Colour Revolutions in the Former Soviet Republics

Thats true.

ATLASCUB wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Kazakhstan may as well be classified as an enemy of Russia at this point.

http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2018/01/17/us-creates-afghan-transit-route-with-counter-narrative-in-central-asia/

Russians are no wiser. "Are Russians their own enemy at this point". What happened to lead by example? Only when Russia's shit was pushed in did Russia start to "fight" back - because Russians have no other choice other than to become servs of the current ruling empire. But Putin did kiss the masters ring, and everyone took notice. Now you all expect decade+ disdain for true allegiances and geopolitical engineering to happen overnight? Hell no. Not to mention the opposition can buy anyone out as long as they're willing. In the fight for biggest pocket, Russia loses soundly.

Collapses have consequences yet Gorby still alive. Russians are indeed, their own worst enemy if you really look at it on a proper context.

All you pontificators on Russia are really full of it.   The collapse of the USSR was not some speed bump.  It should have been terminal for
Russia.   In fact, it has been terminal for Ukraine, Georgia and most of the non-Russian part of the USSR.   You smugly brush off the fact
that under Putin, Russia freed itself from the western puppet oligarchy it got during the 1990s.   Ukraine and others failed in this regard and
look where they are now.    

For anyone to expect Russia to act like the USSR after 1991 requires a detachment from reality of mind-numbing levels.   Russia can only
now start to protect itself properly.   It was not in this condition both economically and militarily back in 2000 or even 2008.    Putin clearly played NATO
by projecting the image of a weak country, weaker than it actually was.    Hubris filled NATO leaders and deep state puppet master fell for
it hook, line and sinker.   It was, after all, sweet music to their ears.    Now, in 2018, they are clearly panicking to the point of talk of WWIII.
These losers, who really are their own worst enemies, have figured out that they knew sh*t about Russia's condition.    But like Obama they
are still masturbating themselves with retarded projection that Russia is some banana republic "that doesn't make anything".   These retards
actually thought the sanctions they imposed in 2014 would bring Russia to its knees.   Well, we know what an epic fail that has been.

Spare all the wailing about Russia not controlling Ukraine or Armenia like some colonial power.   In light of the collapse of the 1990s (worst
depression in modern history:  US lost 25% of its GDP during the 1930s and was saved by WWII, Russia lost over 50% of its GDP and had
to dig itself out of this hole), the fact that Russia can now intervene in Syria is a historic event.   It is not obliged to "win" in Armenia to
prove itself.    Let the global ruler wannabe NATO west take care of these tar babies.   Let's see how far it gets them.

kvs wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Kazakhstan may as well be classified as an enemy of Russia at this point.

http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2018/01/17/us-creates-afghan-transit-route-with-counter-narrative-in-central-asia/

Russians are no wiser. "Are Russians their own enemy at this point". What happened to lead by example? Only when Russia's shit was pushed in did Russia start to "fight" back - because Russians have no other choice other than to become servs of the current ruling empire. But Putin did kiss the masters ring, and everyone took notice. Now you all expect decade+ disdain for true allegiances and geopolitical engineering to happen overnight? Hell no. Not to mention the opposition can buy anyone out as long as they're willing. In the fight for biggest pocket, Russia loses soundly.

Collapses have consequences yet Gorby still alive. Russians are indeed, their own worst enemy if you really look at it on a proper context.

All you pontificators on Russia are really full of it.   The collapse of the USSR was not some speed bump.  It should have been terminal for
Russia.   In fact, it has been terminal for Ukraine, Georgia and most of the non-Russian part of the USSR.   You smugly brush off the fact
that under Putin, Russia freed itself from the western puppet oligarchy it got during the 1990s.   Ukraine and others failed in this regard and
look where they are now.    

For anyone to expect Russia to act like the USSR after 1991 requires a detachment from reality of mind-numbing levels.   Russia can only
now start to protect itself properly.   It was not in this condition both economically and militarily back in 2000 or even 2008.    Putin clearly played NATO
by projecting the image of a weak country, weaker than it actually was.    Hubris filled NATO leaders and deep state puppet master fell for
it hook, line and sinker.   It was, after all, sweet music to their ears.    Now, in 2018, they are clearly panicking to the point of talk of WWIII.
These losers, who really are their own worst enemies, have figured out that they knew sh*t about Russia's condition.    But like Obama they
are still masturbating themselves with retarded projection that Russia is some banana republic "that doesn't make anything".   These retards
actually thought the sanctions they imposed in 2014 would bring Russia to its knees.   Well, we know what an epic fail that has been.

Spare all the wailing about Russia not controlling Ukraine or Armenia like some colonial power.   In light of the collapse of the 1990s (worst
depression in modern history:  US lost 25% of its GDP during the 1930s and was saved by WWII, Russia lost over 50% of its GDP and had
to dig itself out of this hole), the fact that Russia can now intervene in Syria is a historic event.   It is not obliged to "win" in Armenia to
prove itself.    Let the global ruler wannabe NATO west take care of these tar babies.   Let's see how far it gets them.

The hell are you talking about....

I was responding directly to a comment from another poster criticizing the Khazak govt. of aiding the U.S war effort in Afghanistan. I merely made the factual observation that even Russia, or better phrased, its ruling clique aided in this effort enthusiastically. It even came with a statue in New York....    please... Thus, Russia is in no position to criticize or expect a different behavior from others if it does not lead by example. Putin did kiss the ring, even knowing full well of American intentions in the geopolitical arena, first with Yugoslavia (drawing first blood), then with further NATO expansion, even to the Baltic states, then with the IBM treaty and "missile shield" in Eastern Europe. Not to mention, the CIA's direct involvement in the War in Chechnya. Georgia as well....

The U.S has gone as far as Russia has allowed it to go......each advance a test of its own power, and that of Russia, which has frankly been afraid to confront its enemy in the battlefields of the time.

The one event that broke the camels back was Ukraine (and for obvious reason - since Russia is basically next) but the policy since then had been total and absolute appeasement. A total disregard for Russian interests, and criminal incompetence in the case of Ukraine. There is no spin that can obfuscate these things, there are no excuses that can hide ineptness, incompetence, weakness, and lack of leadership. The condition of Russia from x year to y year is the direct result of Soviet/Russian incompetence....own up. The ones that suffered the consequences were the little people, everyday Russians, and citizens of the CIS, not the bureaucrats that along with Gorby gave millions chaos, poverty, and to some, even war in the years to come. Yet these very bureaucrats suffered little to nothing, and live/d comfortably. If you want to look at the total opposite, look at China....where are the excuses, did they complain about the unfair burden of 1.3B people...... no, they actually turned that into an asset, and reformed. That's strong leadership, that's good leadership. 90 miles off the coast of the U.S is another example...

As for the rest of your comments regarding the tales of NATO's mistakes (you mean American) and all the other bla bla bla... obviously not free from making mistakes but they sure as hell have been much more wiser in how an empire, and indeed the world is run. And for all intents and purposes, they still run it - and both you and I, live rather comfortably, at its heart, in North America.

You ask for pity and understanding of such criminal incompetence, and poor leadership. The world and history does not care for such, and usually cruelly punishes it. You glorify Putin as if he is playing some master 4D chess when he himself made countless mistakes as well. In essence, you create the imagery that the events that occurred and its results were inevitable and unavoidable after such a catalytic event (as was the collapse of the USSR), and that it's Putin's plan all along to hold back and NOW has decided to play ball. This could not be further from the truth. He has been forced to play or yield in another major defeat. The empire keeps advancing, not retreating - and that should be clear to anyone not clouded by emotional attachment to one's own kin aka pride. Today they're banging at the walls of the castle, and they don't need to nuke the castle to bring it down - the collapse of the USSR should be a clear example of that.

The Nazarbayev clan is running scared at this point. You can tell. Of the increasing US and EU sanctions against Russia and various groups doing business with Russia. And he doesn't want to get caught up in the net.

Nazarbayev the Elder has been around for a long time, the most out of all current ex-Soviet leaders in fact - and probably doesn't have much more than 5 years left of rule in him, whereupon he'll pass the mantle to one of his daughters. To lay the groundwork for that he's been trying to establish a partnership with America; he can't politically do a 180-degree turn himself but certainly he's laying the groundwork for a more anti-Russian policy by his successor.

We've had the Kazakh abstention from backing Russia over the Syrian chemical accusation at the UN.. that by itself doesn't mean much. Obama famously also had the US abstain from a UN resolution against Israel's illegal settlements back in 2016; which the Israelis took as a massive betrayal. But fast forward 2 years and they're stalwart allies again.
Over the past couple of years we've also had Kazakhstan move more and more to Kazakh language education, and just recently - announcing yet again the move to the Latin alphabet from the Cyrillic one. Again by themselves, these moves don't necessarily mean much. Kazakhstan is an independent country and has a right to structure its internal policies such as education as it deems fit. But combined with the moves in foreign politics, and the anti-Russian vector of it all becomes quite clear.

The leasing of the Caspian Sea ports to the Americans on the other hand, while at first glance does not particularly hurt Russian interests - is symbolically a deeply, deeply unfriendly move. Especially done at a time when the US and Russia nearly got into a military conflict. Now Kazakhstan is effectively giving the US military access through their territory in order to maintain their presence in Afghanistan, and by so doing is also paving the way for the introduction of the US military into the Caspian Sea - the last body of water whereby Russia was safe and militarily uncontested.

The possible military repercussions of this alone are enormous (never mind the possible political and economic ones). Not only can the Russian Caspian flotilla now be militarily contested from a possible American presence in Azeri and Kazakh ports, but if Kazakhstan moves out from the military alliance with Russia then it cuts off Russia's presence in the rest of Central Asia.. it also cuts off the entire united air-defence network between CSTO states; the loss of Kazakh S-300, Su-30 and MiG-31 capabilities in covering Russia's southern flank; and leaves the air defence assets in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan in isolation.

I guess this is a sort of worst-case scenario projection, but if the anti-Russian vector is followed then this will be the end result.
Even on Youtube comments I can already see an increasing nationalistic shift of Kazakh opinions towards the Svidomite-style Russophobia of the Ukrainians. Some are talking about Bashar Assad the murderer, others about how its not in their interests to support Russia on Syria.. not in their interests? Are they not aware that half of Syria's foreign Jihadists come from the ex-USSR?
Others are pouring dirt over Russia over ostensibly not supporting their allies and not starting WW3 with the US when Syria came under attack.. despite the fact that the strike was all smoke and mirrors and killed nobody.

To me this policy of Kazakhstan looks suicidal from the political, economic and military viewpoint; considering Kazakhstan's current huge level of integration with not only Russia economically but also China. And neither of those countries will appreciate American inroads into a country wedged right between them.
But, never underestimate the power of delusions and the corruption and self-service of oligarchical elites. As the Ukraine proved already.

Now as for Lukashenko, he's also done some questionable moves lately.
But Lukashenko is just being Lukashenko. He's always been trying to angle for more economic and political leverage against Russia. And he will continue.
But he won't, I don't think, abandon the course of current state and military unification with Russia. Certainly not the military alliance. At the end of the day he has no reason to be worried about sanctions or loss of US/EU investments; he doesn't have much to lose - and he knows that even despite their turn of policy towards him, policies can again shift at any moment and he ultimately has nobody to back him up other than Russia.

Apparently Kazakhstan denied a lot of the claims used recently about the US access. But anyway, I agree with you FP. And in the end, Kazakhstan can face much difficulty in the future if it aligns with US in this regard, as Kazakhstan can be isolated completely.

I doubt Russia would sit by and allow that to happen.

The best approach to this meddling is to shine a light on the roaches. Russia has been doing an excellent job of letting the regime
change stooges dig their own political graves by having their retarded voices heard far and wide on "state run" media. These
idiots have no grasp of how detached they are from the public and reality. They may please Washington, but they are totally
useless at winning the hearts and minds of the regime change target country population.

NATzO has lost basically all the propaganda leverage it had during the USSR period. They can bleat and screech all they want
abut "tyranny" but even sub 90 IQ people will not buy such obvious nonsense. What the average NATzO sap thinks is irrelevant.
Russians can see with their own eyes and feel through their own experience the Russian reality. NATzO saps think that some
subspecies of SJW dogma mongers, the liberasts, represents Russian public sentiment. They don't and never will. They
hate Russia in a rabid fashion and will take their insanity to the grave. Normal people don't hate themselves and like Americans
love to yap about, Russia has opportunities for those that have the desire to take them. SJW losers want everything on a
platter and the Russian subspecies thinks that life is really like that in their precious west. All of them should bugger on off
to they mythical promised land.

Like the ball nailing clown, they will learn what their projection utopia is really like.

SVR says the next US colour revolution will be staged in Moldova:

https://en.topwar.ru/176287-sledujuschaja-cel-dodon-svr-uznala-o-podgotovke-ssha-cvetnoj-revoljucii-v-moldavii.html

miketheterrible wrote:
The Atlantic council is a mouth piece for American Imperialism.  Nothing more. .

the atlantic council is a pro nato ngo.. and they are right ,when they say they can continue pushing
russia into a war in georgia ,ukraine and even belarus.. but the list is far longer..

americans can very easily..
1)provoke a war in moldova vs russian peacekeepers.. a new georgia like war.
2)provoke a major war against venezuela
3) restart the war on ukraine..
4)restart the funding of terrorist with weapons in syria now with better drones..
5)restart the war on nagorno karabah..
6)they can even target egypt too..
7) target iran..
8)cuba
9)nicaragua
10)serbia

there is so many conflicts they can instigate forcing russia to interfere.. and the only one to blame
is putin for encouraging nations to join the russian orbit and allowing russia military bases.. knowing those nations will automatically be a target for attack.. for being close to russia.. what russia face is a war of influence.. the west is seeking to reduce influence of russia across the entire world. and isolate russia from the world economy.. So is putin that ties the hand of russia and not pasha or armenia.. by creating security alliances that russia cant properly defend.

miketheterrible wrote:

The benefit of this whole ordeal is that they make no secret of their plans.  In this regard, it can royally screw them in the end since its like the bond villain telling bond what their grand master plan is before even executing it.  Then it gives bond the ability to counter act cause he already knows what the plan is thus able to come up with something rather quick to stop the bad guy.

In this regard, Russia isn't exactly surprised by such comments and were already fully aware of US intentions in these countries.  While they know they cannot contest Russia directly, the best US can do is try to subdue Russia by surrounding it.  But that wont work cause in the end, those other nations rely on Russia.  Hell, even Ukraine still relies on Russia.  If Russia really wanted to fight back, they can strangle the economies of these other nations and cause revolts like not seen since 1918.  BUT, in that regard, Russia also can potentially lose out too.  So they are doing the "watch from afar and pick here and there".  They wont let Donbass fall.  They will continue to allow Abkhazia, S.Ossetia, Donbass and Lughansk to be a headache for the other nations.  They will also continue to use its consumption power mixed with its energy to pick at the european states.  Already, the European Union and its alliance with US is fractured.

The Atlantic council is a mouth piece for American Imperialism.  Nothing more.  But when they get their cronies to come up to the podium to speak, it gives the rest of us the good idea what their intentions are.  And it gives their so called enemies information of what they plan to do ahead of time.  A joke really.  It is funny but Russia didn't interfere in Ukraine.  I think they should have.  But many suspect Russia didn't cause they couldn't.  That is a lie cause Russia was able to do a heck of a lot more, with significantly less, in 2008.  But I think it is because it is better to know your enemy than not.

America can go ahead and take control of these losers. The yanqui exceptional morons are already over extended with their farm of leeches.
Russia does not need these losers since all of them require billions and billions of dollars every single year to be "allies". They can go ahead
and deploy US bases on their soil. American nitwits think that they will neutralize Russian ICBMs with boost phase ABMs from these prime
toilet locations. Even retards can dream.

Enough with these "Russian occupants go home" fucktards.

par far wrote:The west is going to target Kazakhstan next.


https://www.stalkerzone.org/how-an-uprising-in-kazakhstan-is-being-incited/

Russia should support secession by the 40% non Kazakh population living in the north part of the country.
Kazakh ethnic chauvinists are going to try to ethnically cleans them anyway. At least make these scumbags
pay for their ambitions.