Turkey relations with US and NATO

Werewolf wrote:As long this scum Erdogan is dictating around, ordering own turkish army to bomb turkish soil and people to blame Assad for it like last year and this year and the sarin gas bombing with Turkish help, they will not go away of being the whore of USA, kill the pimp and the bitches will run.

Mike E wrote:

Werewolf wrote:As long this scum Erdogan is dictating around, ordering own turkish army to bomb turkish soil and people to blame Assad for it like last year and this year and the sarin gas bombing with Turkish help, they will not go away of being the whore of USA, kill the pimp and the bitches will run.

He seems to be one of those who are slowing moving away... Western leaders call on him to fight ISIS, he agrees, just to never do it anyway. The West tells him to support the Kurds, he simply refuses... Yeah, he might still be a puppet, but at least there is a little Independence there. I think that eventually Turkey will either leave NATO, or get kicked out. - That has been a hot rumor now that he won't take a stand against ISIS. 

Not to say he is a good leader... 

Just look at history, Turkey has always been independent and they will be again. Even their MIC is growing independent of NATO, whom they've relied on for years.

 - Not only does he not want to arm the Kurds, he is preventing the US from doing so!

Mike E wrote:Not going to disagree, but much more of that crap in Turkey and the people will respond. Don't forget that Turkey doesn't have great relations with much of Europe and the UN, they are also constantly rejected membership into the EU. I doubt the US still would use Turkey as a nuclear "base", for crying out loud, they aren't letting the US use a single airbase! - These events by themselves don't mean much, but as they grow in number over time, something will inevitably happen.

George1 wrote:Turkey will be disintegrated by its allies (USA and Britain). Mark my word..

GarryB wrote:Turkey is being used by the west... we want to base jupiter missiles there so you can join NATO, but you are not white enough to join the EU...

ie we will make you part of the front line for WWIII but you can join our economic and political group too.

Of course Turkey wont support the Kurds... just like the UK wouldn't support the IRA.

Hannibal Barca wrote:Unfortunately the answer is yes, when the time is due, and we Greeks need to hang our politicians from the balls!!

As Sa'iqa wrote:Turkey should disintegrate. With Islamists in power Turkey will be a major source of trouble in the Middle East for years to come, together with Saudi Arabia and Iran. I support the creation of a buffer zone in form of independent Kurdiststan made of parts of Turkey, all Kurdish-majority parts of Iraq and Syria and maybe some parts of Iran.

It would be best if that Kurdish state was ruled by communists (PKK/PYD). it should be not only secular but fiercely anti-Islamic.All mosques should be designated as enemy military installations and destroyed, possession of any Islamic literature (quran, hadith collections, sharia books etc.) should be treated as state treason and all muslim clerics should have status of enemy combatants.

As for Turkey, a Kemalist should take control. And Turkey out of NATO actually means less trouble for... Greece.

I agree with you first point, but everything after that.... Creating a new state, especially one that is "anti-Islamic", would only create more division in an already unstable Middle East. It would be déjà vu all over again... Plus, most Kurds are Islamic (Shia at the very least) and probably wouldn't except anything otherwise... Nevermind that the concept of Communism has never properly been enforced on to them. A great idea in practice, a terrible one in the real world. 

Mike E wrote:
Unfortunately? Why? Losing Turkey would be terrible for NATO, and great for someone like Russia who could begin large trade with them...

GarryB wrote:Hey Asssian, there is a rules and introductions section where you can introduce yourself properly and have a read of the rules here on this forum and read a bit about the other members here.

Note it is a forum rule that you introduce yourself with your own thread in the introduction section, but you don't need to delete any of your posts.  

I agree that both Russia and Turkey would benefit from better relations... whether Turkey is a member of NATO or not.

GarryB wrote:I am a kiwi.... 100 years ago we fought on the battlefield and murdered each other in a defeat for our side at Gallipoli.... but the respect and honour you showed with our dead means I have nothing but respect... the US forgave the Japanese and the Germans despite both countries killing more Americans than Russia ever did... it is a shame we can't get over the past so we can move forward, but so many are fixated by the past and don't look at what they are doing now and just repeat the old mistakes of the past.

I am fascinated by military equipment... particularly the engineering and development and improvement but I would be happiest if such equipment is trained with and never used for real.

Sadly sometimes it has to be used so it is good it is there, but all the alternatives need to be used before going for the gun and the bomb... no matter how accurate and powerful they are.