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    Post  VARGR198 on Wed May 20, 2020 11:53 pm

    Donbass forces mobilising

    Donbass  forceson high alert

    Constructive dialogue has not find its place in the negotiation process under Ukraine’s current president — Denis Pushilin

    Kiev is not making any attempts to end the conflict in Donbass, continuing to use heavy weapons — DPR parliamentarian

    Lugansk military on High alert, and reserves mobilised
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:59 pm

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:40 am

    “Kiev refuses Minsk obligations”: Gryzlov commented on the words of the representative of Ukraine
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:39 pm

    MINSK – At the last meeting of the Tripartite Contact Group in Minsk (TKG) on June 15th, (the body which led to creation of the Normandy Four and the Minsk Agreement), Kiev arrived at a surprising position which effectively eliminates a path to regain control over the Donbass. Kiev’s change of position leaves only a military option open.

    The Minsk Agreement contained a number of requirements from both sides; from Kiev it required a change in the constitution in the direction of a federal state. Such changes would trigger on the Donbass side the eventual hand-over of rule back to Kiev. But Kiev to date has failed to make constitutional changes, contrary to the terms of the Minsk Agreement.

    On The Ukrainian delegation at the talks of the Tripartite Contact Group in Minsk (TKG) predictably stated the need for the full resumption of Ukrainian rule over the territory of the DPR and LPR. With this, Kiev insisted on the resumption of work of Ukrainian state institutions in these territories, as well as tax and settlement systems “within the framework of the Ukrainian legal field”.

    According to the office of the President of Ukraine, such demands were put forward during the next meeting of the group, held on June 15. Obviously, these requirements are clearly contrary to the package of measures to implement the Minsk agreements, approved by the UN Security Council. Aware of this fact, the Ukrainian side stated the optionality of its implementation.

    This information was confirmed in Donetsk. The corresponding statement was made at the briefing on the evening of the same day by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DPR Natalia Nikonorova .

    “The Ukrainian representatives expressed the view that the package of measures approved by the UN Security Council resolution is supposedly not a binding document – an extremely strange statement against the backdrop of five years, during which the entire world community confirmed the non-alternativeness of the Minsk agreements. At the meeting of the Contact Group, we heard such statements from the Kiev delegates for the first time, ” DAN agency quoted her as saying.

    She also added that Kiev at today’s meeting proposed its Rules of work for Contact and specialized groups. And in it, the representatives of the LPR are not indicated at all as a party to the conflict and participants in the negotiations.

    “This approach is fundamentally contrary to the Minsk process, which is designed to establish a dialogue between Kiev and the Donbass as two parties to the conflict. Representatives of Ukraine over and over again voiced contradicting both the documents of the Minsk package and common sense theses, ”the minister emphasized.

    Having embarked on a frank torpedoing of the Minsk negotiation process, the Ukrainian side declares full support from the OSCE, and complains that Russia opposes this.

    According to Ukrainian media, the representative of Russia Boris Gryzlov drew attention only to the words of one of the members of the Ukrainian delegation, MP Aleksandr Merezhko , who stated that “the Minsk agreement is not obligatory for Ukraine.” And the Russian side refused to discuss other “much more important issues”.

    Previously the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmitry Kuleba said that in the negotiations on the Donbas,s Ukraine focuses on “offensive diplomacy” and will seek to impose “its agenda” on Russia.

    Kiev’s surprising declaration situates it not only in opposition to the UN Security Council resolution which it signed on to, but also eliminates a mechanism by which it can regain control over the breakaway republics of Lugansk and Donetsk.

    While monumental, it appears that Kiev is using the language of “offensive diplomacy”, a ‘make no compromise’ approach to the question of the Donbass, while in reality recognizing that it lacks either the internal political coherence, the geopolitical alliances, or the military fortitude to regain the lost regions.


    https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/06/major-ukraine-declares-minsk-agreement-non-binding-effectively-ceding-donbass/

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:18 am

    The descent to madness continues...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:11 pm

    If they continue like that, sooner or later they will restart the war as it was in 2014/2015 ( I know that shelling has continued to happen and also some skirmishes, but nothing at that level).

    However, in case of restart of the hostilities, I doubt that the novorussians will stop before reconquering at least all the territories of Donetsk and Lugansk Oblasts now in Ukrainian hands...
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:14 am

    However, in case of restart of the hostilities, I doubt that the novorussians will stop before reconquering at least all the territories of Donetsk and Lugansk Oblasts now in Ukrainian hands...

    It is funny isn't it... it is like US actions in Libya and Syria and Afghanistan and Iraq have massively improved the influence of Russia and Iran in the region... US actions in Kosovo led to Russia no longer keeping South Ossetia and Abkhazia in isolation which of course led to the Georgian conflict there, and of course US interference in the Ukraine led directly to the Crimea getting the independence they wanted and to rejoin the Russian federation again.

    On the face of it some very bad things have worked out rather well, but of course the number of people killed and who are suffering is terrible... If given the choice I would prefer Libya still had Gaddaffi and Syria and Iraq had been left alone... for Afghanistan... the US spent hundreds of billions of dollars and the Saudis likely billions more funding weapons and death and it shows...

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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:04 pm

    If this happens how long before one gets lost, sorry sold and ends up in Russia. Two edged sword as will probably increase 'army surplus' ATGM gifts by the Russians.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:55 pm

    The units will be heavily observed.

    In the meantime, DNR and LNR forces will indeed get more ATGMS and possibly other systems to help combat these guys (snipers).
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:52 am

    Hi everyone, haven't been around here for to long...private stuff on going.

    Can someone briefly tell me how the situation in Ukraine looks like around Charkow/Charkiw?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:29 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Hi everyone, haven't been around here for to long...private stuff on going.

    Can someone briefly tell me how the situation in Ukraine looks like around Charkow/Charkiw?

    Basically the comedian president of Ukraine says it's impossible to follow any of the Minsk Agreement ceasefire stipulations, so it's widely assumed that we're closer than we've ever been (since the Debaltsevo Cauldron) to a full resumption of hostilities. But the real question is when? It would make since for the Ukronies to start the war before late fall/winter.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:07 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Hi everyone, haven't been around here for to long...private stuff on going.

    Can someone briefly tell me how the situation in Ukraine looks like around Charkow/Charkiw?

    Basically the comedian president of Ukraine says it's impossible to follow any of the Minsk Agreement ceasefire stipulations, so it's widely assumed that we're closer than we've ever been (since the Debaltsevo Cauldron) to a full resumption of hostilities. But the real question is when? It would make since for the Ukronies to start the war before late fall/winter.

    The shit show continues...

    Frustrating how this country is being used and abused as and people seem not to be willing to make rational decisions.
    Trying to chase dreams didn't help them in the first place but made a nightmare out of an already struggling country going down on all four and losing the pants on they way aswell.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:23 pm

    The fundamental problem is that TPTB in Ukaine never lost the Soviet mindset on how to run the country. The other similar ex Soviet countries that are now in the EU had a very rude awakening and had to rapidly change.

    So they are near the top of the list of corrupt countries. Add to that their strategic position leading to the US and to an extend their vassal the EU in 2014/5 pumping petrol onto the west versus east split and you get to where we are now. Not forgetting the politicians in the US, desperate to poke Russia at every opportunity, encouraging the right wing thugs (many with relatives in Canada) and supplying free weapons. Whilst Russia seems to be continuing to help behind the scenes whenever needed.

    The current situation is a bit like a quiet stretch of the Western Front in WW1, fixed position warfare with occasional artillery barrages and limited probing attacks. Draining in every way you can think of on both sides.

    Basically not much changed since you were last here apart from different names at the top, Ukraine in more debt and more lives wasted. Sad.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:27 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Hi everyone, haven't been around here for to long...private stuff on going.

    Can someone briefly tell me how the situation in Ukraine looks like around Charkow/Charkiw?

    Basically the comedian president of Ukraine says it's impossible to follow any of the Minsk Agreement ceasefire stipulations, so it's widely assumed that we're closer than we've ever been (since the Debaltsevo Cauldron) to a full resumption of hostilities. But the real question is when? It would make since for the Ukronies to start the war before late fall/winter.

    The shit show continues...

    Frustrating how this country is being used and abused as and people seem not to be willing to make rational decisions.
    Trying to chase dreams didn't help them in the first place but made a nightmare out of an already struggling country going down on all four and losing the pants on they way aswell.

    The heavy-industrial engineering legacy the USSR left for Ukraine should of guaranteed that they would've had a prosperous future, but the human pile of trash and horse dung known as Kravchuk and company chopped off Ukraine's genitalia to prove their manliness against Russia. Ukraine went from building aircraft carriers and strategic transport aircraft, to struggling to maintain light boats and planes. Ukraine went from being the bread-basket of Eastern Europe, to being the leader of women willing to give surrogate births (opening their legs) in Europe. Once Ukraine is completely disintegrated, it'll eventually return to Russia in the form of micro-oblasts, but that won't happen until 10-15 years from now.

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    Post  VARGR198 on Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:52 pm

    I think the collapse of Ukraine is pretty much inevitable at some point.

    Ukrainian T64/T55 hybrid.
    Can anyone make sense of why Ukraine would stick a T55 turret on a T64 hull?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:10 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:I think the collapse of Ukraine is pretty much inevitable at some point.

    Ukrainian T64/T55 hybrid.
    Can anyone make sense of why Ukraine would stick a T55 turret on a T64 hull?

    They probably replaced a T-64 turret which was in bad shape, but in all likelihood I don't know what will compromise the armor structure integrity more, the turret placed on a hull it was never meant to be on, or the potential BTR-4 style welding it probably received.Wink Embarassed

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    Post  kvs on Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:16 pm

    They are intellectually bankrupt. These Russia hating clowns can't even copy a simple mortar from the Soviet period.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:55 am

    Can anyone make sense of why Ukraine would stick a T55 turret on a T64 hull?

    It adds an extra crewman.... the loader.... and it drops the calibre down to a level where it wont penetrate the sort of tanks it is likely to encounter on the battlefield... so I am guessing they don't have any spare T-64 or newer tank turrets... they are likely going to foreign orders for tanks and so all they have left over is the obsolete stuff any other european country would have scrapped... except possibly Albania.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:37 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Can anyone make sense of why Ukraine would stick a T55 turret on a T64 hull?

    It adds an extra crewman.... the loader.... and it drops the calibre down to a level where it wont penetrate the sort of tanks it is likely to encounter on the battlefield... so I am guessing they don't have any spare T-64 or newer tank turrets... they are likely going to foreign orders for tanks and so all they have left over is the obsolete stuff any other european country would have scrapped... except possibly Albania.

    And welcome back Werewolf ... and kvs    Smile

    Thanks.

    The story that is not being detailed is the total collapse of tank production in Ukraine. Kharkov was one of the central manufacturing nodes for tanks before the
    collapse of the USSR. They managed to lose all of this capability since they clearly cannot use it any longer. Another aspect of this story is the real state
    of popular support for the Kiev regime. It appears to me that the workers at the Kharkov military production plants voted with their feet. This left the
    Kiev regime without the skilled workers to operate these facilities. The Kiev regime is living on borrowed time.

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    Post  Regular on Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:55 am

    I think Kiev regime could outlive EU and US thanks to how stupid and demoralised Ukrainian majority is.

    No matter how they praise maidan they are shitless scared to have another go at it.
    Some of them still believe in so called progress.
    Oligarchs control power structures and media and have monopoly in narrative.
    US lobby is still "guiding" Ukraine. If shit gets bad, they will just replace president to other jewish guy.
    They started to fight corruption to please crowds by sacrificing their own, like Poroshenko. Nothing will happen to him and sacrifice will be just political. People think something is done even if they have no money and no future.
    Ukrainians can't revolt because they are afraid of Russia that they would stand behind some greedy oligarch.
    Ukrainians are highly retarded too, unlike pragmatic Russians, they are very emotional and regime is using it to strengthen their power.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:58 pm

    The war may restart in October:

    Lugansk presented an ultimatum to Ukraine
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:18 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The war may restart in October:

    Lugansk presented an ultimatum to Ukraine

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    Kiev must either start implementing the Minsk agreements or abandon them. This opinion was expressed by the representative of the Luhansk people's Republic in the humanitarian subgroup of the Trilateral contact group in Minsk, Olga Kobtseva.


    This is reported by the Luhansk network publication luga1news.

    Kobtseva also said that Luhansk presented an ultimatum to the Ukrainian side at the last talks in Minsk. Lugansk has demanded Kiev to the beginning of the local elections in Ukraine in October this year, undecided whether he is going to follow the path of peaceful settlement or announce his withdrawal from the Minsk agreements:

    In the Minsk negotiation process, we brought the Ukrainian representatives that before the election they took a step either step of a peace settlement, or announce that out of the Minsk agreements.

    Kiev needs to confirm this choice with an appropriate political decision. If Kiev withdraws from the Minsk agreements, the Minsk agreements themselves will cease to exist.

    Kobtseva also recalled that from the first day of its existence, the Luhansk people's Republic protects its interests, freedom and independence.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:27 pm

    Ukrainians can't revolt because they are afraid of Russia that they would stand behind some greedy oligarch.
    Ukrainians are highly retarded too, unlike pragmatic Russians, they are very emotional and regime is using it to strengthen their power.

    The thing is that this is probably the best thing for Russia... a leech too stupid to admit it needs blood to survive.. but countries don't die in the same sense people do... the future of the Ukraine is to suffer for the leadership they choose... if you don't understand how they can be so stupid ask someone from the UK or US or Australia or New Zealand or Canada about their two party systems... people really don't learn...

    And for Russia it is a good thing because the alternative would be a smart Ukraine that learned its mistakes and starts sucking up to Russia again to get their muzzles around a big nipple to get that warm nutrient rich milk to build them back up to strength while being an enormous burden on its "mother"...

    The autonomous regions are like the kids being used as weapons in the divorce... neither parent seems to care... they just want the upkeep payments they would be owed if they had the kids.

    Whoever gets custody will have to spend money to fix them up... they need clothes and medical assistance and probably psychiatric help for a few decades to come... the Ukraine can afford that but she wants the kids anyway to spite Russia... the problem is that they are not Russias kids and Russia has already said they are Ukrainian... having said that the Ukraine lost custody of the Crimea... an adopted kid they abused, and given a choice they went to live with Russia and seem rather better off.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:26 pm

    Last texts and video footage from the phone of Estonian mercenary (Mikola Ilin) liquidated by DPR forces during the Zaitsevo incident.

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    https://twitter.com/gunner_schmulke/status/1284594090588409857

    Also his ID:

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    https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1283868159737384960

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    Post  VARGR198 on Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:34 pm

    The DPR online twitter account also pointed out that this "Medic" who's headcam is shown, was holding an assault rifle when killed.

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