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    US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:36 pm

    The 2 RN CVs must be also counted as part of USN, for all intents & purposes; USMC F-35Bs recently deployed on it.
    A forward deployed CVN in Japan is worth 2-3 CVNs on US W. Coast; 1 more homeported in Australia or Hawaii will ad 2-3 more.
    Not counting the Ford CVN that may not be fully combat capable, 10 CVNs with 2 forward deployed+2RN CVs will be=14-16 CV/Ns.


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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:38 pm

    GarryB wrote:Reducing performance down to F-35 severely weakened them, but going for smaller ships will make things much much worse.... they will become much easier to take on and defeat even by smaller nations now...

    Not really, it will make them far more efficient in controlling the oceans and far more resilient to damage, fewer fat targets which means smaller nations will be even more outclassed than now

    Their ability to carry out land invasions is only thing that will suffer



    GarryB wrote:If large numbers of smaller ships was really the solution then the US would fear the Iranian navy much more than it currently does...

    Iranian ships are dogshit so nothing would change from them anyway

    However this will give ships like Karakurts a whole new purpose, good news for Russian surface fleet

    China however will be in addition problems


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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:44 am

    Four 100K carriers are harder to sink that 12 x 30K ton pipsqueak carriers...

    The level of aircraft performance defending a Nimitz class is not comparable to the level of aircraft performance defending the Hermes helicopter carrier...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:52 am

    It'll depend on what enemy threat they'll deal with. An LHA size CVs + their escorts only won't be sent against NK, PRC or Iran.
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    Post  Hole Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:26 am

    I bet the same experts will glorify Bidets plan for the navy, which will be the same as Trumps. Because in reality it is the plan of the MIC.

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    Post  LMFS Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:57 pm

    Funny Americans:

    The United States is ready to replace some of the nuclear aircraft carriers with lighter analogues

    The US Navy is ready to replace part of the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier (CVN) with lighter counterparts (CVL). These will be smaller, conventional-fueled aircraft carriers.

    Forbes reports.

    The desire to develop smaller aircraft carriers in the US Navy arose several years ago. They will have a shorter range, power and speed than atomic ones. But at the same time, they will not cost $ 13 billion, as nuclear-powered supercarriers, but two or three times cheaper. In addition to the price, another reason for the reduction of nuclear aircraft carriers may be the high vulnerability of these warships to the new weaponscreated in Russia and China.

    A 2017 study by Californian think tank RAND recommended that the Navy replace some of its 11 100-ton CVNs with CVLs, which would be 40 tonnes. In this case, one supercarrier should be replaced by two lighter, non-nuclear ones.

    CVLs are now featured in the Navy's 30-year shipbuilding plan for the first time. It was published last week by the administration of outgoing President Donald Trump. It is possible that his successor Joe Biden, who takes office on January 20, may revise this plan or abandon it altogether.

    On the other hand, Trump's plan reflects a consensus among the naval leadership that the fleet should grow at the expense of small ships that can quickly split up, avoiding an enemy strike.

    There is no exact information yet on what the CVL will look like, but it is assumed that they will begin to be created on the basis of large amphibious assault ships of the "America" ​​class.

    https://en.topwar.ru/178347-ssha-gotovy-zamenit-chast-atomnyh-avianoscev-na-bolee-legkie-analogi.html

    Observe the flawed logic of this obvious stunt to juice more money from the Pentagon. Under pressure due to the exorbitant and unjustifiable costs of the Ford Class, the proposal is to go for new lighter carriers that should be "affordable" and "less vulnerable"... but you will need twice as many. Given they will incur in overcosts as any US MIC program and they will not be less vulnerable AT ALL, if only because they will be smaller and far easier to sink, the most likely outcome is a fleet with less capable ships that is more expensive AND more vulnerable. Hats off to them, and may they be successfull selling the dummy to the political leadership thumbsup

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:41 pm

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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:46 am

    So American warships will be able to saturate enemy air defences with a massive barrage..

    Yeah, and as we saw Syria was able to shoot down 71 of the 103 weapons fired at them without an IADS and using separate individual air defence systems that were not working together in a managed system... an organised system probably would have shot down the lot.

    And that is Syria... not Russia...

    Americas newest anti ship and land attack missile is Tomahawk block 5, while the Russian navys newest anti ship and land attack missile is Zircon...

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:42 am

    https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2020/12/white-house-shipbuilding-plan-would-shrink-ford-carrier-class-over-navy-objections/170650/
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:56 pm

    So the politicians are telling their naval experts that they need to build smaller aircraft carriers...

    That is normal.

    The drive for smaller carriers normally comes from the accountants and politicians... but the problem is that when the brown stuff hits the rotary air cooling system they expect the same performance... which stinks up the room real fast.
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    Post  LMFS Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:20 pm

    Attention BS warning!
    clown clown clown clown clown clown clown clown clown clown clown clown

    A new doctrinal paper by USN that reads like a wartime pamphlet leaves us jewels of propaganda like these:

    Today, the People’s Republic of China (PRC) and the Russian Federation (RF) employ
    all instruments of their national power to undermine and remake the international system to
    serve their own interests. Each conduct a variety of malign activities incrementally, attempting
    to achieve their objectives without triggering a military response. Both nations back their
    revisionist activities with regionally powerful militaries and obscure their aggressive behavior
    by mixing military and paramilitary forces with proxies. China’s and Russia’s attempts to
    exert control over natural marine resources and restrict access to the oceans have negative
    repercussions for all nations.


    China has implemented a strategy and revisionist approach that aims at the heart of the
    United States’ maritime power. It seeks to corrode international maritime governance, deny
    access to traditional logistical hubs, inhibit freedom of the seas, control use of key chokepoints,
    deter our engagement in regional disputes, and displace the United States as the preferred
    partner in countries around the world.

    To enable its strategy, China deploys a multilayered fleet that includes the People’s
    Liberation Army Navy, the China Coast Guard, and the People’s Armed Forces Maritime
    Militia—naval auxiliaries disguised as civilian vessels—to subvert other nations’ sovereignty
    and enforce unlawful claims.


    Whereas U.S. naval forces are globally dispersed, supporting U.S. interests and
    deterring aggression from multiple threats, China’s numerically larger forces are primarily
    concentrated in the Western Pacific.


    https://media.defense.gov/2020/Dec/17/2002553481/-1/-1/0/TRISERVICESTRATEGY.PDF/TRISERVICESTRATEGY.PDF

    I could go on an on, since the document is an unmitigated load of ideological crap and outright lies that in full paranoia spends almost 40 pages complaining about how Russia and China are threatening US by defending their territory without even noticing once that maybe if US would mean their own business and refrain from harassing them right at their doorstep, things would be easier for all.

    The conclusion of all this display of stupidity could not be more negative: the political leadership of armed services has been taken over by deranged idiots that fail not only to perceive that respect of subjectivity is the basis of international relationships, but even more fatally, miss the obvious fact that US cannot today or in any foreseeable future defeat both China and Russia in their immediate surroundings. I really struggle to see how this situation is going to change without a sound and very dangerous military defeat of the US that shakes the regime to the point of taking the globalists down.

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    Post  Hole Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:47 pm

    "Preffered partner" Laughing Laughing Laughing
    "Remake the international system to serve their own interests" - instead of washingtons interests. How dare they!

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:47 pm

    Report: Navy's Costliest Carrier Cannot Reliably Launch Fighters

    It could be re-designated as an LHA & cast doubt on the feasibility of EMALS concept.

    As I expected, USN will forward deploy in the IO:
    https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/12/12/a-us-numbered-fleet-in-the-indian-ocean-and-new-delhis-interests-in-the-region/


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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:55 am

    That is what the US wants. Whether India helps by buying their shit for "compatibility" with the new imperial commanders of the Indian ocean is another question.
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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:25 am



    The US Freedom class of littoral combat ship has botched design gear boxes that prevents them from operating
    at their rated speed. They cannot use the gas turbines without risking catastrophic failure of the drive
    train. This first occurred on the Milwaukee and the US Navy tried to blame the crew. But in the fall of 2020
    in a policing operation in the Caribbean the same failure occurred on the Detroit and Little Rock. This prompted
    an investigation as opposed to a stupid coverup and the gear box was found to be defective in design and
    could not handle the load from the gas turbines. So these ships an only crawl along at 12 knots using their
    diesel engines.

    Replacing or fixing the gear boxes is not feasible in the initial assessment but the maker of the gear boxes
    is supposedly trying to come up with a solution.

    The US does not need sanctions to screw up. For all the bitching at Russia I do not see examples similar to
    this case being provided by the critics.



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    Post  George1 Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:36 pm

    On January 12, 2021, the lead tanker of the next generation USNS John Lewis (T-AO-205) was launched at the General Dynamics NASSCO shipyard in San Diego, California. The new tanker is designed to supply US Navy surface ships at sea, as well as to deliver fuel for carrier-based aircraft. The length of the ship will be 227.3 m, maximum width - 32.2 m, displacement - 49850 tons. The vessel will be able to reach a speed of 20 knots and transport 157,000 barrels of oil products. Tankers will also be able to transport dry cargo and receive helicopters. Crew - 125 people. The program will ultimately purchase 20 new tankers that will replace the aging T-AO 187 Henry J. Kaiser vessels.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:04 am

    Replacing or fixing the gear boxes is not feasible in the initial assessment but the maker of the gear boxes
    is supposedly trying to come up with a solution.

    The US does not need sanctions to screw up. For all the bitching at Russia I do not see examples similar to
    this case being provided by the critics.

    But it is all OK because they can afford to piss away money, and they can build replacements really really fast... it is just a question of whether the problems are actually fixed or the specs are changed like they are with the F-35.

    The solution the maker of the gear boxes might only cost 100 million dollars and simply be... don't sail faster than 12 knots... the sort of solution they came up with with the F-35s.

    Not really, it will make them far more efficient in controlling the oceans and far more resilient to damage, fewer fat targets which means smaller nations will be even more outclassed than now

    Smaller ships are less well defended and easier to sink, and more often than not you will need three or four to retain the same capabilities that one big one provides.

    Or are you suggesting instead of destroyers they should just build thousands of corvettes because that is the same principle... smaller vessels are less able to defend themselves let alone other ships, have less endurance, and are simply less capable with smaller radar and sonar and smaller weapons in smaller quantities.

    The idea of making lighter cheaper vehicles in much greater numbers fails too... on land and in the air as well as at sea.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:17 am

    "Areas Revealed": Where the US Navy Targeting Weapons



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    Post  JohninMK Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:18 pm

    Tucked down the bottom of the linked article is this on drone boats and a video.

    In January, the Marines choose Louisiana-based shipbuilder Metal Shark to develop the Long-Range Unmanned Surface Vehicle (LRUSV), which the company described as a "tiered, scalable weapons system [that] will provide the ability to accurately track and destroy targets at range throughout the battle space," in a press release. "While fully autonomous, the vessels may be optionally manned and they will carry multiple payloads, which they will be capable of autonomously launching and retrieving," it continued, adding that loitering munitions would be part of the LRUSV's arsenal. That specific element of the LRUSV effort sounds very similar in many respects to the Navy's aforementioned plans to acquire Block 3 Coyotes configured as suicide drones for employment from other unmanned platforms.

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39814/pentagon-unveils-details-on-effort-to-equip-its-services-with-massive-swarms-of-deadly-drones
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:32 pm

    Very interesting move.

    This is a ship of the CVN 69 carrier fleet currently in the Eastern Med. This action extends the carrier's protection or projection out into the Black Sea. A notable point is that hey have chosen to move a cruiser not the more normal destroyer into the Black Sea.


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    Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Monterey CG 61, part of the CVN69 transits Bosphorus into the Black Sea to conduct maritime security operations in the region.


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    Post  Sujoy Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:48 pm

    U.S 7th fleet enters India's exclusive economic zone. In a press release it states they wanted to challenge "India's excessive maritime claims."

    https://www.c7f.navy.mil/Media/News/Display/Article/2563538/7th-fleet-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation/


    India conveys concern

    https://thewire.in/world/us-navy-patrol-india-eez-without-consent-announces-publicly-uss-john-paul-jones

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:55 pm

    Sujoy wrote:U.S 7th fleet enters India's exclusive economic zone. In a press release it states they wanted to challenge "India's excessive maritime claims."

    https://www.c7f.navy.mil/Media/News/Display/Article/2563538/7th-fleet-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation/


    India conveys concern

    https://thewire.in/world/us-navy-patrol-india-eez-without-consent-announces-publicly-uss-john-paul-jones

    A month ago they said something similar about Vietnam....so Uncle Sham is showing their protection racket which they call the 'Asian Pivot.'

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:16 pm

    The US Navy is a pathetic, rotten club that the US thinks it can use to beat the world into submission. They sent one of their
    tubs to Vladivostok recently to scare Russia into submission over "excessive maritime claims" (LOL) and instead ended up running
    with their tail between their legs.

    America is in terminal imperial decline. Its delusional leaders think that they can control the Arctic Ocean up to Russia's coastline
    with a single decrepit icebreaker and can harass every country into submission. They don't have anywhere near the naval power
    they fancy that they do.

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:13 pm

    Sujoy wrote:U.S 7th fleet enters India's exclusive economic zone. In a press release it states they wanted to challenge "India's excessive maritime claims."

    https://www.c7f.navy.mil/Media/News/Display/Article/2563538/7th-fleet-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation/


    India conveys concern

    https://thewire.in/world/us-navy-patrol-india-eez-without-consent-announces-publicly-uss-john-paul-jones

    Concern? I'm sorry can you be more servile than that? Hells, the perfect time to wave the Brahmos around and you bend over instead.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:54 am

    Don't worry... I am sure the US will have Indias back if things turn bad with China and a real conflict starts... they have a long history of standing side by side with allies...

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    The difference in this case it is the US poking the dragon...

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