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    Do you support a referendum, for a Democratic Republic in Iran?

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    Post  nomadski Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:02 pm




    I think someone started the slogan " Islamic Republic", during the 1979 revolution. People voted in a referendum for the Islamic Republic. I think a better form of government for Iran, is a Democratic Republic. Since the Islamic Republic can not progress the Iranian revolution any further. In areas of social justice, political freedoms, and national defence. All those who see this post, should start similar polls in other forums. Start a wave. A new slogan. You can vote here, in this poll.

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    Post  par far Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:03 pm

    What kind of Democratic Republic model is it? Is it the western model? Than no.

    I don't think Iran would have survived this long if they were a  "Democratic Republic".


    We should also have poll on if western countries should also go to the "Democratic Republic" model instead of plutocracy.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:50 am

    The US loves democratic countries... infiltrate the media and then you can control public opinion and constantly push socialists out and push right wing hard line industrialists into positions of power and they will have the majority of the population working for minimum wage... and still big government.

    I mean I could understand the every man for themselves policy with tiny government that basically lets you do your thing, or a nanny state where everyone is looked after... everyone gets a house and a reasonable choice of a few different job types and can earn enough during a normal working week to afford a home and perhaps a holiday home and a 4 week holiday every year somewhere nice.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:59 am

    nomadski wrote:


    I think someone started the slogan  "  Islamic Republic", during the 1979 revolution. People voted in a referendum for the Islamic Republic. I think a better form of government for Iran, is a Democratic Republic. Since the Islamic Republic can not progress the Iranian revolution any further. In areas of social justice, political freedoms, and national defence. All those who see this post, should start similar polls in other forums. Start a wave. A new slogan. You can vote here, in this poll.

    Do you support a referendum, for a Democratic Republic in Iran ?




    The Green color revolution from back in 2009 had protestors routinely chanting for a apocalyptic war with Russia and China. A movement to 'get somewhere' could take several steps back and disguise it as a movement in the right direction. The grass isn't always greener, despite what a Green Revolution says.
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    Post  nomadski Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:08 am

    @ parfar


    A proportional representational system. Where each class or economic group is represented  in Parliament. In this case then, if Iran has 17 million workers, then 1/4 of all Parliament seats belong to them, at least. This is most important aspect.

    Political ideology is free. Any party can form and the MP, can politically belong to any party. For example you can have a worker MP, who is socialist, elected. Freedom of political ideas.

    The position of supreme leader, can be either only advisory. To be voted on by entire parliament. Or they can form own political Islamic party, and he can be party leader. But no power to veto parliament as an individual. Only rule through  the vote.

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    "....... The US loves democratic countries......."

    Disagree. The US and UK organised coup to remove democratic governments in the world. Put dictator in charge. A single person to rule. No good changing a crown for a Turban.


    @ Magnumcromagnon

    "....... The Green color revolution from back in 2009 had protestors routinely chanting for a apocalyptic war with Russia and China. A movement to 'get somewhere' could take several steps back and disguise it as a movement in the right direction. The grass isn't always greener, despite what a Green Revolution says....... "


    Agree. This is the way the right wing operates. They bring the angry unto the streets. Violent demos. Organise a coup. Overthrow the existing government. Reduce democracy. The way to stop this, is by referendum, to clearly open legal avenue for greater democracy. Not less.
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    Post  George1 Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:35 am

    Only if people of Iran make a new revolution
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    Post  nomadski Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:47 am

    When I was a young lad of 14 ,  a man told me that in five years time, there would be a revolution in Iran.  When I was 19, there was a revolution in Iran.

    The same man told me,  when I was 43 ,  after  hearing my complaints ,  that  if  by  complaining ,  I meant for a revolution ,that  I should know how hard  revolutions are to bring about.

    He  became  disillusioned  with  the  type of politics  that came about, after the bloody Iranian 1979 revolution. Complaining himself about the type of  it's politics.

    This means that the people who predicted.......... ( organised ) the revolution, could not control the exact outcome. The law of unintended consequences.

    The bloodier a revolution, the greater is it's injustice. And the Iranian revolution,  despite what some people claim, did not take place with the  "  greatest  humanitarian considerations".

    I think that the best path, is a non- violent  progressive revolution. Or evolution. And I think this to be the best road, to build a secure future. A positive and predictable outcome.

    I know that in Iran, people do speak about a referendum. It is not illegal. I also know that even within the present legal structure, constitutional reforms have been discussed. I also know that proportional representation, was informally considered for a previous session of  parliament.

    So I see, the possibility of a peaceful transition. To a more democratic future. But unfortunately also, a recent news of murder of university teacher. In drive by shooting. Most probably political. But I have hope, and Iranian youth should have hope. Follow the path of peace and progress.

    The ballot box. Not the bullet box.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_consequences
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    Post  nomadski Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:43 pm

    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/12/21/2414975/president-urges-constitutional-revision-in-iran

    Agree. And the best way to insure a truly democratic system, is to make the parliament  a mirror  of society.  The number of seats in Parliament are divided according to  profession or class and income. This way  irrespective of colourful and diverse viewpoints,  all sections of society are always proportionately represented.  

    Also legitimate socio-economic political viewpoints  should be made legal. Including  socialism  and social reformism and capitalism or Liberalism. Ideological viewpoints with an economic foundation.

    I hope the leadership allows for a referendum  and amendments to constitution ASAP. The political parties or individuals disallowed could be :

    ( 1 )  All those with sectarian and  regional character.

    ( 2 )  All those that have been involved in violence.

    ( 3 )  All those supported by foreign money or individuals as members.

    The working class , may not be qualified to Degree level. Only to high school diploma level. Yet they should be allowed to be an MP. While they serve in Parliament , their jobs are kept open for them. Same for Farmers or shop owners and businessmen. No professional politician to be allowed to be MP, or hold any legislative  position. Good idea also to remove position of President and replace by position of prime minister.  From political party with majority in Parliament. This a political majority and not class majority. Since if more workers in society , then prime minister always a worker !  Yet politics needs to lead economics . Also the Islamist party can appoint party leader, who is also the supreme religious leader of country. In this way the Islamist party , can present Bill to Parliament . But no other body has power to veto parliament , as is case now with  council of experts  or guardian Council or Expediency Council. These bodies can only present bills to Parliament as non members or non MP 's. At most for once or twice a year. Same with other expert bodies or science bodies or trade union, can present one or two bills to parliament for approval. But parliament is King. The present truncated system needs to be streamlined.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:31 am

    Disagree. The US and UK organised coup to remove democratic governments in the world. Put dictator in charge. A single person to rule. No good changing a crown for a Turban.

    The UK and US love democratic governments.. they are easy to interfere with... start by buying up the local media outlets and start character assassination against those they oppose and seek to shine light on those who prove to listen and accept bribes/western influence...

    They really don't care about democracy and have murdered quite a few democratically elected people... do you really think Chavez got cancer by accident?

    They do like dictators... Pakistan, and Iran when they had control, and of course for a long time China.... there is more stability in a dictatorship... you can save money by just bribing one party instead of the two major parties...

    A Crown, a Turban, a ballot box... they don't care... Afghanistan could live in squalor for all they care as long as they can get those valuable minerals and metals out of those mountains they could care less that their puppet state barely controlled Kabul... it is a reason to keep US soldiers there and HATO soldiers too to bring peace and democracy on the surface and profits and military support to companies stripmining Afghanistan of all its valuable materials...

    We will know when the cupboard is bare because they will leave so fast you would think the place is on fire... but lots of potential things to mine there and lots of cheap labour to do it so it could be a while...

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    Post  nomadski Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:10 am

    ".... The UK and US love democratic governments....."  AND " They really don't care about democracy" are, as you see contradictory. This is not to say that what you have stated are contradictory. But a case of the contradictory stance by the west towards democracy. Sure they talk the talk, when it comes to areas of the world, where any opposition, to the status quo, will weaken the cental authority's stance against their malign influence. They are very democratic then. But when it comes to areas of the world, where any proponent for the status quo, will strengthen the central authority 's  stance against their malign influence. They are not very democratic then. So they are hypocrites and selective with democratic norms.

    "....... They do like dictators... Pakistan, and Iran when they had control, and of course for a long time China.... there is more stability in a dictatorship... you can save money by just bribing one party instead of the two major parties..."

    Agree. It is even cheaper and easier to bribe or coerce a single person, than any political party or even a nation. But they have to keep up appearances . Pretend they are Democrats. To appease the masses. I saw on YouTube a recent clip, about an Iranian Monarchist,  proclaiming the establishment of a " democratic Republic" in Iran. But as we know this is just propaganda, like slogans of the MEK , to attract supporters. Ofcourse they will use these supporters to stage violent street demos and stage a coup or foreign intervention. Then put Reza quarter Pahlavi in power. Together with a " democratic"  Rubber stamp parliament.

    The way to fight fake democracy, is by building legal safeguards, as I have mentioned, to ensure the active and direct and proportional and effective participation by Iranian people themselves. Without subversion or interruptions or interventions by extremists or anti-democratic elements, both inside and outside the country. These legal safeguards will bring about a cultural shift  and educate the people into practicing constructive democratic norms.

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