Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


+61
lancelot
Podlodka77
GreyHog
Finty
slasher
lyle6
Backman
Hole
walle83
owais.usmani
Cyberspec
mnztr
marcellogo
The-thing-next-door
Rodion_Romanovic
Tsavo Lion
kvs
LMFS
Singular_Transform
hoom
SeigSoloyvov
Big_Gazza
d_taddei2
Odin of Ossetia
Teshub
Godric
ATLASCUB
nomadski
PapaDragon
OminousSpudd
KiloGolf
VladimirSahin
Isos
sepheronx
JohninMK
max steel
Werewolf
AlfaT8
Book.
Mike E
KoTeMoRe
AirCargo
F-15E
magnumcromagnon
Vann7
Hannibal Barca
Hachimoto
Flyingdutchman
andalusia
nemrod
GarryB
War&Peace
NickM
Mindstorm
TR1
Sujoy
Viktor
George1
Admin
oleg nik
Russian Patriot
65 posters

    US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11301
    Points : 11271
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Isos Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:33 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:I expect some of them to be transferred to other friendly navies or even to the USCG, as happened with other ships many times before.

    Too expensive for other navies and they are rusty as hell.
    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5815
    Points : 5771
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:54 pm

    Many still have at least 15-20 years life left, so could be refurbished/modernised/modified for le$$ than building new DD/CGs- I'm sure they could be useful to some NATO members, Australia, NZ, Chile, India, & Japan.
    The latter plans to build big ships for BMD & these CGs could be a stop gap.
    Interesting story, & it's not over yet:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/americas-transition-to-a-banana-republic-is-complete-fat-leonard-escapes


    Last edited by Tsavo Lion on Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:02 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : add text, link)
    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 38970
    Points : 39466
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:16 am

    Actually I would think if the UK had any brains they would buy some to operate with their new carriers, because 6 new destroyers are not enough to form a decent escort for two carriers.

    Sadly the UK does not have brains though while the upgrade and clean up costs would be less than a brand new cruiser it will still likely be rather more than the British are prepared to spend on their Navy.

    The operational costs alone would likely be too high for most US allies... there is a reason most countries don't have cruisers.
    avatar
    andalusia


    Posts : 728
    Points : 790
    Join date : 2013-10-01

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  andalusia Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:36 am

    GarryB wrote:Actually I would think if the UK had any brains they would buy some to operate with their new carriers, because 6 new destroyers are not enough to form a decent escort for two carriers.

    Sadly the UK does not have brains though while the upgrade and clean up costs would be less than a brand new cruiser it will still likely be rather more than the British are prepared to spend on their Navy.

    The operational costs alone would likely be too high for most US allies... there is a reason most countries don't have cruisers.


    US cruisers are probably expensive to operate but what about Russian cruisers? Are they cheaper to operate compared to western cruisers like US, UK, France and Germany?

    Ukraine has an old Russian cruiser Admiral Flota Lobov.  Is it worth a country buying and would it have low operational cost?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_cruiser_Ukraina
    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 38970
    Points : 39466
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:59 am

    US cruisers are probably expensive to operate but what about Russian cruisers? Are they cheaper to operate compared to western cruisers like US, UK, France and Germany?

    Cruisers and carriers make sense for Russia because the west is not going to give them a free lunch... Russia needs to directly access the various countries in the rest of the world, and no by sending products to the EU to have it shipped to the rest of the world like they have been doing.

    Russia needs to assure its own access to the world via the sea, which means a bigger navy and a bigger commercial fleet of cargo and oil tanker and gas carriers.

    Note it doesn't need to simultaneously control the worlds oceans like the US tries to... they don't need seven fleets to operate everywhere all at once... in fact some of it will just be a dozen naval infantry on civilian ships to prevent Piracy from actual pirates but also country endorsed pirates like the US and UK and French navies too.

    Ukraine has an old Russian cruiser Admiral Flota Lobov. Is it worth a country buying and would it have low operational cost?

    Most countries would probably struggle to operate it with the Ukraine in the state it is in as the Ukraine can't make half the weapons and ammo it requires now, so it would have to be sourced from Russia.

    The UK buying an old US cruiser is different in the sense that they can buy all the ammo and weapons they need from the US too.

    More importantly they could buy several so rather than just one white elephant, they could buy a useful force... perhaps even adapt it to their own weapons too.
    Hole
    Hole


    Posts : 10712
    Points : 10690
    Join date : 2018-03-24
    Age : 47
    Location : Scholzistan

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Hole Tue May 23, 2023 12:19 pm

    Look at the mighty destroyer of the self-declared sole hyperpower of the Galaxy:
    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Fwws9i10
    Leaving Toulon, France

    It seems all the white paint was donated to "Ukraine". lol1

    GarryB, ahmedfire, AlfaT8, zardof, lancelot, Broski, Belisarius and Podlodka77 like this post

    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11301
    Points : 11271
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Isos Tue May 23, 2023 1:21 pm

    That's stealth paint... you can't understand.
    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 38970
    Points : 39466
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  GarryB Wed May 24, 2023 3:34 am

    You are joking of course but wouldn't it be funny if the paint they are supposed to use does have stealth in the label which makes it 100 times more expensive than the normal paint everyone else would use so they don't have enough.

    Or even more amusing would be if the company that supplies the paint gets it made in China and their factory in China is now under sanction and they can't get it from anywhere else.

    Or perhaps they are thinking... it is only France and we have not paid for photos to be taken so who cares what it looks like as long as it is pretty when it arrives home.

    Belisarius likes this post

    avatar
    ALAMO


    Posts : 6693
    Points : 6783
    Join date : 2014-11-25

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  ALAMO Wed May 24, 2023 8:48 am

    It is cloaking device, you stupidos!!
    They are going warp 6!

    Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Hole and Belisarius like this post

    Podlodka77
    Podlodka77


    Posts : 2589
    Points : 2591
    Join date : 2022-01-06
    Location : Z

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Podlodka77 Wed May 24, 2023 9:46 am

    The projected service life for the Arleigh Burke destroyers is 35 years, which means that the first in the class should be decommissioned in 2026.
    Twenty-one destroyers of the Flight 1 subvariant and seven Flight II destroyers do not have a hangar to accommodate two helicopters and have 90 missile cells.
    From the destroyer Oscar Austin (Flight IIA), which has been active since 2000, the ships have a hangar for two helicopters and 96 cells, as well as a 900-ton larger displacement.

    It is precisely these ships (with SSN submarines) that are the strike force of the US Navy and in the last few decades they have carried out strikes with cruise missiles before aircraft carriers.


    Mir
    Mir


    Posts : 3127
    Points : 3129
    Join date : 2021-06-10

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Mir Wed May 24, 2023 8:43 pm

    This one was renamed "Fishy" - wonder why? pwnd

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Burke-10

    GarryB and Hole like this post

    TMA1
    TMA1


    Posts : 1125
    Points : 1123
    Join date : 2020-11-30

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  TMA1 Thu May 25, 2023 10:09 am

    Makes me sad. Our navy was great once. Still is very powerful but look at it. Even for a vessel returning it looks bad. Is it true that we outsource this kind of cleanup now?
    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11301
    Points : 11271
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Isos Thu May 25, 2023 10:22 am

    Well frankly speaking it proves nothing. Any ship will such hull after spending lot of time at sea.

    Actually it proves it was deployed.

    GarryB likes this post

    Podlodka77
    Podlodka77


    Posts : 2589
    Points : 2591
    Join date : 2022-01-06
    Location : Z

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Podlodka77 Thu May 25, 2023 11:55 am

    The Frenchman is right because surface corrosion means nothing, however....
    The fact IS that the Arleigh Burke was designed quite a long time ago and approval for the construction of the first Arleigh Burke ship was signed in April 1985.

    The problem is not the Alriegh Burke class, but the problem is that even in the USA they are not moving forward in terms of innovation and the introduction of fundamentally new classes of ships.
    * The construction of Virginia submarines is not going at the desired speed, but it is certainly the SSGN class of submarines with the largest number of units built and the fastest construction speed.
    * Cruisers ; there is no successor to the Ticonderoga cruisers.
    * Destroyers; another in a series of evolutions of the Arleigh Burke class, while a fundamentally new destroyer is planned through the DDG(X) project.
    * Frigates; will be built in Italy and the USA according to the project of the French-Italian FREMM class.
    lyle6
    lyle6


    Posts : 2182
    Points : 2176
    Join date : 2020-09-14
    Location : Philippines

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  lyle6 Thu May 25, 2023 2:15 pm

    It shouldn't be too hard to have the crew paint in between rounds of buttfucking but apparently that's too much. Razz
    Mir
    Mir


    Posts : 3127
    Points : 3129
    Join date : 2021-06-10

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Mir Thu May 25, 2023 2:27 pm

    Well frankly speaking it proves nothing. Any ship will such hull after spending lot of time at sea. Actually it proves it was deployed.

    True it does show that the ship is actually deployed but still there is a problem. Not so long ago Russian Navy ships were criticized for this exact issue.
    The US Navy is huge and it is becoming extremely expensive to maintain these boats at the required cycles. US ships suffer from regular propulsion issues  as well as in electrical and aviation systems due to insufficient maintenance cycles. The Russian Navy is much smaller but during the 90's they had virtually no money for anything - let alone maintenance.

    GarryB, Broski and Podlodka77 like this post

    Podlodka77
    Podlodka77


    Posts : 2589
    Points : 2591
    Join date : 2022-01-06
    Location : Z

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Podlodka77 Thu May 25, 2023 4:46 pm

    American military power is declining and there is no dispute about that.
    For example, only from 1974 to the end of 1984, 29 Los Angeles submarines entered active service, that is, in 10 years.

    From 2004 until now, 21 Virginia-class submarines have been built and are in active service.
    The US simply no longer has the strength to simultaneously build a large number of frigates, destroyers, cruisers and SSGN submarines. And the construction of America-class LHA ships is going pretty badly.
    George1
    George1


    Posts : 18313
    Points : 18810
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  George1 Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:50 pm

    US Navy Commissions First Flight III Destroyer USS Jack H Lucas

    avatar
    Arrow


    Posts : 2716
    Points : 2708
    Join date : 2012-02-12

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Arrow Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:00 am

    American missile defense, often ridiculed here, has worked very well.





    Hole
    Hole


    Posts : 10712
    Points : 10690
    Join date : 2018-03-24
    Age : 47
    Location : Scholzistan

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Hole Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:33 pm

    Sure. I shot down 3 satellites last night with my catapult.

    GarryB and lancelot like this post

    avatar
    ALAMO


    Posts : 6693
    Points : 6783
    Join date : 2014-11-25

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:42 pm

    Wasn't that a jar with pickles and an empty bottle of Paulaner?
    Hole
    Hole


    Posts : 10712
    Points : 10690
    Join date : 2018-03-24
    Age : 47
    Location : Scholzistan

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Hole Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:31 pm

    Paulaner. lol1
    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 -1550910
    avatar
    ALAMO


    Posts : 6693
    Points : 6783
    Join date : 2014-11-25

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:42 pm

    High grade. Approved! 🤣
    Hole
    Hole


    Posts : 10712
    Points : 10690
    Join date : 2018-03-24
    Age : 47
    Location : Scholzistan

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Hole Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:52 pm

    But seriously...
    Missiles flying towards Israel from western parts of Yemen would pass Saudi-Arabia and not the Red Sea.
    And the Muricans claim they shot down missiles over the Red Sea, not from the Red Sea, which would make some sense.
    So the whole story looks like propaganda BS.

    GarryB, The-thing-next-door and Broski like this post

    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 38970
    Points : 39466
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  GarryB Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:54 am

    Shooting down cruise missiles and simple ballistic rockets is easy... the Soviets were doing that with standard SAMs in the 1980s... the 1990s was a shock for the US when they found their premier Patriot system was ineffective against both ballistic and low flying cruise missile threats.

    Sponsored content


    US Navy ships and weapon systems - Page 21 Empty Re: US Navy ships and weapon systems

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:29 am