It is just stepping in to stop Georgia bully SO and ABk.
Russia is the bully not Georgia. It created borth conflicts and it also consistently performs old fashioned land grabs.
You care about your culture and your history and your lands, but not much for the people you bombarded to seize those lands in 2008...
Those our our lands and we responsed to attacks and provocations, not because we felt it was a nice day to kill. Saakashvilis response was a major disaster.
If I was in charge, I would have simply vaporised the separatist units that attacked as a response and leave it at that. But I am not in charge.
See now that is a problem... Russian instigated proxy war in the Ukraine...
Yeah. It is. Glad you see that.
Oppose Russia all you want.... but I am pretty sure the US can't give you the lands you crave back...
The language of an aggressor. Classy.
In your situation and location... it is the only country that matters.
Thank you for verifying everything I said GarryB.
Hahahaha.... WTF does right or wrong have to do with anything?
Do you think it is right that Syrians are fighting and dying to defend themselves from ISIS while the last superpower on the planet does all it can to overthrow their government and create chaos there like they did in Libya a few years ago?
Better question. How does that justify the bahaviour of the former superpower ?
For Georgia however, the situation is not so satisfying, but I am sure joining NATO and the EU and sending soldiers to fight wars for the US will be the right solution for Georgia....
I see the US media has published stories of Georgian units stealing from US units...
Sure, throw in the old stereotypes. Class act. The US generaly look down at their allies. Georgians are no exception whatsoever and those are stories from the early 2000s. Things have improved since then. Shitty act in the Georgian army is not less treated with disciplinary action than in Europe. At least we are not looting marauding warbands like the Russians were in 2008.
Even if they did what difference would it make... do you think if you started another conflict with Russia that the rest of NATO would back you up all the way to Moscow... or even just to the borders of the Russian Federation?
It makes Russia think twice of attacking again because of NATO presence. That is currently enough.
Again... you talk about doing the right thing... how old are you... really...
I'm not the one babbling and repeating Russian PR nonsense, not even RT publishes anymore, yet tries to talk phylosophy of geostrategic justification.
Keep rediculing yourself.
You seem to think the Russians are the enemy and that somehow you can scare them into running away...
Right .... how exactly do you figure ?
.... because that would mean NATO and the US building bases even closer to their territory...
Except it didn't in 2001. The reason why Shevardnadze ultimately green lit US presence is because Moscow kept pressuring us on the pretext of harboring Chechen fighters, so they'd have an excuse to cross the border with troops and consistently violate our airspace. No means fucking no. You can't simply bully everyone into submission because they don't allow you to operate on your soil.
I would ask you why New Zealand history teachers would bother with the intricate history of the Caucasus.
....I am a white....
Okay, 'white Zealander'
Russia literaly backstabbed an ally because it saw an opportunity. Stop justifying it. A proper ally would have supported and then left, not annex. You keep repeating the same nonsense over and over. When will it stop ? why does everyone have to fear losing an entire arm when offering Russia a fingernail ? Just .... stop.
Sounds like you are describing the US... which still has military forces in Germany and Japan and South Korea... and many other countries on the planet... including Cuba... do they leave when asked?
If NATO can break up Yugoslavia, then Russia can break up Ukraine & Georgia that help each other & Chechens; most of the Georgians helping Ukraine r citizens of Georgia:
Russia didn't break up either the Ukraine or Georgia... the Ukraine and Georgia did that to themselves.
Sorry to break it to you, but reality disagrees.
Russia instigated those conflicts, broke those countries up with fully supporting the sessessions politicaly, with arms, mercenaries and troops, and don't fool yourself, planned, organised and executed everything from toe to wig.
Now, give me one good reason, why you people who argue that matter are being willingly no lesser hypocrites than those big countries with their overreaching agendas ?
You have already said the people living in SO and ABk don't belong there....
This right there is a prime example of how entities like GarryB twist words and meanings to propagate their poorly crafted individual PR agendas. I've seen that in a scary scale on media throug recent years. People like you can't be reasoned with.
Stating a basic historical / geographic fact that the Ossetians (Alans) are not indeginous to Georgia ..... and suggesting that I implied they belong eradicated, are not one and the same thing, and frankly its highly offensive.
Medieval mentality of Saakashvili used Grads to try to wipe minds...
Both sides used MRLS, Russians even deployed Smerchs and ballistic missiles.
How culturaly advanced was the shelling of Grozny ?
there was no respect at all in either direction I might add.
At least you admit to that fact. Indeed, where was the respect to the Georgian minority living in Tskhinvali when they got their appartments destroyed and turned IDPs before the GAF even began their operation ?
Except that one thug you want desperately to join and the other is evil beyond compare... do you decide with the flip of a coin, or is it more random than that?
I'm sure you mispoke there, but thanks for admitting it ^^
Frankly I see them as equals.
There is no Ukrainian government...
they were not elected... half of them aren't even Ukrainian... they seized power with the support of the US and the EU... and their only job is to hate Russia..
Oh please ....
Yup, Ukrainians killing Ukrainians... give them all the training they need by all means... your logic weakens both of your countries.
Yeah sure, those Russian mercs are all Ukrainians in disguise. It's all just a huge misunderstanding.
Point remains. Its their country. I don't see anything immoral in providing training to an allied country fighting terrorists and foreign intruders. That's what allies are for. I don't think Russia wouldn't understan ..... oh wait ..... right, we've seen their definition of being allies
But all the bad guys are Russian Army soldiers
Yet again, putting words in my mouth. Never said they were. But a good massive AF chunk of them is.
sent to the Ukraine to destabilise the country and make it an economic shitpile.
wow, pretty much hit the head on the nail there. GG.
The fact is that they don't need Russian forces for that... they are doing a really good job of that on their own.
But it doesn't hurt to take away Crimea to secure the potential riches around it, and cause a good for NATO to never welcome Ukraine as no country with territorial conflicts are allowed to enter, swatting two flies in one go.
because they don't recognise the illegal occupation force in Kiev...
those fairy tales getting old.
Finaly, don't complain about such things, when Russia has thousands of mercenaries in Donbass, among them their famous Wagner Group that freshly arrived from Syria.
How could that possibly be true when thousands of the Wagner group were killed in US airstrikes...
Said noone ever. Even the US didn't claim more than a 100 killed, and that number got dramaticaly reduced to a "possibly" a few dozen when Russian state media declared only 15 or so Russians actualy died. So please, at least stop lying so flat out.
So Georgians are instructors and Russians are mercenaries.... hahaha... why not freedom fighters and terrorists... have you not properly read the US manual?
Uhm yes. Because Georgian military advisors and instructors are not the ones fighting in Donbass. It are the ex-miliaties and police who volunteered either from Georgia or who already lived in Ukraine. Those people got their Georgian passports revoked and are all, obv except the instructors, Ukrainian citizens.
Funny that the Ukrainians in the east of the Ukraine are supposed to be fully supplied by Putin himself yet they modify 23mm cannon shell rounds with blank cartridges and muzzle launch tubes for assault rifles instead of just using 40mm under barrel grenade launchers like the Russians have been doing for 30 years...
Oh please. Russia doesn't just provide anything they require including self propelled artillery, MRLS, tanks, manpads and what not, among them, captured Georgian equipment, but by all intents and purposes either the Russian army has directly vaporized UA army positions by surgical artillery and guided missile and ballistic strikes during their massive counterattack in 2014, or the separatists happen to have magic unicorns that shat weapons and satellites out their asses.
Remove NATO and the US from the equation and Russia will relax...
You make it all sound easy, as if none of Georgia's decisions result from any intigated sessessions and 2nd party aggression or something ....
With NATO and the US out of the picture
Wouldn't of been in the first place if they didn't screw us up, being the paranoid warmongers the Kremlin ppl are ? my condolences to Ukraine.
They might appreciate honesty and a genuine wish to reconcile... or they might just say fuck off... you murdered our people we are not interested in being friends.
Ok look, the world doesn't work like that. Yes we can lead by example, but it is in no way perceivable a way road here. Neither historicaly, nor symbolicaly. Those territories are rightfully ours and especialy the Abkhazians should be very careful with blaming others of "murdering people". They went full genocide on the population in Abkhazia. There is a chance to reconcile but we are not the only ones who need to apologize. That is just wrong.
To which you can reply that that was the idiot Saakashvili and he was under the influence of America, who does not care about people and just wanted to upset Russia and to build military bases around Russia, but we have gotten rid of them and want better relations with you and Russia...
Sorry, done that, tried to normalise, even achieved communication and compromise between us and Ossetians, Russians create conflict border and build fences in response.
No sign of interest to be friendly with us from the Russian side whatsoever. Only further signals of complete no F's given.
Yeah I'm sure we gonna absolutly benefit from that.