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    Post  dino00 on Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:00 pm

    Sources: "Admiral Gorshkov" went to sea for the second test shooting "Zircon"

    According to one of TASS interlocutors, the launch of a missile from a frigate should take place in the next two weeks.


    The interlocutors specified that an extensive launch program of Zircon from Gorshkov was planned for 2020, the ship could fire a missile up to 7 times. "But the deadlines have moved significantly - the second launch was originally supposed to take place in mid-spring," one source said.

    According to the interlocutors, the main reason for the transfer of test firing was the situation with the coronavirus.


    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/8830571

    Fingers crossed.

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    Post  Arrow on Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:01 pm

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=535383&lang=RU

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    Post  dino00 on Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:02 pm

    The Ministry of Defense told about the tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile

    MOSCOW, July 26 - RIA Novosti. The tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile are being completed successfully, the Defense Ministry said . russia attack

    "The test launches carried out from the frigate" Admiral of the Soviet Union Fleet Gorshkov "confirmed the unique tactical and technical characteristics of this missile in terms of range and accuracy of fire, as well as its hypersonic speed," the message says.


    https://ria.ru/20200726/1574935509.html

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:50 pm

    dino00 wrote:The Ministry of Defense told about the tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile

    MOSCOW, July 26 - RIA Novosti. The tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile are being completed successfully, the Defense Ministry said .
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    https://ria.ru/20200726/1574935509.html

    ...According to Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko, it is planned to take the missile into service in 2021-2022.
    The Zircon hypersonic missile will have a speed of Mach 9 (nine times the speed of sound) and a flight range of over a thousand kilometers. As stated in the Ministry of Defense, it is intended for nuclear submarines of projects 885, 885M, 949AM, surface ships of projects 22350, 23560, as well as rearmament of the cruiser of project 1144.2 "Admiral Nakhimov". In addition, President Vladimir Putin mentioned the development of a ground-based Zircon."


    Over a thousand kilometers range, this puts it comfortably outside of range of carrier aircraft and (probably) their missiles

    Once this thing trickles down to ships like Karakurts Russian Navy will be become colossal pain in the as to deal with (more than usual) and even a small ship will become a threat to big to ignore





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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:25 am

    I think the 2021/22 time line is optimistic....I've seen other reports talk about roughly around 2025
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:30 am

    Probably a bit like Su-57 service entry... they might already be in service, but not full operational service really.... mainly just probably being used in training and tactics units to develop operational manuals for pilots and ground crews...

    I honestly doubt they would carry all Zircons on every (edit) platform... most will likely get mixed loads to cover a variety of uses and capabilities... so even if they start putting them on ships in 2021-2022, they likely wont be fully operational and widely deployed for a few years after that...


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    Post  Isos on Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:38 am

    That all depends on the tests being carried from Girshkov frigates. If the tests are ok then it can be used very quickly. If not they will need to correct mistajes and retest them.


    I honestly doubt they would carry all Zircons on any platform..

    You want to use the best. If Zirkon is as good as advertized why would they buy Oniks or Kalibr ASM.

    Kalibr land attack and Zirkon will take all the space available with some anti sub kalibr. Oniks will be removed with the one already build used on their missile boats.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:34 pm

    It is likely that the RuN will use the Zircon to considerably increase their risk profile by installing, or saying they have, small numbers on a maximum number of ships.

    That way the prospective enemy has to plan for it everywhere, a potential big pain in the bum. Or it could increase its intelligence gathering abilities.

    Is it shipped and installed in canisters? If so that would be a big help in the strategy as empty boxes tell no lies Smile
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:10 pm

    Sorry, mistake corrected...

    I don't think they will fill every UKSK launch tube on every single vessel with Zircon... I suspect they would benefit more from putting it on the bigger vessels, but in sensible numbers.... carrying all Zircons would make them very potent but also very vulnerable to submarines...

    Of course as pointed out, they can claim anything is loaded... how can you tell what is actually in there until they are launched...
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:30 am

    Funniest thing is to read the absolute denial of the idiots who comment!!! These fukwitz think that snarky jealous comments will somehow defeat hypersonic scram-jet powered missiles? LOL!!!! This ain't the incompetent F-35... Twisted Evil
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    Post  kvs on Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:34 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Funniest thing is to read the absolute denial of the idiots who comment!!!  These fukwitz think that snarky jealous comments will somehow defeat hypersonic scram-jet powered missiles?  LOL!!!!  This ain't the incompetent F-35...  Twisted Evil

    This sort of knee-jerk dismissal of the ability of others to develop effective weapons and even win the biggest war in history
    is what comes from exceptionaist idiots who never lived through any major war of note and who have been brainwashed
    for two centuries at least that they are special and have a "manifest destiny". Nobody ever disabused them of their rotten
    ego-trip delusions. They laugh because they are experiencing severe cognitive dissonance.

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    Post  Hole on Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:38 pm

    Huge mistake in the video. The guy claims that Sarmat is a "normal ballistic missile" like Minutemen III. Mad
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    Post  LMFS on Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:42 pm

    New launch scheduled for September:

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/9321413
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:04 am

    Hole wrote:Huge mistake in the video. The guy claims that Sarmat is a "normal ballistic missile" like Minutemen III. Mad

    Not mistaken but delusional, the west relies on delusion to maintain the belief that they are ahead and they are making progress.

    The Sarmat is just a replacement for the aging Voevoda, the Yars is just a MIRVed TopolM, the Nudol is just an ASAT missile and I can go on, they delude themselves into believing this because they cannot handle the thought that anti liberal, conservative Russia could technologically outmatch them to the point of being able to decisively win a nuclear war.
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    Post  mnztr on Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:11 am

    Hole wrote:Huge mistake in the video. The guy claims that Sarmat is a "normal ballistic missile" like Minutemen III. Mad


    Sarmat is just the launch vehicle no? Its Avangard that is the glider. Sarmat, however is a pretty special launcher. While the Minuteman can deliver warheads, Sarmat has more range so it can take any path to the target. I have also read it has an immensely powerful first stage so that it is much less vulnerable during the boost phase. It gets higher much faster and gets to hypersonic speed much more quickly.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:22 am

    mnztr wrote:
    Hole wrote:Huge mistake in the video. The guy claims that Sarmat is a "normal ballistic missile" like Minutemen III. Mad


    Sarmat is just the launch vehicle no? Its Avangard that is the glider. Sarmat, however is a pretty special launcher. While the Minuteman can deliver warheads, Sarmat has more range so it can take any path to the target. I have also read it has an immensely powerful first stage so that it is much less vulnerable during the boost phase. It gets higher much faster and gets to hypersonic speed much more quickly.

    Actually, the Sarmat and other Russian ICBMs engage in non-ballistic flight before even releasing their payloads. The Minuteman III is an ancient system with a much smaller range than the Sarmat and which lacks any
    serious non-ballistic flight ability.

    The combined Sarmat plus Avangard glider warheads allow the ICBM to be fired in any direction and to circle the globe to reach their target. The glider extends the effective range by thousands of kilometers. It is the
    first ICBM that can be launched over the South Pole to hit Northern Hemisphere targets. The Wiki claim of an 18,000 km range is BS. Russia releases legitimate information about its systems. It is NATzO freaks who
    always claim Russia is lying. As if lying achieves anything outside of "soft power" brainwashing. NATzO is the real collection of liars since that is their primary geopolitical shtick.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:54 pm

    Interesting background.

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/how-many-tsirkon-missiles-will-be-needed-to-neutralise-a-us-navy-carrier-strike-group/
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    Post  hoom on Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:40 am

    Whoever wrote that seems unaware that Aegis has successfully tracked & shot down Mach3 targets.
    Not that this proves capability to shoot down Mach8 targets by any means.
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    Post  Arrow on Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:03 am

    It was a maneuvering target? The US had a problem intercepting targets based on Ch 31.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:25 pm

    hoom wrote:Whoever wrote that seems unaware that Aegis has successfully tracked & shot down Mach3 targets.
    Not that this proves capability to shoot down Mach8 targets by any means.

    lol1 In controlled tests, which many times these exercises act as propaganda to be consumed by the masses. NATO 'successfully' defeated Slovakian S-300's in a exercise back in 2009. So what was the end geopolitical result? In that same year (2009) US and Israel desperately begged and pleaded Medvedev, Rosoboronexport and the Russian Federation not to sell S-300's to Iran despite successfully defeating S-300's in training lol! pwnd

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    Post  kvs on Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:59 pm

    The claim that Aegis can enable the shooting down of Mach 3 targets is propaganda BS. Like the retarded Bell-Textron video showing some attack helicopters taking out
    T-14 tanks without any effort. Pap for morons.

    The precious US Aegis will not be operating unhindered in any real war of aggression on Russia. It will be subject to ECW and will not have anywhere near the claimed
    performance of staged tests.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:35 pm

    A mach 3 drone is not the same as a mach 8 plus target actively trying to evade an air defence system.

    The Americans are not renowned for making their tests hard for their systems to pass.... in fact sometimes when they don't pass they change the parameters so they do pass...

    It was a maneuvering target? The US had a problem intercepting targets based on Ch 31.

    If they had Mach 3 manouvering targets they would not have needed to buy Kh-31s and call them MA-31s.

    Would not surprise me if the Mach 3 drone was a Standard II missile fired from another ship on a preprogrammed path to simulate what they think a Russian anti ship missile will do... its ability to manouver of course would not be that great...
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    Post  Isos on Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:45 pm

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GQM-163_Coyote

    They use the Coyote target missile that goes at mach 2.6 at very low altitude and mach 3-4 at high altitude.

    It simulates russian supersonic missiles much better than the old soviet missiles used as a target simulate western missiles during russian tests.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:A mach 3 drone is not the same as a mach 8 plus target actively trying to evade an air defence system.

    The Americans are not renowned for making their tests hard for their systems to pass.... in fact sometimes when they don't pass they change the parameters so they do pass...

    It was a maneuvering target? The US had a problem intercepting targets based on Ch 31.

    If they had Mach 3 manouvering targets they would not have needed to buy Kh-31s and call them MA-31s.

    Would not surprise me if the Mach 3 drone was a Standard II missile fired from another ship on a preprogrammed path to simulate what they think a Russian anti ship missile will do... its ability to manouver of course would not be that great...

    They stage these tests, make lots of noise and then forget about them. Just like with the kinetic kill ABM wunderwaffen which is fading into oblivion. Some of these
    clowns are competent enough to know that any ABM would require nuclear warheads to even have a fraction of a chance. So we have the tearing up of the
    INF treaty.

    America has no defence against Russian anti-ship missiles. And none of the Russian missiles are Mach 3. The supersonic variants have
    Mach 4.7 terminal impact regimes. The hypersonic Kinzhal is a Mach 10 missile.


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