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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:45 am

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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:27 am

    Japanese troops that were killing British were converted to their "allies" in order to fight communists..
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:42 am

    Why the surprise... despite terrible crimes in the war in the pacific there were no nurenberg trials for the Japs.... and of course just after west german soldiers were killing brits and yanks all of a sudden they were allies in the fight against the Soviets... and the Japs too we now western allies against the Soviet Union and communist China too...

    Bad guy is a switch can can be flipped over night... Osama bin laden was a good guy fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, and Saddam was a hero keeping them evil Iranians in check... till they did something that was no longer useful and they became the biggest threat to world peace and public enemy number 1.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:49 am




    There were no Japanese at Nuremberg due to geographical and practical considerations.

    They had their own separate war crimes trials which I think were conducted by the Allies soon after the end of WW2 in Japan.


    You can see a little bit about it in the movie Emperor which was released a few years ago; the wanted Japanese were actively hunted down and put on trial.

    Also, the U.S practically wrested away and annexed some Japanese islands after the war, something it did not do to either Austria or Germany. For example Okinawa was not returned to Japan until the 1970's, and the U.S. military has still a significant presence there to this day. Also a bunch of the Pacific islands were annexed by the U.S. and never given back to Japan.



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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:33 am

    Of course they actively hunted down Japanese... but mostly to recruit them... they knew the Japs were experimenting on their prisoners with diseases and chemicals... they would take a group of 100 men and infect them with a disease like foot an mouth or typhoid and every week they would kill ten and do autopsies... sometimes they wouldn't kill them they would just autopsie them alive which of course killed them. The US was desperate to get their hands on their results and lab books... they offered jobs in the US and nice houses and lots of money to get them to surrender and not destroy their notes.

    Well it turns out they weren't doing proper science and so the results were largely useless, but no one got tried or executed for their treatment of prisoners in the Pacific.

    And that is just one aspect... the way they treated the local girls was horrific... they called them comfort girls... they were as bad as nazis in europe but were not treated the same because the US basically was in total control and didn't really give a shit what they did to the natives or the prisoners.

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    Post  kvs Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:23 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

    These worms were right up there with Mengele in their demented and sadistic experiments.

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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:01 pm

    Their president also changed until the end of the war in Asia. Truman was a lot worse then Roosevelt.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:58 am

    kvs wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

    These worms were right up there with Mengele in their demented and sadistic experiments.



    Trust me, the Germans and Ukrainians were even worse:


    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944



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    Post  Finty Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:33 pm

    All a shame in hindsight, shows how nothing is black and white in history and politics. For instance, the first American to be killed in 'Nam was a member of the OSS, been working alongside the Viet Minh. Overall, an example of the USA ultimately taking the anti-communist rhetoric too far and turning on someone (Ho), who wasn't a hardline communist. His only mistake was not wanting to put up with French rule!

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    Post  Finty Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:Of course they actively hunted down Japanese... but mostly to recruit them... they knew the Japs were experimenting on their prisoners with diseases and chemicals... they would take a group of 100 men and infect them with a disease like foot an mouth or typhoid and every week they would kill ten and do autopsies... sometimes they wouldn't kill them they would just autopsie them alive which of course killed them. The US was desperate to get their hands on their results and lab books... they offered jobs in the US and nice houses and lots of money to get them to surrender and not destroy their notes.

    Well it turns out they weren't doing proper science and so the results were largely useless, but no one got tried or executed for their treatment of prisoners in the Pacific.

    And that is just one aspect... the way they treated the local girls was horrific... they called them comfort girls... they were as bad as nazis in europe but were not treated the same because the US basically was in total control and didn't really give a shit what they did to the natives or the prisoners.

    Indeed, the Japs were f*cked up. Things were that bad during the rape of Nanking that even the Nazis told them to reign it in a bit.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:39 pm

    Overall, an example of the USA ultimately taking the anti-communist rhetoric too far and turning on someone (Ho), who wasn't a hardline communist. His only mistake was not wanting to put up with French rule!

    And that is an important thing you can't talk about... the Vietnam war and the conflict the Americans had with North Korea and Cuba were not actually about communism... they were about colonialism and making countries whole and shifting power from the foreign colonials back to the natives.

    The North Vietnamese wanted the French out they got a bit of help from the US to start with but pressure from France nipped that in the bud so they had to turn somewhere else and when uncle Sam says no of course you go see uncle joe... it was the same for castro in Cuba... that happened because white people owned all the land in cuba and the cuban people were the manual labourers working the sugar cane fields and bringing drinks to rich fat white people on the beautiful beaches of Cuba in casinos mostly run by the US Mafia.

    North Korea wanted a whole Korea again.... a country split by the Japanese invasion and left split because the Soviets didn't get the chance to complete the job of getting rid of the Japs.

    The north koreans crushed the south koreans but before they could win and end it all the UN intervened and UN forces pushed the NKs up to the Chinese border, well US troops on the border with China was not acceptable to China so China invaded and pushed the UN force back to the 38th parallel... and a stalemate was created.

    Ironically if they had ignored it and let the NK win initially the problem could have been solved in 1991 when the soviets collapsed they could be like Vietnam is now.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:52 pm

    Finty wrote:
    Indeed, the Japs were f*cked up. Things were that bad during the rape of Nanking that even the Nazis told them to reign it in a bit.

    Nazis of 1937 were not exactly the same as when Endlossung was put on a table.
    They had both diplomatic&economic ties with the whole world.
    To be honest, the whole of Europe was more or less nationalistic, so the Reich regime then looked only slightly on steroids, if compared.
    Plus there was a lot of interest in Hitlers' "economic miracle".
    In 1935, Hermann Goering was invited to Poland for hunting by President Mościcki for the first time. Later on, he has been invited on a yearly basis till 1938. He was awarded the White Eagle medal, which was the highest civil decoration in Poland Laughing and Goering repaid with gifting a luxury Mercedes car ... Even in 1939, when Goering was absent, his place was retaken by Heinrich Himmler.
    In late 30s, WWII was already burning in China, and Japan's atrocities were on full swing.
    To this day, there are places in China marked with "no entrance for Japs and dogs", and I am not kidding.

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