Really? Tell Gaddafi about the UN imposed no fly zone and how the US and France used that to provide ground support to their terrorist proxies for regime change... Oops, no you can't because he is currently dead and able to tell no tails... convenient?
Nice try. First of all it was NATO not UN.
Secondly, the UN resolution on Lybia was approved by 10 and 5 declared abstinance
, including Russia, not veto
. That's the decicive part here. If those countries were opposing the notion they had all the right to express it. They didn't.
Funny that you throw your consciousness completly out of the window when defending Russia's past and current actions but are completly devoted in rambling about "NATO".
It's not like NATO outright attacked Gaddafi. The UN intervened after deliberate purges and heavy human rights violations became too obvious as to ignore by anyone.
Obviously the West also used the opporunity to reform that country, but Lybia is anything but under their influence. In fact neither the EU nor US do realy want to have anything to do with the mess especialy due to ISIS threat, which is being fought and that fight is supported by both the US and Russia.
But you probably gonna put the tinfoil hat on all of that.
Just like you claim about everyone non-Russian he thinks it's all exclusively Russia's fault.
You keep rambling it's all the "Wests" fault.
Nice self reflection.
Besides. Keep supporting terrorists and despots. We understand where you're coming from.
Hahahahaha... yeah... NATO moving NATO bases and NATO forces to Russias border
Sigh .... that ignorance ....
Nobody is .... moving
.... NATO bases ( especialy lol ) closer to Russia. Neither are NATO forces moving closer to Russias border. Like where ?
Boosting military presence in NATO countries for manouvers .... and actualy deploying troops close to the Russian border .... are two cosmic differences.
Russia is literaly placing thousands of troops AT
the border and INSIDE
its neithbouring countries ....
is deterrent, and Russia responding by moving its military forces within its own border to position them nearby in case of attack by NATO is aggression
What a damn hypocrite lol
Not "nearby". Physicaly *AT
Yeah right lmao
So Russia is upset that it won't ever be able to successfuly attack Europe if it ever decided to. Cry me a damn river.
Russia is upset that it needs to spend money on weapons
Poor uncentralised non autocratic Russia, had all its resources originaly devoted to development, infrastructure, non-military science and social progress before all the crisis ....
Yes, every nation has the right to join a Nazi organisation and antagonise its large neighbour.
So now not only actual Nazis ( of which there are more in Russia btw ) - EVERYONE
is a Nazi now. Sure you haven't left out anyone on this planet ? you should double check.
Don't listen to me though...
Ehm ... are making me chose between your credibility and the rest of the world and myself ?
Look man, no offense, but I gotta side on the rest of world here lol
Was a hard decision though. ^^
Those countries ARE weak and would be rolled over in days...
You sound to me like someone who realy wants to see those countries get destroyed. What does that type of rhetoric make you look like ?
an aggressor maybe ?
do you think being a member of NATO will help you any if you decide to take back South Ossetia or Abkhazia by force?
Oh ghad. You don't even get the elemential reasoning to why we want to join NATO.
Do you realy think we are sacrificing and crippling our people in foreign countries just so we can get at war to lose and cripple more people and the entire country ?
What do you think we want NATO protection against .... ? very difficult question
You consider yourself a genius. I am sure, you can at least figure that one out ....
You become cannon fodder and fighting space for NATO...
What concern is that to you ?
Besides getting salarey bonus for deployment and extra compensation in case something happens, many people do join those efforts because they actualy believe that they are fighting for a just cause.
It is their decision.
Why does Russia not committ more resources in fighting domestic terrorism ? because it still hasn't dealt with it in a peanut sized region of it's huge ass territory.
So NATO hands over anything you ask for with full training...
You are insane and truly suffer delusions.
NATO didn't hand over ( especialy hand over
) anything we asked since 2001 and not even adequate training. All the Soviet junk we got was acquired for actualy more money than it cost.
If you don't take my word for granted, at least do some basic research and look at what we acquired since 2001.
If NATO and Israel handed us over what we actualy wanted
our T-72s would have been replaced by Merkavas, the AK-74 replaced with actual COLT M-4s and our vehicles and flying apparatus all be replaced with Western gear.
All you see on our soldiers, except the AR-15 Bushmasters and Kalashnikovs obviously, is domestic product. The uniforms, helmets, vests, and the Georgians.
I love how some people even to this date try to draw the Georgian army as an effective fighting force clad in NATO armor. If only.
how many trillions of dollars in debt do you think you would need to spend to make Russia fear Georgia?
Our military goal is not make Russia fear us, but think twice about attacking us, and so that we can hold out at least for a bit and inflict some damage or delay so that the internatioal community can react - if at all. We are not even counting on it.
That's like the modest of goals any country can have.
How many civilians would you have left for that sort of armed force?
Georgia doesn't need a large military force. It needs a professional one and that's what we are trying to build in 2018.
You make it sound like joining NATO will suddenly make you an equal to Russia
From the POV of Georgia, NATO serves as deterrent against Russian aggression, but also boosts its military defence capabilities.
Former is arguable, latter is a fact.
be able to do what you want
based or implied by what ? your anti Georgian sentiments are irritating. They would have been somewhat understandable during the 2008 war at best. But now you are talking with no evidence or even implication.
In 2008 Georgia launched an offensive.
Since 2008 Russia has been further detoriarating the situation while Georgia trying to do everything to improve it.
Now you shit all over us for acquiring basic defence weapons as Russia is continously boosting its troop presence in both regions for no reasons whatsoever.
Even if the Georgian army was fully prepared and fortified to anticipate any Russian aggression and fight it, the available Russian force in one of the regions alone with support of naval and air elements would completly steamroll it.
Again, if you don't take my word on this, check how many troops they have deployed in Georgia.
They deployed yet more T-90s and other tanks recently, way before the US assured further assistance and you babble some nonsense about Georgian "threat" ? at least sound somewhat credible.
How do you think all those activities are received by Georgia ? a gesture of good will ? especialy in connection to the fence policy.
Try to put things into perspective for a moment and look at the situation from the POV of the opposing side also.
But oh wait, you consider us any everyone who isn't in support of Russias political agendas, Nazis ....
Surely such a person is capable of reasoning
BTW we don't have a large military here in NZ... we don't need one.
Our army is used for peacekeeping ops around the world and our navy patrols our large EEZ and the seas around us.
Our air force had a useless fighter component to it for a long time but now it is just transports for the army, though normally like most armies they mostly move by sea.
Ehm ... neither does Georgia and we also don't need one, contrary to the overbloated armies of virtualy all
btw NZ - New Zealand ? seriously mate ?
New Zealand is surrounded by frikkin oceans mofo lol
What, do you have territorial struggles with the Atlantians and Aquaman .... or the penguins ?
Bit of a hypocrite aren't we ? you took part in all of those wars.
Fanatical Islamist and fake communist countries that threaten to destroy you and your allies and actively support terrorism against a number of countries, for decades now ? seem like legit threats to me. Even Russia sees North Korea as a threat now.
Yeah, I realy don't see what's so funny about that situation. The Iranians have been smuggling weapons and terrorists all over the place way before many of the recent conflicts. The North Korean leadership is just bat shit crazy. Those are two problems.
You are frikkin hilarious.
So what exactly is Russia's
excuse for arming the Saudis ? they just recently signed another 3bn dollar arms deal with them. Let me guess, in this case its absolutly reasonable since it suits Russia making money with it, but all the rest are Nazis of course. Big bad Nazi West !
Saudi Arabia has been the sin pool for everyone
, not exclusively the West amigo.
"damn, didn't think of that....better shift topic". Be my guest. You're welcome.
The Soviets didn't owe the Poles anything...
Yeah, you have been very clear about what you think of Poles .... probably would have suited you if the Nazis and Soviets killed them all.
soldiers from eastern european countries took active part in destroying the Soviet Union with their Nazi allies
Are you fucking ..... 'not very intelligent' ? the Soviet Union attacked, sacked and occupied Poland with their at that point in the conflict, Nazi buddies.
Then they proceeded massacring their entire military officer cadres because they were a potential
threat for the future. Thousands were executed.
Then during the Warsaw uprising, they just watched how the Nazis quelled it so that the Polish resistance was removed and it was easier for the Soviets to take it from them and establish control without any Polish resistance. Thats a fact even many Russian historians acknowledge.
Then followed decades of Soviet oppression.
Yes Poles hated the Soviets just for the sake of hating.
They had absolutly no historical reasons for resentment whatsoever ....
Read a damn book GarryB. Your ignorace at this point is offensive.
the allies took Paris because they suspected the communist resistance
The allies took Paris along the way to clear it from the Wehrmacht mate .... because France was an occupied country.
The race to Berlin, yes that is definitly something that happened, but the Soviets won that race.
They can bitch all they like...
Very self reflecting comment.
They let the Soviets take the losses instead...
Yeah right, because launching a risky invasion that could have cost the allies hundreds of thousands of troops if they met even adequate, not just decent, but only adequate German resistance .... instead of you know that confused mild mannered mess of opposition they faced, thanks all to diversionary intelligence and espionage building up the operation for years, would have been so much better.
Soviet losses were unproportionaly high in the first years of war, but then became more or less acceptable and similar to German losses when their military operations were better organised and resembled some form of decent strategy and tactics and also because Germans blasted their load in the first 2 years.
Sure, its all the allies fault.
In fact it was the "West" that attacked Russia, not Nazi Germany.
Those bastard Americans, supplying the Soviets with arms and food !
One miserable occupyer who oppresses and executes changes the other. What kind of debile excuse is that please ... ? get real man .... realy take a book from the local library and get some education. This level of ignorance is truly intolerable, albeit funny as hell.
If they had the spine to liberate themselves there would not have been a problem.
Easy thing to say for someone in his cosy basement somwehre in the sorry - but anus of the world, surrounded by nothing but peaceful oceans.
So it's just your fault when you are weak and someone more powerful comes into your house, punches you in the face and declare all your belongings and your ass his play thing right ?
Btw it not makes it any better if one drunk absuing invader replaces the other.
... maybe if they want to be liberated by a third world country with nukes then they need to learn to live in a third world country.
LMAO - you do have a comedic gene. Maybe use it.
The Soviets knew they could trust the west no more than they could trust the Germans...
Those excuses getting funnier ....
eastern europe became the buffer between the Soviets and the west and performed that role nicely.
.... and funnier.
If the west wanted eastern europe to be free they simply could have withdrawn first... they didn't either.
The West didn't withdraw because of the Soviet threat. Where do you think would the Soviets have halted if the presence of Western allied forces didn't stop them ? in Berlin right ?
Don't be a fool, they are American bases in Eastern europe... the claim is that they are ABM sites but the one they orignally planned had the mid course interceptor that would be no use against anything targeting europe... they were to intercept missiles on their way to the US.
Not weapons "donated" to countries. Otherwise all of Europe would be full with Patriots.
The radar setups look deep into Russian air space though... and not by accident.
So what are you implying ? that the US wants to attack Russia ? based on what ? defensive weapons ? Russia's radars also oversee neighbouring countries, except Russia actualy DOES
attack its neighbours.
You don't know them at all...
You literaly see what they are doing. I resort from speculating and wait for actual facts.
they will be generous and give Georgia soft loans of millions ..... of dollars... two catches of course...
Even if so, you are reaching for some insignifcant stuff trying to make it look bad and evil.
A loan is still a loan, you need to pay back. We already have massive issues on that in regards to French anti air missiles.
lmfao ^ if only ....
.... old F-16s that are pretty worn out, old armour, that sort of stuff...
You realy have absolutly zero clue about Georgia and its current situation and general political interests do you ?
It is not in Georgias interest whatsoever to acquire new tanks of fighter jets. We are not talking about political interests only, but base military interests of the Georgian military.
The goal of the Georgian military is to boost defence capacities, but also replace what is currently rotting away out of pure base necessity of maintaning an armed force. The air component is almost completly defunct because all the Su-25s are becoming obsolete despite modernisation, half of them are stuck in the plants for repairs, same with helis.
What the Georgian army is trying to do right now is sell all of that and replace its strike aircraft with less durable, but cheaper drones with weapon configuration. If that's not sad, I don't know what is.
Getting spare parts for Mi-24s and Mi-8s has become difficult to almost non existent, as Ukraine is at war, every other nation with Soviet inventory won't because their stuff is also becoming obsolete and they have the same issues. Russia is modernising all their current equipment.
The US promised us Black Hawks as a gesture of partnership etc in 2014, but it's 2017 and we haven't seen a single Black Hawk rotor ....
It is fun to be the west.... just not very ethical.
It is not fun to be Russia on top of not very ethical.
It would be fun, if Russia was at least as powerful a nation it pretends to be.
Maybe they need another Georgian leader ....
You mean like moving troops over a border and shelling a capital city? Yeah I know...
I wonder if you are talking about Afghanistan or Sukhumi that got shelled by Russian jets during the Abkhazia War, since Russia wasn't involved
in any of that.
Oh, oh now I get it. You are referring to the Georgian operation in Samachablo. Yeah, too bad you don't have a point because it's not a foreign country but a rebelious region.
Come up with an actualy valid
analogy I guess .... ?
So lets call it a police action like the Vietnam war.
The questions tands: where is NATO physicaly attacking Russia with its military ?
It would make any sense if NATO was actualy attacking Russia.
Funny thing is, you make claims, Russian athorities don't.
You mean to defend people from their own government who is shelling them in South Ossetia or the Donbass?
Yes, the Georgian people are so happy that Russia "protected" them by occupation.
At least you aren't denying involvment in Donbass.
Btw, nice try diverting from your crappy analogy there lol
The unified world the west wants is a world run by the US dictated to via the UN, and controlled by big business... fuck that.
So you'd rather a unified world run by Russia dictated to via a Russian constructed International Institution for Rights controlled by big business that are even more oppressive and undermining ?
This is what I meant by "crippling alternative".
Yeah... UNSC resolution 1244 or something talked about the fact that Kosovo is a part of Serbia and that should not be changed... and then they ignored it.
Just like Russia ignored anything it previously had signed with Georgia before even the war, starting with its supposed "peacekeeping" status and several incursions into Georgian airspace, and suspected ground incursions to "fight militants". Because fuck established and recognized nations borders right ? didn't seem to care about that in 2014 either.
If they were against senseless bloodshed WTF have they been doing in the Middle East for the last two decades?
But the Soviets invading to violently overthrow the Afghan regime and establish full control over Aghanistan leading to millions of dead and displaces is absolutly OK or what ?
NATO intervened because Bin Laden openly declared war on them. They removed the Taliban and Al Qaeda threat and fought insurgencies since 2001, now left in 2014 and currently are underway with the Resolute Support Mission.
The Afghan population actualy welcomes the protection provided by those efforts. If you'd had any insight apart of your personal opinion, you wouldn't be so incredibly biased and one sided about it.
There is literaly no comparison to both wars.
Many thousands of people, I think around 30-40.000 have died mainly deaths caused by terrorist attacks, compared to an estimated almost 2 million dead in the 90s ( both Western and Russian sources ), and some of it as result of Soviet punishment for supporting the Taliban.
What about their rapid and decisive action regarding the massacres in Rwanda... no oil and they are black so who cares right?
Does Russia care ?
Now you are getting it..
Not me, but I think you
're slowly grasping reality and that all the excuses you are trying to make are complete nonsense.
And why whether you join NATO or not you are a small weak country... just like NZ.
so we have no right to exist or have rights ? is that what you're saying ?
What you don't realise is that joining NATO wont make you stronger..
We don't want to get stronger, but be protected against Russia. It is like base survival instinct. You as a nation get attacked, you seek for protection from a force that can provide for you.
The baltic countries and eastern european countries you so strongly defend miss their nazi rulers more than they miss their commie ones
oh come on .... because Russia is so caring and symphatetic to letting in thousands of refugees .... and you sympathise more with them than with the Russians so it makes sense to me.
Lmfao. Top reasoning. Academic level.
So your strategy is basicaly surrounding yourself with Nazis so that I can't say I'm not supporting Nazis .... clever.
Half the nutters in the illegal government in Kiev are openly nazi and you support them too.
I mean, I appreciate your effort deciding in my stead who I support or not ... lol
But I support the more resonable part of the Ukrainian goverment.
I actualy disapprove of Poroshenko, not least because he was sheltering Saakashvili and now can't grow the pairs to extradite him to Georgia despite being oppenly insulted by him .... what a man.
... Soviet troops withdrew from Austria and made no attempt to assimilate any of the countries of the countries they liberated.
you mean besides trying to assimilate and force their socialist doctrines and lifestyle onto them .... right.
....but otherwise there was no major expansion of Russia...
the f ... are you smoking .... ?
after 1991 they let them go too and have made no attempts to get them back despite their treatment of Russian citizens within their new countries.
If only Russia was so christian with all its other neighbours and countries it had occupied.
Ever heard of basic military tactics and diversion .... ?
No it does not.
Your denial doesn't really negate facts.
They didn't give a fuck about the Shia majority, because they know they are pro Iranian anyway. The Sunni forces they were fighting are more their natural ally being pro Saudi.
Neither agreeing nor disagreeing here, because things were done and things were not done ....
... but still it's a fact that those basic of basic military manouvers were first and foremost aimed at eliminating the enemy military. So you have no point.
....they thought it through
At least they actualy thought it through and contemplated and considered. But then aggain Saddam was still Saddam just like Assad is still Assad.
Rommel didn't give a shit about the Arabs either... he wanted Middle Eastern Oil to run the German war machine... he could care less about liberating anyone.
Neither did and do the Russians. It's all about politics and economy to them as well. Would be a hard loss for Russia if America eliminated their their military presence there and established those pipelines.
Set fire to or capped an oil field can't be destroyed, but they still secured them first, because the oil was more important than the people.
They secured them first you genius, because they were literaly physicaly in their way as they were advancing from Kuweit and the Saudis from Saudi Arabia. They didn't secure the oil fields with their advancing forces, but forces they detached explicitly to secure the oil fields. You are stretching wide an issue that is virtualy non existant. Try harder with your excuses ....
Because it's becoming very repetitive and boring.
The Americans did the damage in the first place and let the Iraqis pay the Americans to rebuild... do you think they did it cheap.... most of the American money was loans and went into American pockets and the Iraqi people have to pay that back.
Yeah those evil American bastards. Not like the Soviet Union, that invaded, raped Afghanistan then left, because its army was worn out by the conflict and it became pointless, just to leave Afghanistan in a greater mess than it already was.
Where were the reparations there ?
I am sure on your side of the fence everything in the Crimea and South Ossetia and Abkhazia is chaos and criminal gangs.... and Russian aggression ....hahahahahaha...
as I said. I can't talk for Crimea because I've never been there and people tell me mixed stories, but in case of those two regions, it's miserable.
What some people think, still doesn't negate actual facts of illegal military incursion.
.... but you can in Moscow or Washington or Brussels.
Learn the rules.
So what does that "rule" make them all look like ?
Yeah admittedly in 2008 it was less obvious, but in 1993 it was blatantly obvious, and it is blatantly obvious since 2008.
Well Russia is a big country and Georgia isn't...
I mean, everyone has the right to have personal views and opinions about the world .... but not when it comes to rights.
Rights make people equal. If you are an advocate of power over right, than that is were we already fundamentaly disagree.
I don't see Russia having more rights than any other souvereign nation be it the size of an appartment or the moon.
The fact their mentality and perhaps also yours dictates that it is laughable that a nation the size of an appetment compared to them should even have rights in the first place, just perfectly reflects what everyone dismisses, fears and hates.
Cause and effect... the effect will only stop when the cause is removed from the equation...
That is what I'm saying. They stop beeing a bully, we may fully reconsider our political ambitions of joining the West and rather become a neutral buffer.
And "All but" is not good enough...
Yeah, because fuck souvereignity and independent decisions of other countries right ?
You are sounding like a NATO promise from the early 1990s.
and you're sounding like a typical oppressor and invader.
When you openly support Nazis you are no better.
So credibility means nothing to you ?
It was not done via a ballot box
Yeah, Russia an it's famous "ballot boxes" with 103% ....
it was a violent coup.... which is illegal.
Of course its illegal when it doesn't suit Russia.
But storming a capital and shooting the current leader of a country is acceptable. Legit.
I don't care at all..
But you do. You care enough to wish them ill.
because the forces they are fighting against are illegal and not a legitimatente government.
So, after that Revolution, how long are you going to call every democraticaly elected government in Ukraine "illegal" ? until Russia takes over Ukraine and installs another puppet ?
Personally I don't hope for a pro ukrainian government...
Why is that ? would that make the Russian goverment look weak ? you people are greater war mongerors than any of the governments. Good god ....
The ideal situation is for the fighting and shelling to stop and the separatists to get their own country
Generaly I don't understand people who want further division and honestly I see you as a threat to humanity.
They can then have close ties with Russia and the rest of the Ukraine can go fuck itself.
Again, good thing ppl like you have no authority over such questions. Kremlin for all its massive and unforgivable flaws and cimes, does still have reasonable people compared to you lot.
The problem there is that the West never applies its own high morals on its own actions, only as a judgement tool on others.
Sounds very familiar, like a certain other highly hypocrite nation ....
North Korea and Iran can't have nuclear weapons, then why does Israel not lead by example and give up theirs?
According to even Russia they shouldn't ....
Because the entire Arab world tried to swallow and devour them alive and its one of the deterrents that make those guys think twice before launching another multiple front attack.
... couldn't Iran and NK say they need them for the same reason? Or can you pick and choose who can defend themselves?
If those countries where so stable, trustworthy and credible ( instead of you know ..... openly
threatening to attack and destroy you and special emphasis on your allies .... ), why would they need nukes or even exist in their current states ? why do all other countries not have nuclear deterrents ?
Complicted world .... except not.
The west has done more to create misery in this world than it has done to alleviate it.... just look at chinese investments in africa... they drill some oil and build roads and schools and hospitals.... more than any western oil company ever did.
What a bloated and pretentious nonsense. If there was an alternate timeline of events, say Russia was repacig the United States in being more powerful and able to expand its sphere of influence and dominance, what do you think it would have caused less misery in the world ? that's a horribly unintelligent assumption.
They disarmed the UA military
That exactly is what makes everything else illigitimate.
If they can fucking do that in the Crimea why didn't they do it in Kiev?
What kind of comparison is that ? obviously that would have lead to open war and not limited to Ukraine.
Crimea was an easy target because the Russian army and navy was already in place and the Chaos in Kiev made Crimea ripe for the taking.
Kiev was not in Russias interest. Finaly taking over the peninsula however was.
Doesn't matter if they were the tooth fairy... they disarmed the nazis and allowed a free and fair referendum to take place.
Yes it does. It were unmarked Russian troops, even Putin openly acknowledged that. But funny he violently denied it during the takeover.
What "Nazis" ... so now the UA troops on Crimea were Nazis trying to invade Russia or what ... ?
get real mate.
If they really wanted to stay with the Ukraine they would have by now.
You are deluded beyond comprehension. Crimea is part of Ukraine with a majority ethnic Russian based population. Nobody denies that. But the Russian military was deployed on Ukrainian soil and attacked and disarmed the Ukrainian military to seal off said Ukrainian soil. If it was a realistic referendum all of Ukraine would have taken part of it. But obviously it was deliberately sealed off so that people could "vote" for "independence" - which quickly turned into absoruption. Viola, smart way of seizing territory. Except it isn't, nobody agrees and nobody got fooled.
Keep trying twisting it.
When Russia can't even respect the base rights, constitutions, souvereignity and territorial integrity of other countries, what kind of credibility is left there ? an aggressors credibility ?
Hahahaha... I see you are getting your numbers from your NATO allies... 100,000 troops going to exercise in Belarus...
We are not talking about Belarus but the Ukrainian border Sherlock.
Yes, maybe 100,000 is a stretch but a good 40 - 60.000 is still good enough to raise concerns.
I believe about 8,000 troops were involved
plus recently 8,000 in tiny Belarus. Congratulations.
listen to Russias point of view means
You are trying to imply that what they do is reasonable. What exactly is reasonable about their fence policy and efforts to undermine communication ?
Actually it was a claim by a young American girl
They interviewed her on CNN but cut her off when they worked out she wasn't saying bad things about the Russians.
*Ossetian girl Amanda Kokoeva with her aunt who live in the United States.
She didn't say anything about Georgian troops deliberately targeting civilian cars trying to escape.
She says in the interview: "before I say anything else I want to say we were running from Georgian troops that were boming our city, not Russian troops" and it seemed very forced or pre-discussed with her aunt. How in the hell would she know who was firing in the first place ?
She says that, after she answers the interviewers question "where there bombs falling all the while" ? with "I didn't see any". So go figure.
On top of that her aunt is sitting next to her, stressing that the Saakashvili started the war and that 2000 people were killed. GG
Basicaly repeating Russian media claims and a figure that was debunked later by none other than Russia.
What are the odds, that she wasn't just another one of those people who were told to claim attrocities committed by Georgian troops that were never proven in the fist place ?
Or maybe it was just that a person who was upset about Saakashvili for what happened, for what I can't possibly blame him or her, and told her niece to say exactly what she said. I know I would have done so as a parent.
The only recorded incident of Georgian troops supposedly firing at civilians is when one of them approaches with a white arm strap, but ignores their calls to identify. The Georgains open up on him, but you clearly see in the footage he was armed. White arm straps were generaly worn by the separatist volunteer combatants and some Chechen troops. Something you can also observe in the Donbass conflict.
Yes because RT doesn't pay ppl for claiming any kind of BS and tin foil theory abut the West lol
When a burglar breaks into a house.. even if he owns the house and is the landlord, and starts killing people... even accidently I am not going to cry that he cut his hand on the window getting in. When the occupiers of the house start shooting back and hit a neighbour then that is sad too but why would I blame anyone but those that broke into the house illegally and created the whole situation in the first place.
Burgler isn't even a fitting analogy but yes, basicaly you ouldn't have described the wars in Chechnya any better.
And then you say it was Russias fault because of their provocations it never would have happened...
Yes, because that's all the cause and reason. Nothing just happens
You new buddies invented this, but they are the most credible pillars of the moral international community.... no wonder you love them they can do no fucking wrong.
It kinda shows you have absolutly no idea what you are talking about .... how can you when living thousands of kilometers away .... ?
Never said or claimed that. They do a lot of things wrong.
Why would Russia have satellites operating over Georgia?
I don't know. For starters looking more compotent ?
You know, irony makes sense when you have a point ....
how exactly does it negate the fact they are massive hypocrites who are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in Chechnya just because those people wanted their independence ?
You are trying to argue with collateral damage that caused the death of a couple hundred people for which Georgia is prosecuting and punishing the people responsible ....
While supporting separatists who hail people as heros responsible for perpetrating mass murder on an ethnic group ....
.... and supporting a country that will basicaly nuke you to hell if you try to seperate from it.
Of course they did.... it was on CNN and the BBC...
Again, all of those cases can be read.
No wait a minute that was school children being murdered in Beslan by Chechen terrorists and Russian soldiers fighting them.
We Georgians also have to deal with Islamic terrorists. But we can differentiate between Islamic terrorists and the rest of an ethnic group.
You just throw them into the same basket. Figures I pressume. Since you also consider everyone a Nazi.
Of course... not just Russias fault but also Putins fault too.
Putin is kind of the President of Russia and the one who decides things .... at least I remember him to be.
*is our own as it always has been.
With your logic, Crimea and half of Russia does not belong to Russia.
We can at least claim more than a millenium and a half.
Might makes right.
Oh come the F on. Aren't you the least bit tired of that excuse ? lol
Grow a pair in the sense of being a man and not hiding behind the US or NATO
.... show a bit of respect to Russia and the two regions you want to take control of...
Right. Politics is so easy.
Why didn't I think of that or the Georgians for that matter ? damn !
Its not as if Russia was completly undermining any efforts of Georgia or anything .... frikkin smartass ....
What is "showing a bit of respect" ?
completly bending your knees and putting the ass up right ?
Russia has to respect us too.
Behind NATO skirts they will just see guns and not be interested.
Russia has not been forthcoming to Georgia whatsoever after it annexed us a couple centuries ago. So what in the hell do they expect ? "Understanding" for being asswipes ?
It doesn't matter how friendly and cuddly you try to make yourself now, they saw you hit the bitch and they don't think you are genuine in wanting to make up...
Russia is in no position to question anyone's genuinety.
It has violated every single point in the Six Point Agreement it signed
and its fence policy and troop boosting without any provocation whatsoever is a testiment to the fact they don't desire peace, but only conflict.That
is why they see reconsiliation and communication a threat, not because Georgia isn't trying. If anything, Russia isn't trying. Rather aggravating the situation continuesly since 2008.
Right. Maybe the entire world should have gone to war with Russia over Chechnyas independence. Would have been only fair.
Except nobody is trying to physicaly attack Russia and the US don't need to. They already assessed Russia has more than enough problems.
You are also confusing resentment and fear of Russian politics with resentment against the Russian populace.
Georgia has a grudge against Russia for what happened and vice versa. Its apparent in Russias actions.
Georgians however have no general grudge against Russians and vice versa, at least for the most part.
There is still more brotherhood and mutuality with them than with Americans and Europeans. However that won't be much longer the case if Russia keeps being antagonistic the way it is, to the point where it doesn't respect Georgia's base rights to exist as a stable and unified country. That's how it is.
People who are supporting that are nothing less but criminals and a threat to any country and also humanity. I realy have no understanding for that.