MAI).

    The Institute carries out work on optimizing the aerodynamic appearance of an aircraft, modeling the impact of a sonic boom, the behavior of the airframe structure, harmful emissions, acoustic loads, and others.

    “In addition to being highly aerodynamic, a supersonic aircraft must provide low noise levels during takeoff and landing and low sonic boom during supersonic cruise flight. Our tasks include optimizing the layout, that is, the appearance of the ATP, in terms of these criteria, ”said Andrey Kataev, a participant in the work, head of laboratory No. 1 of NIO-101 MAI.

    MAI specialists have created their own calculation methodology and a software package that allows solving these problems. Several variants of the shape of the future aircraft in 3D have already been developed.

    One of the innovative solutions of the development team is the use of probionic structures in the new aircraft. Structural-power schemes of aircraft units are proposed to be built, for example, according to the principle of an animal skeleton, where different parts are adapted to different loads. Two versions of the SPS wing probionic structures have already been developed. They are investigated in terms of mass and strength.

    The main purpose of using proionic structures is to reduce the weight of aircraft units and increase their degree of integrity.

    To date, the MAI has developed a methodology for performing calculations and made a layout of the software package: the user in three-dimensional space can designate the airport area with the terrain, the permissible radius of pollution, the wind rose. Sources of pollution are also specified: aircraft taking off and landing at this airport at a certain time, their types of engines and fuel.

    Using the program, you can calculate the spread of pollution from given sources.

    Another layer of work is associated with the SPS cabin. Direct vision of the space ahead of the aircraft is not provided, and the pilot will receive all information about the flight through a set of displays combined into a single information field. As part of this direction, the MAI is developing a special predictive display that improves piloting safety. The technology makes it possible to predict the trajectory of an aircraft and visualize it as a three-dimensional corridor with a set of marks that will help the pilot to correct the course.

    The MAI specialists also proposed the idea of ​​an active aircraft control lever. The output signal of such a lever is proportional to the force applied to it. As preliminary studies have shown, when using such a device, the piloting error is reduced by 2.3 times.

    In addition, research participants are working on optimizing the ATP trajectory in terms of noise reduction and avoiding collisions with other aircraft, developing an intelligent pilot support system, a complex for monitoring all aircraft systems, a reconfiguration system, and cybersecurity.

    On January 31, MAI told Izvestia that the LMS-901 Baikal light multi-purpose aircraft, the airframe assembly of which was carried out at MAI, can be called an improved successor to the An-2 aircraft.

    It is noted that Baikal will be able to lift 2 tons of payload, develop a cruising speed of 300 km/h and cover distances of up to 1.5 thousand km, taking off from unpaved strips 250 m long.

    On January 30, the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, Denis Manturov, announced that Baikal had made its first flight. The plane took off from the Ekaterinburg airfield in the city of Aramil, Sverdlovsk region. The flight took place at an altitude of 500 m and lasted about 25 minutes. As part of the flight mission, test pilot 1st class Valentin Lavrentiev performed maneuvers to test the stability and controllability of the aircraft in the air. According to the pilot, during the flight mission, the aircraft systems worked in the normal mode.

    https://iz.ru/1288250/2022-02-08/v-mai-rasskazali-o-rabote-nad-novym-sverkhzvukovym-passazhirskim-samoletom

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    Post  George1 Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:48 pm

    Aircraft LMS-901 "Baikal" at the exhibition NAIS-2022 in Moscow

    At the 9th National Exhibition and Civil Aviation Infrastructure Forum National Airport Infrastructure Show (NAIS-2022) held in Moscow on February 9 and 10, 2022, the first flight prototype of the LMS-901 Baikal light multi-purpose aircraft developed by Baikal Engineering LLC was presented ( a subsidiary of Ural Civil Aviation Plant JSC), which made its first flight on January 30, 2022.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4482713.html

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:24 am

    Incredible post. You guys make some of the best posts on defense forums. What I am amazed by is this bird can carry an emergency parachute system. Is this an option or is it standard??? Anyways great stuff!!! respekt

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    Post  LMFS Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:19 am

    We overlooked that the MC-21-300 has received the certification needed to operate in Russia:

    Irkut Corporation received a type certificate for the MC-21-300 aircraft


    As part of the IX National Exhibition and Forum of Civil Aviation Infrastructure NAIS 2022, Head of the Federal Air Transport Agency (Rosaviatsia) Alexander Neradko presented the General Director of the United Aircraft Corporation Yuri Slyusar with a type certificate for the MC-21-300 aircraft and a certificate for the developer of aviation equipment.

    The type certificate confirms that the MC-21-300 aircraft meets the requirements for civil aviation equipment. The developer's certificate certifies that Irkut Corporation meets the requirements of the FAP-21 Federal Aviation Regulations for organizations developing civil aviation equipment in relation to the MC-21 aircraft. In 2021, Irkut Corporation successfully passed a compliance check by the Federal Air Transport Agency, during which representatives of the Federal Air Transport Agency, the Russian Aviation Register and specialized certification centers were shown all the necessary documents proving the company's compliance with the requirements for organizing the development, manufacturing and testing of MC-21 prototypes.

    "This is a great joint effort of engineers, designers, specialists, specialized institutes, certification centers, aviation authorities. Thank you very much for the caring, state-owned and kind attitude to the MC-21 project – " said Yuri Slyusar, General Director of the United Aircraft Corporation, at the ceremony. - The MS-21 program is implemented on the basis of integrated use of digital technologies at all stages of the liner's life cycle. All aircraft documentation is initially developed in a single digital environment. Strict compliance with all the requirements set by Russian standards for the development of aircraft technology ensures the necessary level of quality and safety of our aircraft."

    https://rostec.ru/news/korporatsiya-irkut-poluchila-sertifikat-tipa-na-samolet-ms-21-300/

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    Post  Autodestruct Sat Feb 19, 2022 2:35 am

    MC-21 has completed its extreme cold weather tests in Yakutia. Irkut will soon be expanding the type certificate to clear it for low temperature operations.

    https://aviation21.ru/ms-21-zavershil-ispytaniya-morozami-v-yakutske-i-vernulsya-v-zhukovskij/

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Feb 19, 2022 12:52 pm

    TMA1 wrote:Incredible post. You guys make some of the best posts on defense forums. What I am amazed by is this bird can carry an emergency parachute system. Is this an option or is it standard??? Anyways great stuff!!! respekt

    The parachute is needed due to the passenger limits on a single engined aircraft of this type. I think the limit is 9 without but stand to be corrected. A very clever solution russia

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    Post  Hole Sat Feb 19, 2022 1:13 pm

    Autodestruct wrote:MC-21 has completed its extreme cold weather tests in Yakutia.  Irkut will soon be expanding the type certificate to clear it for low temperature operations.

    https://aviation21.ru/ms-21-zavershil-ispytaniya-morozami-v-yakutske-i-vernulsya-v-zhukovskij/

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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:08 am

    What I am amazed by is this bird can carry an emergency parachute system. Is this an option or is it standard???

    I would hazard a guess and also say it would be good for places where there are few flat open places to land a plane like very heavily forested areas or in mountains, where landing the whole plane by parachute would give the passengers their best chance of survival.

    Have seen parachute recovery systems for light two seat cessnas and aircraft like that, but I think for their two seater trainers they have light ejection seats.

    For bigger aircraft like this one a parachute recovery system is unusual, though many large drones do use such systems these days.

    Because of the weight and passenger restrictions I believe 9 passengers is the limit for a single engined aircraft, so to replace the An-2 fully there will be another aircraft with two engines that can carry up to 19 passengers like the An-2 could.

    This single engined can only carry 9 but would be fine for many of the jobs the An-2 used to do... being smaller and lighter it should be cheaper to operate too.
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    Post  Kiko Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:35 pm

    MS-21-400 is the future flagship of Russian civil aviation, 22.02.2022.

    The flagship of the civil aviation of the USSR in the 60-70s of the twentieth century, the narrow-body airliner Il-62M, could carry up to 180 passengers in one flight over a distance of 11,000 km. With the withdrawal of this aircraft from commercial operation, the era of long-haul narrow-body passenger liners in our country has ended. All over the world, including in Russia, foreign wide-body aircraft: B747, B777, B787, A330, A350, A380 took over transportation over distances of 8 thousand or more kilometres.

    The future of the giants A380 and B747 was seen as bright and cloudless for several decades ahead, until the “covid” 2020 came. Many airlines around the world have landed these four-engine aircraft, but a large number of narrow-body aircraft have ceased to fly or have been converted into cargo variants.

    In 2021, reports began to appear from carriers and manufacturers that the time for “big” aircraft was coming to an end. Civil aviation is preparing to decommission four-engine aircraft, while Boeing and Airbus have announced that they are stopping the construction of passenger giants. Transcontinental flights should be launched by narrow-body airliners with an increased flight range.

    The industry has strong opinion that long-haul narrow-body aircraft present good growth opportunities in the future. Air carriers, due to the effects of the pandemic and due to the variability and efficiency of the routes that these aircraft can offer, are growing in interest in them. Airbus is ready to offer airlinesupdated version of A321neowith an extended flight range - the A321XLR aircraft, which is capable of carrying 240 passengers in one flight over a distance of up to 8,700 km.

    The plans of the Boeing corporation also have a new aircraft with a single pass, this is the B737 NMA (New Midsize Airplane), which is positioned as the Boeing 797. But after two B737 MAX crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia, which occurred through the fault of the corporation, work on this new machine was suspended , and all efforts are thrown at a full return to flying the B737 MAX.

    At the same time, neither Brazil nor China announced plans to create long-range "single-pass" aircraft. Embraer is focusing on medium-haul regional aircraft, and COMAC, for political reasons, is having problems certifying its C919, an aircraft that is heavily dependent on foreign supplies of components, assemblies and aircraft systems.

    Russia, due to the size of the territory of our country, it is vital to have aircraft that could fly from the European part to the Far East, Kamchatka and Chukotka without intermediate landings. Now this niche is occupied by B777, B767, A330. The B747s in Rossiya Airlines' fleet transport tourists to Egyptian resorts, but the airline has already announced that these machines will be completely withdrawn from its fleet in the next three years.

    The new flagship airliner of Russian aviation could be the MS-21-400 aircraft, an extended version of the MS-21-300 airliner.

    In the summer of 2021, a month before the start of the MAKS air show, Ravil Khakimov, at that time the CEO of the Irkut Corporation, spoke about the versions of the new Russian aircraft that are being considered for further development. According to him, the most likely will be the launch of the MS-21-400 project for 260 passengers, everything will depend on demand after the start of operation of the MS-21-300 aircraft by airlines.

    The United Aircraft Corporation is considering the possibility of developing advanced modifications of the MS-21 airliner for the period up to 2035. First of all, it is possible to modernize the MS-21 in terms of optimizing the specific fuel consumption and improving the aerodynamics of the liner, and the MS-21-400 version has also been preliminarily worked out.

    The Irkut Corporation at one time considered another version of the "universal" MS-21X aircraft with a flight range of 9,000-10,000 kilometers. The take-off weight of the MS-21-400 will exceed 105 tons, the MS-21X - about 155 tons. However, it is too early to talk about this or that project: firstly, there is no Russian power plant that could provide the thrust-to-weight ratio of an aircraft weighing more than 105 tons , secondly, the MS-21-300 has not yet begun to carry out commercial transportation, so it is necessary to consider its further development, but the specifics on this issue are somewhat premature.

    The primary task now facing Irkut and JSC AeroComposite is to obtain approval of the main change in the standard design of the MS-21-300 in terms of the wing made from Russian composite materials, as well as in terms of the PD-14 engine. In addition, the Ulyanovsk enterprise participates in the project of the Russian-Chinese ShFDMS CR929. The wing for the MS-21-400 is slightly larger than that of the basic version of the aircraft, and the liner itself will be much heavier than the MS-21-300, so additional design and testing of the wing of the new aircraft will be required.

    In September 2019, Deputy General Director - General Designer of the United Engine Corporation Yuri Shmotin in an interviewdeclaredthat the UEC has plans to increase the power of the PD-14 engine by increasing the bypass ratio of the fan and developing a PD-16 engine with higher performance on its basis.

    “This modification will be in demand for MS-21-400. We set ourselves the task not to develop a large number of different engines, but to make one basic unified gas generator and an engine based on it, which in the future will become mass-produced and will not require modifications for similar classes of aircraft, with the exception of software adaptation and modernization,” said Shmotin.

    On the basis of the PD-14 gas generator, a whole family of turbofan engines with a thrust of 8 to 18 tons can be created, now the UEC is working on the PD-8 engine for the Superjet 100 and Be-200 aircraft. The PD-35 high thrust engine is also being created. The readiness of the PD-8 is announced for 2023-24, and only after that can we expect the start of work on the engine for a long-range narrow-body aircraft. At the same time, we can conclude that when an assignment for the development of an engine for the MS-21-400 is received, its creation will take place in a short time.

    Before the start of the MAKS-2019 air show, the United Aircraft Corporation released overview of the global civil aircraft market until 2038.

    According to the presented forecast, narrow-body aircraft with a capacity of 166-200 seats will be the main demand in the next 20 years. The need for aircraft of this capacity is estimated at 20.5 thousand units, which is more than in all other market sub-segments. In absolute terms, the total demand for civil passenger aircraft until 2038 is estimated at almost 44.3 thousand liners, or $6.35 trillion in 2019 catalog prices.

    The share of the Russian segment is estimated at 2.9% in value terms and 3.3% in quantitative terms of the global market as a whole. Most deliveries to domestic airlines will fall on the sub-segment of narrow-body aircraft, with a capacity of 166-200 seats, according to the UAC forecast, this is about 630 aircraft. The study suggests that the MC-21-400 liner in a two-class layout with a flight range of up to 10,000 km will be in demand on the Russian market, and this aircraft has good prospects for becoming the new flagship of domestic civil aviation.

    Andrey Velichko
    for the Aviation of Russia website.

    https://aviation21.ru/ms-21-400-budushhij-flagman-rossijskoj-grazhdanskoj-aviacii/

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    Post  lancelot Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:39 am

    This engine used to be called PD-14M. It has more relevance than just the MS-21-400. It is planned to be used as a possible PS-90 engine replacement. It could be used on Il-76, Tu-204, Il-96 upgrade. Also meant to be used on Il-276 transport aircraft. It is meant to be maximum expansion of PD-14 engine core available with extra stages. Because of this it should have best fuel consumption of all PD-14 core engines.

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    Post  Autodestruct Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:40 pm

    I think they are looking for an engine with a higher bypass ratio for greater fuel economy for the MC-21-400 series. The PD-14M was envisioned to keep the same 1.9m fan diameter of the PD-14 and PS-90 to enable easy interchangeability. This actually results in a slightly lower bypass ratio for the PD-14M, because its more powerful core with more stages sucks in more air.

    Russian engine building firms have a lot more options available to them now for reducing the weight of assemblies than they did five years back. They can and should allow larger fan diameters when making long range aircraft. Aviadvigatel could still make a PD-14M for the Il-76 if Ilyushin wants it. Or if Irkut wants to make a heavier version of the MC-21-310. But there is no interest for these in the Russian aviation industry right now.

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    Post  Autodestruct Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:05 am

    Sukhoi developing UAV for civilian cargo transport.

    The designers of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, together with engineers of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology (MIPT), are developing a cargo unmanned vertical take-off and landing aircraft. The UAV was named "Atlas", its maximum flight range will significantly exceed the capabilities of the helicopter and reach thousands of kilometers. The company "Sukhoi" has already begun the assembly of a prototype of an unmanned aircraft. This is reported by Izvestia.

    The aircraft will be able to take off and land, using any flat area. Electric motors are used for take-off /landing, gasoline engine for horizontal flight. "Atlas" is able to perform the flight in fully automatic mode, the operator just needs to specify the final destination, the rest the machine will do itself. In the event of a failure of individual systems, the operator can choose the place of emergency landing. The drone is supposed to be used to deliver goods to remote locations where there are no airfields. For the operation and maintenance of the Atlas, one technician is enough. According to the calculations of the developers, by reducing the cost of paying pilots and other personnel, it is possible to reduce the cost of cargo delivery by 40%.

    More in the link.

    https://aviation21.ru/v-suxom-sozdayut-bpla-samolyotnogo-tipa-s-vertikalnym-vzlyotom-i-posadkoj/

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    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:05 pm

    I guess the MC-21 will be dead in the water with sanctions. What will it take to replace the avionics with Russian avionics and all the other western parts on the plane?

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    Post  lancelot Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:01 pm

    mnztr wrote:I guess the MC-21 will be dead in the water with sanctions. What will it take to replace the avionics with Russian avionics and all the other western parts on the plane?
    All Western systems are in the process of replacement and this should be done over the next 2 years.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:48 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    mnztr wrote:I guess the MC-21 will be dead in the water with sanctions. What will it take to replace the avionics with Russian avionics and all the other western parts on the plane?
    All Western systems are in the process of replacement and this should be done over the next 2 years.
    Yes, the plan was for 2024 also for the Russian used ssj100 with PD8 engines.

    Shall they remove from the hangars some mothballed Tu-204 and il-96 in the meanwhile?

    However not many of those were built...

    On the other hand, if they win this war they could modernise some of the equipment in Kiev Antonov plant and in Kharkov to produce some parts.
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    Post  wilhelm Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:00 pm

    mnztr wrote:I guess the MC-21 will be dead in the water with sanctions. What will it take to replace the avionics with Russian avionics and all the other western parts on the plane?
    Why on earth would it be dead in the water??

    They have been working on a Russian version for a while.
    If you have been paying attention, the sanctions have been tightening on Russia for years.
    It's pointless giving money to Western companies in that environment.
    It may delay the programme slightly, but in the long run is far better for Russia.

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    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:11 pm

    wilhelm wrote:
    mnztr wrote:I guess the MC-21 will be dead in the water with sanctions. What will it take to replace the avionics with Russian avionics and all the other western parts on the plane?
    Why on earth would it be dead in the water??

    They have been working on a Russian version for a while.
    If you have been paying attention, the sanctions have been tightening on Russia for years.
    It's pointless giving money to Western companies in that environment.
    It may delay the programme slightly, but in the long run is far better for Russia.

    Well by dead in the water I mean it cannot enter service anytime soon. 1 some systems will have to be developed 2 they will have to be integrated 3 the plane will have to be recertified with the new systems. So are we talking 2024 certified or test article? If so EIS will be 2025 at earliest.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:38 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    wilhelm wrote:
    mnztr wrote:I guess the MC-21 will be dead in the water with sanctions. What will it take to replace the avionics with Russian avionics and all the other western parts on the plane?
    Why on earth would it be dead in the water??

    They have been working on a Russian version for a while.
    If you have been paying attention, the sanctions have been tightening on Russia for years.
    It's pointless giving money to Western companies in that environment.
    It may delay the programme slightly, but in the long run is far better for Russia.

    Well by dead in the water I mean it cannot enter service anytime soon. 1 some systems will have to be developed 2 they will have to be integrated 3 the plane will have to be recertified with the new systems. So are we talking 2024 certified or test article? If so EIS will be 2025 at earliest.

    He already said they have a Russian versions that doesn't use these European and US parts. The engines? Are you daft? You know what PD-14 is? Have you been asleep at the wheel? It was certified for it.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:52 am

    On the other hand, if they win this war they could modernise some of the equipment in Kiev Antonov plant and in Kharkov to produce some parts.

    When they are finished with their denazification operation in Ukraine they will not be staying... neither Antonov nor Kharkov will be Russian and likely will not receive any Russian money for renovation or upgrade to be of any use... nor should it be.

    If the remaining citizens want to be neutral then trade with Russia is possible, but I suspect that would result in the EU and west rejecting relations till they cut ties with Russia again. If they cut ties with Russia again they will get loans from the west they will likely struggle to ever pay back leading to the IMF potentially seizing assets and resources to cover the costs of the loans.

    Cutting ties with the west will likely result in zero new IMF loans and existing money owed being demanded up front... Russia or China might help out but then open trade with Russia is their best chance of earning anything like what they used to and being able to pay off anything let alone moving forward.

    Russian and Chinese interests were interested in investments in the Ukraine... whether they are still interested is a risk these Ukrainians are going to have to seek to minimise going forward.

    Would think getting rid of their nazi overlords would be enough but it wont... Russia is not interested in controlling or owning the Ukraine, they just don't want it owned and controlled by the US any more.
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    Post  mnztr Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:28 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    wilhelm wrote:
    mnztr wrote:I guess the MC-21 will be dead in the water with sanctions. What will it take to replace the avionics with Russian avionics and all the other western parts on the plane?
    Why on earth would it be dead in the water??

    They have been working on a Russian version for a while.
    If you have been paying attention, the sanctions have been tightening on Russia for years.
    It's pointless giving money to Western companies in that environment.
    It may delay the programme slightly, but in the long run is far better for Russia.

    Well by dead in the water I mean it cannot enter service anytime soon. 1 some systems will have to be developed 2 they will have to be integrated 3 the plane will have to be recertified with the new systems. So are we talking 2024 certified or test article? If so EIS will be 2025 at earliest.

    He already said they have a Russian versions that doesn't use these European and US parts.  The engines? Are you daft? You know what PD-14 is? Have you been asleep at the wheel? It was certified for it.

    There is no version flying without US avionics and a host of other US parts AFIK. Yes I know what the PD 14 is.
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    Post  Autodestruct Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:13 am


    There is no version flying without US avionics and a host of other US parts AFIK. Yes I know what the PD 14 is.

    We don't really know. Both the SSJ-New and MC-21-310 are ~95% domestic. UAC has never disclosed where the rest is from.

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    Post  mnztr Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:43 am

    Autodestruct wrote:

    There is no version flying without US avionics and a host of other US parts AFIK. Yes I know what the PD 14 is.

    We don't really know.  Both the SSJ-New and MC-21-310 are ~95% domestic.  UAC has never disclosed where the rest is from.

    The Russian partner for the Avionics is Avionika. I wonder what the nature of the deal with Rockwell Collins was. Perhaps in included source code and lic fee per unit plus tech transfer so that the deal is sanction proof? After all they would get several thousand shipsets paid out plus there is no way they could lose market share in the West for avionics (probably part of the deal that they can only sell to UAC.) If that is the case they can probably still build. I guess we will see if there is any EIS anytime soon.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:49 am

    The western avionics options will be to appeal to western oriented airlines or airlines that operate in the west with other western aircraft types.

    Russia makes their own avionics too and it is actually rather good stuff... the fact that it is not widely used of course means it will be more expensive to buy relatively and more difficult to service, but costs will come down and in some areas will already be lower than western components because we know western companies love to charge big money... it creates a pot of money in case they get sued.

    This will be good for customers and producers alike... the cost of the Indian Su-30MKIs was three or four times more than what the Russian AF would pay for an equivalent aircraft... it was not that the Russians overcharged them, the problem was the makers of the foreign components cost more than the aircraft itself did.

    Freedom is expensive, but if you bought a car and demanded a different dash board be fitted and a different this or that it would be expensive too... especially if you wanted to assemble it yourself....

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