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    Post  medo Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:16 pm

    The Ottoman wrote:Only third states and weapon sellers are benefitting from these tenions, like France and US.

    Both parties should talk and solve this diplomaticly and give up their maximalist claims.

    Main problem is

    - that Turkey has the longest coast in the East Med, but get the most minimum share of the sea.

    - Greece claims 40.000 km'2 EEZ for a tiny island (Meis/Kastellorizo) with a square of 12km'2.

    - The distance of this island to Greece is 580 km. And to Turkey only 2km. Greece is claiming the whole distance in the sea (580 km long) between their mainland and this island as theirs.

    - Because of this a Turkish cruise ship could not travel between Antalya and Marmara without Greek naval police.

    - Its like the UK claiming the whole Atlantic Ocean because of the Falklands or USA claiming the whole Pacific because of Hawai.

    - The Turkish-Greek conflict is similar to the French-Brittish conflict years ago. The UK claimed the whole Channel because of some tiny Channel Island. France rejected this and brought the case to the International Court. The Court decided that the Channel Islands should not have a EEZ. France won this case.

    Talking solves everything.

    Agree. Maritime crisis between Turkey and Greece as well as between Turkey and Cyprus should be solved by negotiations between Turkey and Greece and Turkey and Cyprus with open cards and fair negotiations. EEZ is not the same as territorial waters. They are still international waters, where the state control the mariteine and air space traffic and protect natural resources. EEZ is limited to 200 miles and is toward open sea.

    Kastellorizo is suvereign territory of Greece, which also have its suvereign territorial waters around it. EEZ is also around suvereign islands, this play for states like Philipines, Indonesia, Malesia,etc, which suvereign territory represent group of islands. Turkey as well have the right for open exit to international waters. So it is for Turkey and Greece to negotiate their rights in the sea between the main group of Greek islands and Kastellorizo.

    I hope war drums will soon calm down and a meeting between FMs Dendias and Cavusoglu coult start negotiations.
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    Post  Aristide Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:12 am

    Well France pushed Turkey out of the area by sending war ships.

    Turkey needs to be culled down and it needs to be done fast. Erdogan is a mad islamo facist and only understands one language
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:21 pm

    Greece and Turkey been at odds since Trojan war times. It's nothing new.
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    Post  George1 Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:15 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Greece and Turkey been at odds since Trojan war late Byzantium times. It's nothing new.

    there were no turks on earth in Trojar war era

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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:22 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Greece and Turkey been at odds since Trojan war late Byzantium times. It's nothing new.

    there were no turks on earth in Trojar war era

    I mean geographically speaking, Greeks and Anatolians been at odds since Trojan war times about 1000 BC.
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    Post  Aristide Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:49 pm

    France send several war ships into the region including the aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle".

    What strikes me is, that Erdogan in a phone call threatened that french ships could get attacked. And Macron answered if the Charles de Gaulle gets attacked, that France would use a nuclear counter strike.

    It appears that was the point that Erdogan pulled his rotten rust bucket Oruc Reis from the scene.

    The Turks are always big with words but have nothing to present when you get serious.

    I think its time to push those asian hordes back into anatolia.

    France doesnt see Turkey as a partner anymore, its an enemy and should be treated as an enemy.

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    Post  Isos Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:40 pm

    Where did you saw that ? They never threaten each other like that.

    Erdogan has the support of the US and NATO has to close its eyes on him because of the black sea access.

    France has no more real influence in eastern mediteranean. They let the kurds get killed. Syria, Egypt don't like them. Israel neither. Lebanon is under Iran control. Jordania is part of US.
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    Post  Aristide Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:47 pm

    Isos wrote:Where did you saw that ? They never threaten each other like that.

    Erdogan has the support of the US and NATO has to close its eyes on him because of the black sea access.

    France has no more real influence in eastern mediteranean. They let the kurds get killed. Syria, Egypt don't like them. Israel neither. Lebanon is under Iran control. Jordania is part of US.

    Russian propaganda

    1. France is the main power in the mediterranean

    2. We dont need Turkey to have full black sea acess. Turkey is arab muslim shithole. Evryone can cross the bosporus if wanted, when the turk gets to bold, he needs a boot on his neck and he does as ordered

    3. Kurds a pawns. Egypt depends on us. Lebanon is our colony. Iran is a bancrupted, isolated muslim shithole. What control do they have? They cant even comtrol tjeir own country. The Ayatollah is busy to get luxury handbags for his wife in Paris. Its a deeply corrupted regime one can easily buy.
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    Post  Isos Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:50 pm

    True back in 1920 maybe.

    Not the case anymore.
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    Post  Aristide Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:03 am

    Isos wrote:True back in 1920 maybe.

    Not the case anymore.

    Sorry, but in France or west in General we back stuff up with facts.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200905-macrons-red-lines-against-turkey-reveals-frances-neo-napoleonic-mission/


    Arabs, Turks, Iranians (same shit, different name), need to be hold on a short leash. They are born servants and need steict and firm orders. If they dont get that, they run wild.

    Erdogan is a good example. As soon french warships turned up, he fucked off.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:37 am

    Aristide wrote:
    Isos wrote:Where did you saw that ? They never threaten each other like that.

    Erdogan has the support of the US and NATO has to close its eyes on him because of the black sea access.

    France has no more real influence in eastern mediteranean. They let the kurds get killed. Syria, Egypt don't like them. Israel neither. Lebanon is under Iran control. Jordania is part of US.

    Russian propaganda

    1. France is the main power in the mediterranean

    2. We dont need Turkey to have full black sea acess. Turkey is arab muslim shithole. Evryone can cross the bosporus if wanted, when the turk gets to bold, he needs a boot on his neck and he does as ordered

    3. Kurds a pawns. Egypt depends on us. Lebanon is our colony. Iran is a bancrupted, isolated muslim shithole. What control do they have? They cant even comtrol tjeir own country. The Ayatollah is busy to get luxury handbags for his wife in Paris. Its a deeply corrupted regime one can easily buy.

    1. That is subjective really.

    2. Long as they obey the convention yes they can.

    3. Macron never threatened Turkey with the use of Nukes.

    4. I have not heard at all in the military about Erodo making threats against the french carrier. Not that I doubt he is mad enough to do it.

    5. Kurds are pawns yes but not your pawns, they are our pawns. Lebanon isn't a french colony and if for giggles even it was, your letting Isreal screw with your "colony" daily. In what sense does Eygpt depend on you?.
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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:31 am

    Erdogan is a good example. As soon french warships turned up, he fucked off.

    Last time I checked French couldn't even investigate a civilian ship there and turkish exploration shipps were still busy digging off Cyprus untouched.

    France doesn't have the capacity to fight Turkey near its shores. They could wipe out any french frigate there and France can't loose more than 2 ships against such country. Not enough ships then to protect french EEZ which is huge.

    It might be the main power but that doesn't mean it would win in a fight near Turkey. With Greece help maybe but alone no.

    Arabs, Turks, Iranians (same shit, different name), need to be hold on a short leash. They are born servants and need steict and firm orders. If they dont get that, they run wild.

    Outside of defenceless countries like Mali, France needs US back up for anything else. No real military strenght to fight a big army.
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    Post  Aristide Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:11 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Aristide wrote:
    Isos wrote:Where did you saw that ? They never threaten each other like that.

    Erdogan has the support of the US and NATO has to close its eyes on him because of the black sea access.

    France has no more real influence in eastern mediteranean. They let the kurds get killed. Syria, Egypt don't like them. Israel neither. Lebanon is under Iran control. Jordania is part of US.

    Russian propaganda

    1. France is the main power in the mediterranean

    2. We dont need Turkey to have full black sea acess. Turkey is arab muslim shithole. Evryone can cross the bosporus if wanted, when the turk gets to bold, he needs a boot on his neck and he does as ordered

    3. Kurds a pawns. Egypt depends on us. Lebanon is our colony. Iran is a bancrupted, isolated muslim shithole. What control do they have? They cant even comtrol tjeir own country. The Ayatollah is busy to get luxury handbags for his wife in Paris. Its a deeply corrupted regime one can easily buy.

    1. That is subjective really.

    2. Long as they obey the convention yes they can.

    3. Macron never threatened Turkey with the use of Nukes.

    4. I have not heard at all in the military about Erodo making threats against the french carrier. Not that I doubt he is mad enough to do it.

    5. Kurds are pawns yes but not your pawns, they are our pawns. Lebanon isn't a french colony and if for giggles even it was, your letting Isreal screw with your "colony" daily. In what sense does Eygpt depend on you?.

    We brought al Sisi into power. Egypt depends on our money, weapons and support. When we say "jump", egypt asks how high.

    As for kurds, they are evryones pawns
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    Post  Aristide Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:13 am

    Isos wrote:
    Erdogan is a good example. As soon french warships turned up, he fucked off.

    Last time I checked French couldn't even investigate a civilian ship there and turkish exploration shipps were still busy digging off Cyprus untouched.

    France doesn't have the capacity to fight Turkey near its shores. They could wipe out any french frigate there and France can't loose more than 2 ships against such country. Not enough ships then to protect french EEZ which is huge.

    It might be the main power but that doesn't mean it would win in a fight near Turkey. With Greece help maybe but alone no.

    Arabs, Turks, Iranians (same shit, different name), need to be hold on a short leash. They are born servants and need steict and firm orders. If they dont get that, they run wild.

    Outside of defenceless countries like Mali, France needs US back up for anything else. No real military strenght to fight a big army.

    Of course we would win a war against Turkey. What fight do you think would start when we nuke Istanbul? The Turks cant fight. When you start a show of force, they always run.

    Beside that, you dont need a big army to kill off muslim regimes.
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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:17 am

    Turkey can get nuks from Pakistan quickly if France threaten to use nuks.

    Stop talking BS.
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    Post  Aristide Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:07 pm

    Isos wrote:Turkey can get nuks from Pakistan quickly if France threaten to use nuks.

    Stop talking BS.

    Turkey can get nothing. Have you ever been there?

    Stop to take muslim shitholes serious.

    Pakistan nukes are under US controle. You dont think the world lets those goat herders decide over such weapons. And if a shithole like Pakistan just looks in a funny way towards the civilized world, they get nuked too.

    Erdogan is like Hitler. And like Hitler such behavior must be crushed early on. Chamberlain did not work well. Appeasement never can be an option.
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    Post  par far Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:55 am

    Aristide wrote:
    Isos wrote:Turkey can get nuks from Pakistan quickly if France threaten to use nuks.

    Stop talking BS.

    Turkey can get nothing. Have you ever been there?

    Stop to take muslim shitholes serious.

    Pakistan nukes are under US controle. You dont think the world lets those goat herders decide over such weapons. And if a shithole like Pakistan just looks in a funny way towards the civilized world, they get nuked too.

    Erdogan is like Hitler. And like Hitler such behavior must be crushed early on. Chamberlain did not work well. Appeasement never can be an option.


    What civilized world are you talking about? The civilized that destroyed the Middle East so they could steal their oil? The civilized that starts wars so they can steal other countries resources?

    The US does not control shit, they cannot even control their own country.

    The Muslim shitholes are doing a great job of turning European countries(especially piece of shit France) into shitholes.
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    Post  Airman Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:53 pm

    Aristide wrote:

    Of course we would win a war against Turkey. What fight do you think would start when we nuke Istanbul? The Turks cant fight. When you start a show of force, they always run.

    Beside that, you dont need a big army to kill off muslim regimes.

    When we fought against France, which is 100 years ago, you were the ones who ran away, not us.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:45 pm

    Airman wrote:
    Aristide wrote:

    Of course we would win a war against Turkey. What fight do you think would start when we nuke Istanbul? The Turks cant fight. When you start a show of force, they always run.

    Beside that, you dont need a big army to kill off muslim regimes.

    When we fought against France, which is 100 years ago, you were the ones who ran away, not us.

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    everybody can win against france (unless they have a Corsican born Italian (Napoleone's father was tuscanian and his mother was a corsican born genovese who never learned french) leading them)


    And i believe pious Christian virgin maidens are not anymore available either
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    Post  par far Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:46 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    Airman wrote:
    Aristide wrote:

    Of course we would win a war against Turkey. What fight do you think would start when we nuke Istanbul? The Turks cant fight. When you start a show of force, they always run.

    Beside that, you dont need a big army to kill off muslim regimes.

    When we fought against France, which is 100 years ago, you were the ones who ran away, not us.

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    everybody can win against france (unless they have a Corsican born Italian (Napoleone's father was tuscanian and his mother was a corsican born genovese who never learned french) leading them)


    And i believe pious Christian virgin maidens are not anymore available either


    France got spanked a lot by Turkey, I never knew that France lost so much land to Turkey.
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    Post  ahmedfire Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:49 pm

    We brought al Sisi into power. Egypt depends on our money, weapons and support. When we say "jump", egypt asks how high.

    hard to say that , Sisi came in power as a result of the failure of Muslim brotherhood and Egypt got weapons from many sources .

    Egypt doesn't want a push to be against Turkey because Egypt already is in a conflict by somehow with turkey since 2013 when Turkey hosted MB and open TV channels for them and they encourage people to attack the police and army centers .

    But you are right regarding the Turks ,they have high voices and they will go to the edge of the abyss trying to make you surrender ,but once they see you stand up ,they will step back .
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    Post  par far Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:50 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Erdogan is a good example. As soon french warships turned up, he fucked off.

    Last time I checked French couldn't even investigate a civilian ship there and turkish exploration shipps were still busy digging off Cyprus untouched.

    France doesn't have the capacity to fight Turkey near its shores. They could wipe out any french frigate there and France can't loose more than 2 ships against such country. Not enough ships then to protect french EEZ which is huge.

    It might be the main power but that doesn't mean it would win in a fight near Turkey. With Greece help maybe but alone no.

    Arabs, Turks, Iranians (same shit, different name), need to be hold on a short leash. They are born servants and need steict and firm orders. If they dont get that, they run wild.

    Outside of defenceless countries like Mali, France needs US back up for anything else. No real military strenght to fight a big army.

    Of course we would win a war against Turkey. What fight do you think would start when we nuke Istanbul? The Turks cant fight. When you start a show of force, they always run.

    Beside that, you dont need a big army to kill off muslim regimes.




    The Muslim population overthrowing the French government.
    France is done, in 10-15 years you can call France "Franceistan".
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    Post  ahmedfire Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:12 pm

    Egyptian-Greek Summit ,discussing the tensions in east Med .

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    Post  ahmedfire Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:34 pm

    Bad news for Turkey .

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    Post  par far Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:24 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:Bad news for Turkey .

    Greece-Egypt deal on Exclusive Economic Zone posted by the UN

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    These agreements don't mean shit if you cannot back it militarily, the big question is, how will Greece and Egypt respond, when Turkish navy comes into that zone.


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