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    Yemeni Conflict: News #3

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    Post  Isos Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:44 pm

    And europeans wanted to switch for more saudi oil instead of russian. lol1

    99% it's US tomahawk that did it. lol1

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:48 pm

    That's not going to be good for oil supplies and prices Twisted Evil

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:49 pm

    Isos wrote:And europeans wanted to switch for more saudi oil instead of russian. lol1

    99% it's US tomahawk that did it. lol1

    I would almost say it is, given that the Saudis are going ahead with selling oil in yuan now as well

    But I doubt that any cuts to Saudi oil output would be on the cards on the background with the showdown with Russia

    And the Houthis have their own reasons for payback, after all. Iran probably doesn't mind either pirat

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    Post  Yugo90 Fri Mar 25, 2022 11:23 pm

    Houties are just like vietcong. They cant be destroyed. True warriors. Wish them luck.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 26, 2022 1:27 am

    But they are suffering too like the VC did... Americans were brutal... clearly the Saudis are too...

    But both colonial powers are not giving them any alternative.

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    Post  starman Sat Mar 26, 2022 11:16 am

    Yugo90 wrote:Houties are just like vietcong. They cant be destroyed. True warriors. Wish them luck.

    They just resumed offensive operations and made some gains. Wish they could take Marib.

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    Post  starman Sat Mar 26, 2022 11:20 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    And the Houthis have their own reasons for payback, after all. Iran probably doesn't mind either pirat

    Events of the past two days show that Tehran's friends are alive and kicking (butt). Probably wishful thinking but maybe reductions in Russian and Saudi exports will make the west desperate for Iranian oil--to the point where sanctions de facto end without any concessions on the part of Tehran. Smile

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    Post  mavaff Sat Mar 26, 2022 1:24 pm

    So another great success of US made AD systems.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 26, 2022 10:23 pm

    I assume "oil derivatives" includes diesel, aviation fuel etc.

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    google, google and come across one interesting thing, There was a quarter of Saudi oil in Jeddah, and now there is none. That is why Saudi Arabia is crying at the UN.

    Saudi Al-Arabiya reports on the attack on the Aramco oil derivatives storage center in Jeddah. He says the oil plant has been burning for 15 hours and 300 firefighters and soldiers are constantly trying to put out the fire. He says that there were 13 tanks in this center

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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 27, 2022 4:30 am

    Events of the past two days show that Tehran's friends are alive and kicking (butt). Probably wishful thinking but maybe reductions in Russian and Saudi exports will make the west desperate for Iranian oil--to the point where sanctions de facto end without any concessions on the part of Tehran.

    I would expect the west might look to Iranian oil and potentially gas exports to compensate for reducing the flow from Russia, but how much oil and gas could they sell them... and of course selling gas that way is slow and rather more expensive than piped gas so expensive gas is going to be a thing for Europe going forward now even if they could put in enough port facilities to take liquid supplies to replace the piped gas supplies they currently get.

    I hope the Iranians demand payment in their own currency and not dollars or euros, which the west could freeze on a whim or just steal like they do... or maybe demand payment in Yuan or Rubles so they can buy products from Russia or China.

    When the west buys your oil or gas they like you to spend the currency you make on their (overpriced) products in their currency so they can get some money back on the deal...

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:14 pm

    Try again for peace

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    Yemen suspends attacks on Saudi Arabia for three days

    Yemen announced today that it will stop rocket and unmanned attacks on Saudi Arabia for three days.

    They say the peace initiative could be permanent if a coalition led by Saudi Arabia fighting in Yemen stops air strikes and lifts restrictions on the use of ports.

    also announced a three-day suspension of offshore offensive operations in Yemen, including in the Marib gas production region, Mahdi al-Mashat, Yemen's president, said in a televised speech.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:44 pm

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    The most important drones used by the Yemeni army
    to bomb Aramco


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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:09 am

    The Saudis did as Americans told them because they thought the Americans would protect them from their neighbours.

    The protection they offer against drones and cruise missiles is absolutely pathetic so if the US isn't protecting them why should they take direction from America.

    And the person saying the US should take the oil... they do...

    Change is coming though.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:34 am

    GarryB wrote:The Saudis did as Americans told them because they thought the Americans would protect them from their neighbours.

    The protection they offer against drones and cruise missiles is absolutely pathetic so if the US isn't protecting them why should they take direction from America.

    And the person saying the US should take the oil... they do...

    Change is coming though.

    Taking drones out are more difficult than people realise.  And yet people were slagging off Russia in Ukraine conflict losing a few vehicles to TB2 drone which is a good drone, but at least Russia has systems that can take them out, not just one or two systems but many including EW systems. While USA has pretty much nothing that can. Patriot had proven it's a crap system even way back in Iraq war when it failed to take down 1960's Luna m (FROG-7).  it really does make u wonder how USA or even EU/UK forces would cope up against TB2 and other drones, also how would they cope with Tochka? Iskander they don't have any chance. Then you have to look at their other enemies Iran and North Korea missiles systems USA UK EU without their air forces and navy they would be totally screwed. It's one of reasons why they have never attempted to target North Korea, I wrote on this forum the multiple reasons why USA and south Korea have never attempted such, USA air force would do only limited damage to NK from the air.

    The Saudi coalition have tried to do the USA/NATO tactic of a sustained air bombing campaign destroying everything from military targets, civilian energy and water, to schools and hospitals, and killing vast amount of civilians. And it's failed, the ground offensives are terrible because they never really train for such. The houthis are like ants on mission to destroy anything on the ground, even far away drones/missiles (flying ants) lol! Best thing Saudi coalition can do is slowly back away and leave Hadi to it. I personally think either the houthis will win outright or Saudi coalition will come to an agreement of a Yemen split. Problem u have now is UAE etc taking islands for themselves. This is against the law and I don't see western nations telling them to leave or sanctioning them.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:13 am

    Very true, drones are at ones plastic model aeroplanes that anyone can shoot down with a rifle from enormous distances, to outdoing the US satellite network by providing 24/7 all weather day and night coverage of the battlefield that makes ambushes on convoys impossible.

    It is obviously something in the middle and of course come in a wide variety of sizes and types... some palm sized ones fly for ten minutes and then need 3 hours to charge... but if in those ten minutes they climb vertically and spot some enemy forces without revealing your position that allows you to mark the enemy positions on a digital map to then be engaged by other platforms... ground vehicles and aircraft and artillery then it is amazing.

    Hand held balls you can roll into a room with cameras showing every corner so you know where the bad guys are, or if there are any in there at all... saving a hand grenade you can use on the next room.

    To larger platforms with rockets and bombs and missiles but also cameras.

    The most valuable part of a drone is often high quality cameras that provide information about where the enemy is and what forces they have and what they are doing right now.

    A drone is like a plane, if it spots a target it can't just release a bomb and it will automatically hit, it will often need to turn in the direction of the target because the camera is independent and while you might be looking directly at the target the drone might be flying away from the target.

    Most drones are very small and very light and really don't show up well on camera or IR device.

    The Georgian drones in South Ossetia were a problem for the Russian forces there because the IR signature was too small for MANPADS to hit them when they were flying at 4km altitude, and at that altitude they were too high for 23mm cannon fire to reach... if they had OSA or Tunguska or Pantsir they could reach but they had BUK which is like using HAWK missiles to shoot down small drones.

    They ended up using fighter aircraft, you might remember the video of a MiG-29 using an R-73 or R-60 air to air missile to shoot down the drone... not ideal.

    Aircraft are not great for shooting down drones... they are expensive and their missiles are not cheap either.

    The cheapest solution would be 57mm or 30mm airburst HE shells, or something like Kornet or Bulat with HE payloads.... or a drone with a 40mm grenade launcher with special airburst grenades that might use the same airburst technology the 30mm and 57mm HE shells use.

    Small arms are not good because even the bullets that hit create a threat to anyone on the ground beyond the target when they come down again.

    Having large numbers of soldiers firing lots of bullets into the air could do more damage than the drone... firing rifles and HMGs into the air is not safe.

    Saudi coalition will come to an agreement of a Yemen split. Problem u have now is UAE etc taking islands for themselves. This is against the law and I don't see western nations telling them to leave or sanctioning them.

    The Houthi need to create a price for the UAE that they will have to keep paying until the situation is resolved... if they can sort something out with SA then they can focus on UAE to get their island back... even if it is just constant drone attacks on the islands and any aircraft or shipping that operate near or on the islands...

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:41 pm

    Wow

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    #SaudiArabia announced that they will stop all their military operation in #Yemen

    "Command of the JF of the Coalition: We announce the cessation of military operations inside Yemen to make the consultations successful and create a positive environment for peacemaking during the month of Ramadan"

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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:53 am

    Good, I hope they mean it, because it really was not a conflict doing anyone any good.

    A horrible waste of lives and money.

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    Post  ahmedfire Thu Mar 31, 2022 7:49 am

    The last attack on Aramco was lethal , better for Saudis to start a real talks with Iran and create a balance in the gulf area , this will end the US from playing games there and trading with the "Gulf security " dirty business .


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 01, 2022 6:24 pm

    After mutual attacks yesterday peace hopes rise again. The more detail probably means more chance of success.

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    Important agreement was reached between #SaudiArabia & Sanaa government as an initiative to end the war in #Yemen. Agreement includes the release of prisoners & the reopening of Sanaa Airport, Hudaydah port & Taiz crossings to aliviate the humanitarian & economic Yemeni problems

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:After mutual attacks yesterday peace hopes rise again. The more detail probably means more chance of success.

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    Important agreement was reached between #SaudiArabia & Sanaa government as an initiative to end the war in #Yemen. Agreement includes the release of prisoners & the reopening of Sanaa Airport, Hudaydah port & Taiz crossings to aliviate the humanitarian & economic Yemeni problems
    Call me skeptical. April Fools fall on April 1st.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:49 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:After mutual attacks yesterday peace hopes rise again. The more detail probably means more chance of success.

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    Important agreement was reached between #SaudiArabia & Sanaa government as an initiative to end the war in #Yemen. Agreement includes the release of prisoners & the reopening of Sanaa Airport, Hudaydah port & Taiz crossings to aliviate the humanitarian & economic Yemeni problems
    Call me skeptical. April Fools fall on April 1st.

    Isn't it just a Western thing?

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:37 pm

    Peace again on its way. Fingers crossed

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    All military operations in #Yemen will stop for 2 months.

    Allow 18 ships with fuel to enter the port of #Hodeidah.

    2 flights per week to Sanaa airport from Jordan and Egypt.
    corridors in Taiz city.

    Consider proposals by #UN Special Envoy for further steps to end the war



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    At the same time, a member of the negotiating group of the Government of National Salvation of Yemen said that the announced ceasefire does not meet the minimum requirements of the Yemeni people, and the siege of Yemen must also be lifted.

    Big news for Yemen, after several years
    The first flight to and from Sanaa airport on Monday, led by Captain Khattab Al-Naami.

    Abdul Malik al-Ajri stressed that his government's goal is to completely lift the siege and stop all actions that threaten the lives of Yemeni citizens.

    The aggressor and enemy countries cannot be trusted, but this time the ceasefire is different because it came after our recent attacks.

    This ceasefire gives the aggressor countries an opportunity to reconsider their calculations for a lasting and comprehensive peace.

    Before the UN declared a ceasefire and after the recent attacks on Saudi strategic sites, contacts were established through the UN between Sana'a and the Saudi coalition.

    Ansar Allah: It was our attacks that forced the Saudi coalition to agree to a ceasefire.

    Mohammed al-Bahiti, a member of the Politburo of the Yemeni Ansar Allah movement, said:

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:26 pm

    Let me hope that this is a serious step and not a way to reinforce Saudi coalition through devious methods. The houthi should use this time to eradicate ISIS and Al Qaeda groups. Which small in number should be easy if done properly.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:59 am

    Well, I suppose inevitably given the US is involved, the ceasefire has expired. War is back on and Saudi/UAE assets will be targeted again.

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    Oil companies operating in Saudi Arabia and UAE have a short period to pack up and leave

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