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    Post  Kiko Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:24 pm

    Intoxicated freaks always resort to personal insults when running out of arguments.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:53 pm

    Looks like he is kitted out in the same uniform as the locals.

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    The “West” has history in #Africa: slavery colonialism and apartheid. #Russia has history in Africa too.

    This is a young #Putin in the bush with the leaders of the freedom struggle against European empire and apartheid.

    Africans will never forget this image

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    Post  Kiko Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:00 pm

    His 71st birthday will be next Saturday 7.

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    Post  George1 Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:17 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Looks like he is kitted out in the same uniform as the locals.

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    The “West” has history in #Africa: slavery colonialism and apartheid. #Russia has history in Africa too.

    This is a young #Putin in the bush with the leaders of the freedom struggle against European empire and apartheid.

    Africans will never forget this image

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    Τhis is in Mozambique. The guy next to him is the historic FRELIMO leader Samora Machel

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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 06, 2023 4:30 pm

    Western media never show Putin actually talking very much... perhaps because he makes sense... unlike western leaders who are idiots.



    The same event but further comments about Canada...

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    Post  Kiko Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:11 am

    Many happy returns of the day!

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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:52 am

    Yes, Happy birthday sir.

    History will reflect on your impact in the world... western sources wont be very nice but the rest of the world will appreciate the great escape they had from a future of slavery imposed by the white west.

    Ironic that most white people in the west are not that much better off than people in the rest of the world because the slave traders have always been the very rich and powerful... and they don't share power or money with anyone if they can help it.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:04 pm

    Read between the lines:

    Putin told how and with whom he celebrated his birthday

    Putin said that on his birthday he “figured it out for three” with Tokayev and Mirziyoyev.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:58 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/587507-putin-unexpected-lgbtq-thing/

    Putin says ‘something unexpected’ about LGBTQ

    Members of the LGBTQ community and its culture are part of a modern society and shouldn’t be barred from being represented at cultural events or contests, Russian President Vladimir Putin believes.

    At the same time, such themes must not be mandatory criteria for winning said contests, as appears to occur in the West, he suggested.



    “Yes, indeed, we see that at various competitions in Western countries, in order to win something, you need to either tell, write, or show the lives of sexual minorities, transgenders and transformers – many different names for them,” Putin stated.

    But I’ll tell you something unexpected. They too – these topics and these people – have the right to win, show and tell, because this is also part of society. This is also what people live by. It’s bad if they just win all sorts of competitions, that’s of no use."

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    Post  Kiko Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:17 pm

    Overwhelming Majority of Russians Believe Putin Should Run for Another Term - Poll, 12.07.2023.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Seventy percent of Russian people believe that the Russian President Vladimir Putin should run for another term, showed Russia's Public Opinion Foundation (FOM) recent poll, published on Thursday.

    Earlier in the day, the Federation Council (the upper house of the Russian parliament) scheduled an upcoming presidential election for March 17, 2024.

    The latest poll, carried out by one of Russia's major public opinion surveys clearly shows that the absolute majority of the nation is in favor of the president participating in the next year's election.
    Meanwhile, 15% believe that Putin should step down as president but remain within the country's leadership in some other capacity, 8% believe that he should leave politics for good, and 7% hesitated to answer the question.
    Respondents were also asked to describe their recent sentiments towards the president, to which 44% replied with "trust," 34% said "hope," 31% went with "calm and confidence about the future," 30% answered "pride" and 16% said "gratitude."

    There were also some negative attitudes: 11% mentioned "concern," 7% said "disappointment", 6% went with "distrust," 3% spoke of "fear" and "shame," and 2% said "antipathy." Another 4% felt indifferent and 3% abstained.

    When asked whether they believe Vladimir Putin understands normal people's needs, 74% of Russians answered positively, while 18% said they believe the president does not.

    A survey by the Russian Public Opinion Research Center (VCIOM) demonstrated that 78% of the population are willing to take part in the voting process, and 84% personally see the elections as important.

    The FOM poll was conducted among 6,100 respondents in late October-early November of this year. The opinion study by VCIOM was conducted among 1,600 adult Russians on November 30, with the margin of error not exceeding 3%.

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20231207/overwhelming-majority-of-russians-believe-putin-should-run-for-another-term---poll-1115459004.html

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Dec 08, 2023 1:00 pm

    Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    It seems that the Brits have found Putin's competitor...

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    Never heard of scratch ? Me neither ... dunno
    Laughing

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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:10 pm

    The oppressive west yapping about Russian oppression. lol1 lol1 lol1

    Keep projecting, losers. It clearly has done wonders for your ambitions so far.

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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:21 pm

    Meanwhile in the US the MSM keeps telling the people that you can´t "throw away" your vote to "3rd parties",
    even if one candidate (RFK) is predicted of getting around 20% of the vote. Which will be 19,999% more than
    that "lady".

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:42 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/587507-putin-unexpected-lgbtq-thing/

    Putin says ‘something unexpected’ about LGBTQ

    Members of the LGBTQ community and its culture are part of a modern society and shouldn’t be barred from being represented at cultural events or contests, Russian President Vladimir Putin believes.

    At the same time, such themes must not be mandatory criteria for winning said contests, as appears to occur in the West, he suggested.



    “Yes, indeed, we see that at various competitions in Western countries, in order to win something, you need to either tell, write, or show the lives of sexual minorities, transgenders and transformers – many different names for them,” Putin stated.

    But I’ll tell you something unexpected. They too – these topics and these people – have the right to win, show and tell, because this is also part of society. This is also what people live by. It’s bad if they just win all sorts of competitions, that’s of no use."

    This is outrageous, and concerning coming at a time when Russia is finally cracking down on these vermin.

    If this is true Putin should be at the very least expelled from office.

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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:51 pm

    Why? One can be gay in Russia and can take part in elections or sport competitions. You can´t be banned for just being gay.
    You aren´t allowed to use your sexuality to get an unfair advantage. A behaviour common in the west.

    Russia is banning western government-led NGO´s because they use "human rights" as pretext for interference in the internal
    affairs of Russia (and other countries) and as cover for riots. All other laws in Russia regarding gays have to do with rubbing your
    sexuality into the face (so to say) of other people, including minors. Which is forbidden.

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    Post  Kiko Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:37 am

    'Putin Era’ Rolls On in Spite of West Endlessly Underestimating Russian Leader, 12.08.2023.

    Analyst Paolo Raffone commented on the political situation in Russia in light of the country’s upper hand in Ukraine, calling NATO-aligned forces a “paper tiger.”

    Many in the West thought military conflict between Russia and Ukraine would spell doom for Russian leader Vladimir Putin. But instead the operation has only strengthened the longtime president’s political resilience.

    That’s according to Paolo Raffone, the director of CIPI Foundation in Brussels, who spoke to Sputnik in light of Putin’s recent announcement that he’d seek reelection in 2024.

    “One critical mistake in any military confrontation is to underestimate the enemy,” noted Raffone. “Since the outset of the Russian operation, the Western propaganda machine has diffused reports ridiculing Russian strategies, forces, and capabilities.”

    “Even at a later stage, the withdrawal of Russian forces from Bakhmut has been completely misinterpreted as a sign of weakness while, instead, it was a wise decision, although painful, dictated by the restructuring of logistics along an over extended frontline.”

    The strategic analyst suggested Putin and his military advisers have played the long game. Meanwhile, Western leaders’ public promotion of Kiev’s chances for victory has given rise to an overconfidence in the regime’s capabilities, imperiling the entire project.

    “The over communication of the capabilities of the Ukrainian army to launch last summer’s counteroffensive has resulted in overestimating the real possibilities while underestimating the carefully prepared Russian defensive lines,” said Raffone. “In addition, the stream of declarations by the NATO secretary general shows the manipulative intent instead of representing the effectiveness of the situation.”

    “Over the last three days, the NATO ‘paper tiger’ has contradicted itself several times on the real possibilities for Ukraine to win. No doubt that in all military operations propaganda is as important as the field activities. However, the reality in the field remains while propaganda vanishes, producing a sense of despair and disaffection in the masses involved.”

    Raffone claimed that, behind the scenes, a “secret realist diplomacy” has prevailed regarding the situation even as a chauvinistic Western press is unable to convey the reality of events on the ground. The disconnect with reality extends to Western political leaders who’ve been unable to reflect Russia’s advantageous position in their “storytelling and policies.”

    He believes the United States is seeking a “credible face-saving exit strategy” from the Ukrainian confrontation amidst the political realities of upcoming elections in Russia, the United States, and the European Union.

    Until those elections are held, Raffone said “no political leader can deviate from the chosen anti-Putin stance,” meaning Western audiences may expect public vilification and hysterical mainstream media speculation to continue.

    "Serious strategic analysis indicates that any global governance settlement cannot be enforced without the equal involvement of Russia, China and the US,” Raffone said.

    “The EU is, regrettably, irrelevant in such an exercise,” he added, as leaders like German Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s slavish devotion to US policy has generated economic decline across the continent.

    "Attempts to work on a G-2 model are not sustainable – we are not in the Cold War era anymore – but they will perpetuate global instability and the potential for further military clashes."

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20231208/putin-era-rolls-on-in-spite-of-west-endlessly-underestimating-russian-leader-1115488066.html

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:12 am

    This is outrageous, and concerning coming at a time when Russia is finally cracking down on these vermin.

    Not at all. As usual the west does not understand Putin or itself.

    Alphabet people in the west want to be special they want special treatment because they are special... they want parades in their honour and want to win awards for what they are rather than what they have done... you know... Like Obama and his Nobel peace joke...

    Putin is not extremist, he is just normal... alphabet people hate him because he does not think they are special. He doesn't want to put them in prison or eradicate them... he wants to treat them as equal to anyone else, which is what real alphabet people wanted till they realised in the west they could go one better and be stars and centres of attention. When every teenager doesn't know what gender they are eventually it will become cool to be a boy or a girl again.

    The real irony is that they claim to be victims and then use the power of pity against anyone who doesn't support their views and bully others for being normal.

    The Alphabet people are only copying the Israeli Jews really.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:30 am

    Also the greatest of all of them as his time was and is far more complex and fast moving than theirs.

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    Thus, Putin will become the longest reigning Russian head of state since Empress Catherine the Great in the 18th century

    Der Spiegel.

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:05 pm

    the withdrawal of Russian forces from Bakhmut
    scratch

    Putin will become the longest reigning Russian head
    Still Russia had more heads of states in the last 45 years than Germany Chancellors. Laughing

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:24 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Putin is not extremist, he is just normal... alphabet people hate him because he does not think they are special. He doesn't want to put them in prison or eradicate them... he wants to treat them as equal to anyone else

    Hence he is wrong.

    Russia should continue moving towards restoring its civilisation and combating satanic nonsense at all costs.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:31 pm

    Big campaign: Putin’s participation in the 2024 elections will consolidate the country by Sergey Brykanov for Izvestia. 12.11.2023.

    The President, according to experts, will take part in the race as a self-nominee.

    The current head of state, Vladimir Putin, will run in the presidential elections in March 2024 as a self-nominated candidate, according to political scientists interviewed by Izvestia. This, they say, is evidenced by the fact that an initiative group was created to collect signatures—candidates from parliamentary parties may not collect them. At the same time, Vladimir Putin is expected to attend the United Russia congress on December 17. The party has already stated that, together with the Popular Front, they are ready to take part in organizing the election campaign of the current president.

    Self-nomination of Vladimir Putin

    On December 8, at a meeting with the Heroes of Russia in the Kremlin, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced his decision to participate in the elections in March 2024. This announcement came in response to an appeal from the Speaker of the DPR Parliament Artem Zhoga, the father of Hero of Russia Vladimir Zhoga, who died in Volnovakha in 2022.

    — At different times I had different thoughts on this issue. But I understand: today it is impossible to do otherwise. So I will run for the post of President of Russia,” the head of state said in a conversation with participants of the ceremony.

    At the time of Vladimir Putin’s announcement to participate in the elections, it was not clear whether the current head of state would participate in them as a self-nominated candidate or as a candidate from United Russia. To some extent, the intrigue around this issue intensified after the words of the presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov, who said that Putin would take part in the United Russia congress on December 17. It is at conventions that political parties usually nominate candidates for presidential elections.

    At the same time, the next day, Secretary of the General Council of the United Russia party Andrei Turchak said that United Russia, together with the Popular Front, are ready to take part in organizing the election campaign of the current president - in particular, to ensure the collection of signatures in his support. According to him, the initiative group to nominate Vladimir Putin as a candidate for the presidency of Russia has already begun to form the group of voters required by law.

    — United Russia will undoubtedly support Vladimir Putin as a candidate for the presidency at the congress on December 17. At the same time, in my opinion, it is most likely that Putin will run in the elections as a self-nominated candidate. Andrei Turchak, by saying that United Russia and the Popular Front were organizing a collection of signatures in support of Putin, indirectly but definitely confirmed this, Dmitry Orlov, general director of the Agency for Political and Economic Communications (APEC), explained to Izvestia.

    The fact is that when nominating a candidate from a parliamentary party, collecting signatures is not required. But a self-nominated candidate must collect at least 300 thousand voter signatures in his support, with no more than 7,500 signatures per region.

    Taking into account the announcement of the collection of signatures, political consultant Dmitry Fetisov does not see an option in which Vladimir Putin will run in the elections from United Russia.

    “It is now important for the President to once again emphasize the consolidation of society and all political forces against the backdrop of the Northern Military District,” the expert notes.

    “United Russia” will support the current president, but he will go to the elections as a self-nominated candidate, agrees the director of the Center for Political Analysis, Pavel Danilin.

    The role of United Russia in the campaign

    However, in comparison with the last presidential campaign, the role of United Russia will obviously be even more significant, experts expect.

    “This can be seen already by the way the party leadership got involved in the campaign,” notes Dmitry Fetisov.

    There is no doubt that United Russia’s role in the election campaign will be significant, Pavel Danilin also agrees.

    “But to what extent, we will understand after the congress, because a lot will probably be announced there too,” the expert believes.

    The United Russia Congress will take place on December 17. It will also discuss the party’s position “on key issues in the life of the country,” the press service of United Russia told Izvestia.

    Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Sergei Neverov previously noted that United Russia will do everything for Vladimir Putin’s victory in the elections. The Russian leader is the most experienced and popular politician in the Russian Federation, who united citizens during a period of difficult trials, he noted.

    — Vladimir Vladimirovich has unique qualities, such as humanity, decency, kindness and, of course, an amazing ability to work. His decision today speaks of his love for his country, his desire to make it strong, prosperous, and to protect Russia in the current difficult time of challenges and threats, says State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin.

    Other major political parties have already announced the dates of their congresses: the Liberal Democratic Party - December 19, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and A Just Russia - For Truth (FZRP) - the 23rd. The SRZP noted that they plan to support Vladimir Putin if he participates in the elections. At their congress, the Just Russians plan to draw up proposals for inclusion in the presidential election program, SRZP leader Sergei Mironov told Izvestia.

    “We began collecting these proposals in November, both through regional branches and directly from citizens through the party’s website. We have repeatedly been convinced that in his decisions the president relies, among other things, on our initiatives, thanks to which the party’s range of opportunities for implementing its political program significantly expands,” explained Sergei Mironov.

    For this reason, he added, the SRZP party has every reason to consider the current president as its candidate.

    Obviously, the issue of nomination will be actively discussed at the upcoming “Direct Line” with Vladimir Putin, which will take place on December 14 (in 2023 it will be combined with the final press conference of the head of state). It is worth noting that after the announcement of participation in the elections, the number of citizens’ calls to the Direct Line increased significantly.

    - It (activity - Izvestia) is due to the fact that people are consolidated around their president, and at the same time they are not silent, they talk about this support. This is also probably a unique characteristic of the current straight line,” Dmitry Peskov told Izvestia.

    According to him, in their appeals, Russians express support for Vladimir Putin and say that they want to see him as the next president of Russia.

    The Federation Council at a plenary meeting on December 7 set the date of the 2024 presidential elections for March 17. Voting will last three days and will begin on March 15.

    https://iz.ru/1618429/sergei-brykanov/bolshoi-kampaniei-uchastie-putina-v-vyborakh-2024-konsolidiruet-stranu

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:12 am


    Russia should continue moving towards restoring its civilisation and combating satanic nonsense at all costs.

    These people have always been in society... the difference is that the west is trying to make the unusual into the normal and they think that will help them, but really, putting them in a spotlight just changes them from victim to monster of a new type.

    Bullies when I was at school came in a couple of different types, there were those who were related to staff which made them no longer accountable for minor bullying, there were the strong ones that liked a fight and physical violence, and there were the popular kids who were often good looking and their bullying was normally rather mental... I should say being male that I never experienced bullying by girls, and I have been told that they are much much worse than boys in terms of relentless bullying and pressure and abuse.

    I can see how someone finds themselves unsure about themselves... affeminate boys and masculine girls... normally isolated and rejected in small groups like in a local school because how many are there going to be in any age group, but add social networks and you can increase the pool of people but also you increase the numbers of doogooders who are offended for other people...

    This can turn things on their head... when I was at school I never heard any teachers use sexual or racial slurs, but the bar has been lowered... when saying hello girls to a girls class in a girls school where three students have decided to be they and one has decided to be a teddy bear, saying good morning girls can get you fired if you don't immediately apologise and get it right.

    The weirdos are bullying the staff.

    The kids who claim to be a victim of modern society learn from school that they are special and their wishes must be respected and people can lose their job if they cross you...

    There is a situation in the west where women on Tik Tok will go to a gym and set up a camera but they will set the camera up so other people are in view and they will do a bit of work and then go ballistic at anyone who looks for too long (in their opinion). They normally wear super tight skimpy clothes to attract attention and complain when they get it. Of course if the guy is good looking and they want to get his attention they complain if they don't look.

    Men are learning to look at no one and help no one and some of the women get into trouble and need help and only women come to help them.

    Men are going to the gym less and less. Perhaps a ban on cameras in gyms is in order.

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    Post  Kiko Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:57 pm

    “Russia cannot exist without this”: Putin set a goal for the country, by Victoria Nikiforova for RiaNovosti. 12.14.2023.

    This year, the Russian President’s big press conference was combined with his “Direct Line”, in which he answers questions and appeals from citizens. The impression from the new format is unusual and fresh. No opening speech - straight answers to questions. Working, dynamic atmosphere.

    A stunning panorama of a huge country - in a sense, “Results of the Year” with Vladimir Putin reminded the exhibition-forum “Russia” at VDNKh. The country is built, it fights, it trades, it travels. The resorts of Kuban managed to receive more than 17 million tourists in a year. Trade turnover with China increased by a third over the year. By 2030, Russia plans to produce a thousand domestic aircraft. Hundreds of thousands of households are connected to gas. The entire line of luxury domestic Aurus cars has begun to be produced in the Emirates.

    Just a few years ago we could not have imagined this. “Those who thought that everything would collapse here, I think they are disappointed,” President Putin summed up Russia’s economic development over the year.

    However, the country does not live by a single economy; the main question is: what is all this for? Vladimir Putin offered his vision of Russia's goals. We traditionally argue a lot about the need for ideology, whether we need it and what it should be, but ideology only preserves the existing status quo. We vitally need a picture of the future, at least a rough plan for the near and long term.

    The goal set by Putin is the comprehensive strengthening of Russia’s sovereignty. This is the country's independence from global structures, self-appointed "elites" and the notorious "rules-based order" in almost all areas.

    Strengthening sovereignty is not only about strengthening the country’s defense capability and “external security.” Putin noted the need to “ensure the rights and freedoms of citizens, develop the political system, ensure sovereignty in the economic sphere, financial and technological sovereignty.” “Without this,” the president emphasized, “Russia cannot exist.”

    There are victories on this front, and considerable ones. The Russian military is successfully moving forward along the entire line of combat contact with the Ukrainian Armed Forces , despite the fact that the Northern Military District front stretches for two thousand kilometers.

    It is very important that these successes are achieved while minimizing combat losses on our part. If Ukraine throws, not counting, the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the furnace of the conflict, then our command is doing everything to save the lives of Russian soldiers. The success of our campaign brought the number of volunteers and contract soldiers recruited during the year to close to half a million. This made the second wave of mobilization unnecessary. “Today there is no need for this,” Putin said.

    Our public has a naive idea that our fight with the West for our independence has only a military dimension. And in finance, high technology, and on the economic Olympus, there are some insidious waiters who are working against the state. However, the struggle for the country’s independence is not only taking place on the fields of Novorossiya - it is a total war.

    And here our national payment systems, working like clockwork, are no less powerful weapons than the “Sun.” The prosperity of our banks hits the enemy no worse than the Lancets. The shining windows of our stores are clear proof that Russia can independently choose its own path of development and no sanctions can interfere with it.

    “As for an order based on rules...these rules do not exist,” the Russian president summed up the West’s claims to world domination. Millions of people around the world agree with him on this today. Our country sets them a brilliant example of a successful struggle for sovereignty in all spheres of the country’s life. I would like, of course, for their leaders to understand: the West is not at all the all-powerful world policeman it tries to appear to be. You can resist him, you can stick to your line.

    Perhaps European leaders will risk watching the broadcast with Putin under their pillow at night - while Biden does not see them. This would allow them to understand how to conduct their policies, how to develop their countries, and not drive them into poverty.

    Our country has more than once had to survive under sanctions and in confrontation with the West. However, this almost always led to tightening the screws within the state. The most difficult task of our days is strengthening sovereignty along with expanding the rights and freedoms of citizens. After all, otherwise the very consolidation of society that led Russia to impressive successes will be lost.

    In this regard, Putin spoke on topics that have recently occupied the information field. His vision of the demographic problem is that it must be solved through economic stimulation. The president compared the topic of “abortion ban” to the senseless anti-alcohol campaign of the late USSR , which did much more harm than good.

    Independent development of Russia is possible only if there is internal peace and harmony in the country. The Northern Military District has noticeably consolidated society, freeing up such a resource of national energy that we had no idea about. But now our solidarity is threatened by interethnic squabbles, conflicts that break out out of the blue, and problems with migrant workers.

    Putin proposes to solve this problem before it arises: to build Russian schools in the post-Soviet space, to train and educate citizens from the former republics of the USSR. Create conditions for families of migrant workers. But in all matters, “first of all, be guided by the interests of the local population - citizens of the Russian Federation.”

    These are not the last challenges facing our country. It is naive to hope that we will win in Ukraine and live like in paradise. There will be problems and search for solutions. The only important thing is that we make these decisions ourselves.

    Putin's idea of ​​Russia's independent development is both a hope and a challenge. It represents a huge responsibility. You will have to think and act not according to Western manuals, not at the behest of former “partners,” but guided solely by your own interests. However, there is simply no other way for Russia.

    Selling your independence profitably—as many people dreamed of in the 90s—is simply impossible today. First they will take away independence, then they will take away the country, they will take away everything that is, and finally they will take away life. A clear example of the trade in independence close to us is the former Ukrainian SSR.

    Vladimir Putin said the most important words at the beginning of his broadcast. “It is impossible for a country like Russia to exist without sovereignty,” the president said. “It simply will not exist.” We should all remember this well.

    https://ria.ru/20231214/tsel-1915856101.html

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:08 pm

    The last question of the conference: “What would you say to Vladimir Putin in 2000? What advice would you give, what would you warn against?

    “I would say: you are on the right path, comrade. I would warn against excessive naivety and gullibility in regards to our partners. About advice: we must believe in the great Russian people. This faith is the key to the success of Russia’s development.”


    So as you might see, Putin himself admits that Russian-western relations were carried with naivety. So we can not shy ourselves using the word Razz

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 15, 2023 4:33 am

    What you are ignoring is that such evaluations can only be made after the event.

    If Putin had been hard line hard core the cooperation and trade would not have taken place, Russia would not have developed the basics and would be more like North Korea than what it is now.

    Things don't happen in a vacuum.

    The west might have been more respectful of Putin had been less friendly, but equally they might have been more hard core and tried to Balkanise Russia much earlier on.

    Putin did everything he could to get cooperation with the west, and not just with the left leaning parties or the right leaning parties... he was there long enough for cooperation to happen with any western political party that is ever likely to hold power in their respective countries... and they all were smiles to his face and shit talking to his back... except the ones that shit talked to his face.

    Russia gave the west every opportunity for the west to grow up and stop being a colonial bastard and they failed the test.

    The west only likes weak small countries they can dominate and overwhelm... it has nothing to do with communism... the west was happy to suck up to the communist Soviets when Hitler was a problem, and equally when the Soviets remained after that conflict all powerful and dangerous they eventually made friends with communist China in an effort to weaken the Soviets... which of course begs the question why they didn't just make accommodations and friendship with the Soviets the way they did with the Chinese and it would be problem solved.

    But lets not let common sense get in the way because obviously it was never about communism... Russia has been a democracy for 30 years and they are the bad guys as far as the US and the west is concerned... and China and Russia together is their real nightmare and of course India is growing and developing too and it is the short sighted actions of the west that is making that happen... they were getting cheap energy but they wanted more...

    Putins attempts to cooperate with the west were necessary for anyone wanting to work out who to blame for all this... it was clearly the west that wanted confrontation and war and yet ironically they were the least prepared for the conflict that they created... and it is probably going to destroy their economies.

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