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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:08 am

    George1 wrote:are we sure that Khinzal is only anti-ship missile?

    Considering that it's developed from the Iskander and Kh-15, no reason why it couldn't be used against ground targets
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    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:52 am

    High-precision aviation missile system "Dagger" is designed to destroy land and sea targets.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3118102.html
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:02 am

    We can't really say it was developed from the Iskander or the Kh-15... it certainly looks like an Iskander in shape but nothing more...

    The video shows a dark sky during launch so it is clearly launched at very high altitudes... if it is being released at high speed and high altitude and it reaches mach 10 then it clearly has a fully functioning scramjet motor... there is no way a standard ramjet could operate at such speeds.

    Pretty much all their new missiles seem to be multirole so it would not surprise me that there was a land attack model.

    The thing I find interesting is the rather large fairing that falls off the rear just before the main engine starts up...

    Perhaps there is another version of this weapon for slower aircraft like the Tu-22M3 where that large rear portion could be replaced by a solid rocket booster that accelerates the weapon to high altitude and high speed before the main engine starts up... such a weapon would be rather valuable to a Tu-22M3 strike aircraft in a land attack mission... such missiles could be used to deal with major SAM sites and radar bases and comms centres on its way to its target.

    It could probably carry four missiles externally on its external weapon points and in its internal weapon bay it could carry some of those shorter bodied cruise missiles they talked about a while back...

    Interesting.
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    Post  Arrow on Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:07 am

    has a fully functioning scramjet motor... there is no way a standard ramjet could operate at such speeds. wrote:

    The missile has no air inlets needed for the scramjet. It looks like it start a rocket engine.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:06 am

    GarryB wrote:We can't really say it was developed from the Iskander or the Kh-15... it certainly looks like an Iskander in shape but nothing more...

    The video shows a dark sky during launch so it is clearly launched at very high altitudes... if it is being released at high speed and high altitude and it reaches mach 10 then it clearly has a fully functioning scramjet motor... there is no way a standard ramjet could operate at such speeds.

    Some Russian commentators believe so...I saved a small portion from one analysis

    Analyzing the video, we can conclude that the attachment points of rocket "dagger" uses all 4 ventral suspension points intended for A-A missiles R-33 / C, the estimated length of the product corresponds to 6.5-7 meters, body diameter - about 1000-1100 mm.

    The appearance of the missile is similar to the short-range ballistic missile 9M723-1 "Iskander-M", which leads to a probable unification of "Dagger" and "Iskander" in many avionics modules, including: inertial navigation system, a control system (represented by a gyro-stabilized platform and digital FDC), active radar guidance system of the type (video noticeable radome ARGSN perhaps - product 9B918 from the scientific production association "radar MMS"), and a set of controls on the basis of aerodynamic rudders.

    The missile is launched and approaches the target in the startosphere where it's beyond the reach of enemy airdefences. Also the air resistance is low up there enabling the long range of the missile (less fuel is needed). Some are calling it an Aegis killer as it's designed to dive on the target at almost 90 degree angle...apparently the Aegis has trouble locking onto targets approaching from that direction...also the tremendous speed doesn't leave much reaction time

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    Another source regarding land tartgets capabilty..

    Hypersonic missile system that can overcome any missile defense system in minutes. The complex is capable of accurately hitting stationary objects that are protected with concrete, including underground bunkers as well as moving targets....
    http://x-true.info/67519-kinzhal-porazil-zadannuyu-cel-v-hode-puska.html
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    Post  william.boutros on Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:31 am

    The more interesting news would be whether Russians are flirting with Tu-160 launching of ballistic missiles to circumvent european missile defenses and tu22 for salvo attacks on maritime threats.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:13 am

    Kinzhal is just the beginning.
    There will be a series of Russian hypersonic missiles entering service in the future. One of them will be the Zirkon that will be arming various ships and submarines of the RuNavy.
    The Tu-160M and PAK-DA will certainly have their own arsenal of hypersonic missiles. Same goes with the Tu-22M3. Even the various Su-30,34,35 and 57 will get their share of smaller hypersonic missiles.


    Putin has declassified a few secret weapon systems in is speech on March the 1st.
    We can only guess what remains classified.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:43 pm

    william.boutros wrote:The more interesting news would be whether Russians are flirting with Tu-160 launching of ballistic missiles to circumvent european missile defenses and tu22 for salvo attacks on maritime threats.


    They do but Kindzhal has one defined task: keep CVSGs at bay.  Tomahawk is like 2,500 km range. Kindzhal 2000km + 700 MiG 31 with high speed and high altitude. So neither escort not fighters have no change to close to Russian shores.





    TheArmenian wrote:Kinzhal is just the beginning.
    There will be a series of Russian hypersonic missiles entering service in the future. One of them will be the Zirkon that will be arming various ships and submarines of the RuNavy.
    The Tu-160M and PAK-DA will certainly have their own arsenal of hypersonic missiles. Same goes with the Tu-22M3. Even the various Su-30,34,35 and 57 will get their share of smaller hypersonic missiles.


    Putin has declassified a few secret weapon systems in is speech on March the 1st.
    We can only guess what remains classified.



    But the best is it DOES NOT fall under any ballistic arms' reduction treaty respekt respekt respekt
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    Post  zg18 on Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:59 pm

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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:58 am

    Appears that Kinzhal makes use of MiG31's R-33 (Izdeliye 410 / NATO AA-9 Amos) AKU-410 panto-graphic ejector racks.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:02 pm

    George1 wrote:.............
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    Okay, people keep saying how this missile has no air intakes but then what are those red things on it?

    When you account for guidance system and warhead that is exactly where intakes would be located.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:34 pm

    They may be sensors instead. Otherwise, I don't see reason for it to be covered.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:26 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:They may be sensors instead. Otherwise, I don't see reason for it to be covered.

    Intakes are always covered, same goes for jet engines
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:50 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:They may be sensors instead. Otherwise, I don't see reason for it to be covered.

    Intakes are always covered, same goes for jet engines

    Yes, I seem to recall now that covers for intakes are red.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:40 pm


    Here are stills from the video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttPQJyn4w4

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    Not the most detailed image but those ''covers'' seem to be gone here, supposed intake we can see now would be third one in the rear near blurred section from previous picture, other two are not visible from this angle.

    My money is on air-breathing engine.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:14 pm

    If we are going to consider the notion of some air breathing engine then there are too few intakes. Mach 10 can be achieved with
    solid rocket propellant. It appears that Russia has pushed the chemistry to higher limits for this fuel.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:20 pm

    Hey, with England being a bunch of bitches and threatening Russia, maybe we will be lucky to see this missile sink a UK carrier.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:01 am

    If it has a range of 2,000km then it cannot be rocket powered and with a speed of mach 10 then it can only be scramjet powered because a solid rocket motor would not carry it 2,000km and a ramjet is not able to operate at such high speeds.

    Seeing as how from this we can assume it is a scramjet it is fairly obvious that intakes are obviously covered or retracted and uncover or deploy when the solid rocket booster has burned out.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:09 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Hey, with England being a bunch of bitches and threatening Russia, maybe we will be lucky to see this missile sink a UK carrier.

    precision strike on Downstreet Smile
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:03 am

    Yeah... have a parade in London where it is actually raining bits of May... a May parade... or more formally a Theresa May parade... or should that be cascade... or perhaps waterfall... the commies will love it because it will be red...  Twisted Evil

    Well if evil putin is going to murder two nobodies and Russia is going to suffer under sanctions because of it why not take down a head of state and go for some good old fashioned red blooded American regime change... I would say a percentage of the british population would appreciate it actually... who is bringing the beer...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:Yeah... have a parade in London where it is actually raining bits of May... a May parade... or more formally a Theresa May parade... or should that be cascade... or perhaps waterfall... the commies will love it because it will be red...  Twisted Evil
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    meh not red with plasma it would cauterize nicely Smile




    Well if evil putin is going to murder two nobodies and Russia is going to suffer under sanctions because of it why not take down a head of state and go for some good old fashioned red blooded American regime change... I would say a percentage of the british population would appreciate it actually... who is bringing the beer...

    as long as it is not Heineken nor any of Fench beer by products I am glad to bring Smile
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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:54 pm

    GarryB wrote:If it has a range of 2,000km then it cannot be rocket powered and with a speed of mach 10 then it can only be scramjet powered because a solid rocket motor would not carry it 2,000km and a ramjet is not able to operate at such high speeds.

    Seeing as how from this we can assume it is a scramjet it is fairly obvious that intakes are obviously covered or retracted and uncover or deploy when the solid rocket booster has burned out.

    1) You assume a constant burn.

    2) 2000 km translates to 10 minutes of total flight time at Mach 10.

    3) Nobody said Mach 10 was the peak speed. In fact, it sounded like a reference to "effective speed". So it could
    easily be a two stage rocket design (but with one body instead of two sections). A rapid Mach 15 initial burn followed
    by a gradual momentum maintenance burn to prevent air drag from reducing range too much. So this thing likely takes
    less than 10 minutes to traverse 2000 km.

    4) Those tiny intakes would be producing vacuum cavities in a scramjet. Seriously, it is laughable to claim
    that those intakes are sufficient for a scram jet. Not a single ramjet or scramjet diagram shows a tiny inflow
    aperture. In fact it looks like a ram scoop, i.e. the intake area is large compared to the compression zone.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:22 pm

    Russia picks MiG-31 fighter as a carrier for cutting-edge hypersonic weapon

    TASS highlights the history of creation and the unique potential integrated into the Russian fighter-interceptor, and also the capabilities of the Kh-47M2 invincible missile


    In March 2018, the world learnt that Russia possessed the Kinzhal (Dragger) unique airborne hyper-sonic missile system designed to destroy ground and sea targets. The MiG-31 supersonic long-range all-weather fighter jet developed by the MiG Design Bureau during the Soviet period and accepted for service in 1981 was chosen as a carrier for the new missile system.

    The MiG-31 or the Foxhound as it is called in the West is a veteran of Russia’s Aerospace Force but is still unique by its speed and altitude capabilities.

    The fighter jet can easily climb to an altitude of 25 km and accelerate to 3,000 km/h, after which the missile that reaches the point of its discharge within minutes starts its autonomous flight. Nuclear and conventional munitions are delivered to the target to a distance of up to 2,000 km. Moreover, the missile can deal a serious blow on the enemy without entering its heavily protected air and anti-ballistic missile defense system.

    Thanks to the MiG-31’s high performance characteristics, the hypersonic missile with low radar signature and highly maneuverable capabilities of the Kinzhal system (the Kh-47M2 missile as some open sources report) has no rivals in the world.

    Kinzhal’s invulnerability

    In a video shown by the Russian president on March 1, a MiG-31BM plane delivered a missile to a point of its discharge, following which it flew at hypersonic speed (at more than 10 times the speed of the sound) and maneuvered at all the sections of its flight path. In the opinion of Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, the basic specific task and complexity was to ensure that the missile could reach hypersonic speeds, i.e. about 10 Mach.

    “This allows approaching a target quite quickly as compared, for example, to cruise missiles that fly at an average cruising speed of around 850-900 km/h, i.e. the primary specificity is speed, in the first place,” the deputy defense minister said.

    As the second specific feature, it is capable of maneuvering during its flight with the help of aerodynamic control and bypassing air defense or anti-ballistic missile defense zones, Borisov said.

    Yuri Borisov, Deputy Defense Minister of Russia wrote:The anti-missile shield becomes pregnable in this situation. Precisely the ability to maneuver in a hypersonic flight makes this weapon invulnerable and makes it guaranteed that it hits the target

    As Commander-in-Chief of Russia’s Aerospace Force Colonel-General Sergei Surovikin said, the creation of the Kinzhal system marked an important breakthrough in the development of hypersonic weapons. A carrier aircraft delivers an aero-ballistic missile to the area of its discharge within just minutes, after which the main propulsion unit accelerates the munition to hypersonic speed within seconds. “At the final section of the flight path, a homing warhead is activated to ensure the required accuracy and selectivity of target engagement in any time of day or night,” the commander-in-chief said.

    The flight to the target also takes several seconds, which excludes the missile’s interception by air defense capabilities. The Kinzhal’s efficiency has been numerously proven during state trials.

    From December 2017, the first aviation unit in Russia’s Southern Military District armed with the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system went on experimental and combat duty to test the fundamentals of the system’s combat use.

    “This is far from being fantastic,” Deputy Defense Minister Borisov says.

    “Moreover, this is a class of precision weapons fitted with multifunctional combat capabilities making it possible to strike both stationary and mobile targets. Specifically, aircraft carriers and cruiser-class warships, destroyers and frigates are potential targets for this weapon,” the defense official said.

    In the opinion of TASS military expert Viktor Litovkin, the deployment of MiG-31 fighters carrying the Kinzhal hypersonic missile systems in the Southern Military District can be most likely explained by the need “to keep under control the Black Sea area,” which US and NATO warships armed with Tomahawk long-range cruise missiles regularly enter, posing a threat to strategic missile systems in Russia’s European part.

    “The Kinzhal system is precisely intended for their deterrence. Intruders must know about this,” the expert said.

    Incidentally, the crews of Kinzhal airborne hypersonic missile systems in the Southern Military District have already performed about 250 flights day and night in various weather conditions since the beginning of 2018, according to the reports by Russia’s Defense Ministry.

    Viktor Litovkin, TASS military expert wrote:Besides, close to the Black Sea area is Syria where we have our interests, the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea, as well as the Hmeymim and Tartus military bases. It is not ruled out that the Kinzhal may also come in useful in this region, all the more so as the distance from the Krasnodar Region to Syria is not very large. It takes half an hour flight by a MiG-31 fighter jet


    On March 11, Russia’s Defense Ministry posted new footage of the Kh-47M2 hypersonic missile’s trials. The video shows a MiG-31 fighter jet without external hardpoints for R-33 air-to-air missiles making part of the fighter’s organic armament. A new external sling has been specially developed for the Kh-47M2, which suggests the weapon’s big weight. As military experts presume, the fighter jet may get a new modification in the future, for example, the MiG-31K. It should be noted that initially the aircraft was an interceptor rather than a carrier of air-to-surface weapons.
    Viktor Litovkin, TASS military expert wrote:
    I believe that the strategic Tu-22M3 long-range aircraft will also be upgraded in a perspective as Kinzhal carriers. They are supersonic and can also take on a large load of munitions (12 tonnes), including the Kinzhal. The only thing to be done is to make structural changes in the aircraft

    The data of open sources suggest that the Kinzhal is a distant prototype of the Soviet Kh-15 tactical attack missile accepted for service in 1988. At the same time, the Kinzhal’s external outlook has similarity with the 9M723-1 aero-ballistic missile (NATO reporting name: SS-26) of the Iskander-M missile system. It has a flight speed of up to 1,800 m/s and an operating range of 400 km. Most likely, the Kinzhal’s first stage was developed on the basis of the Iskander missile system. The missile’s front part shown in the video was blurred.

    The Kh-15 hypersonic missile with the thermonuclear warhead was regarded as a Soviet response to the US SRAM missile that went into service in the US Air Force in 1972. The Kh-15 was intended for arming Tu-22M, Tu-95MS and Tu-160 strategic long-range bombers. However, before the disintegration of the USSR, only several regiments of Tu-22M3 long-range bombers had the time to learn to operate the new missile. The mass production was impeded by economic problems and the range unsatisfactory for the military as it did not allow operating outside the area of enemy air defenses. When launched from a bomber, the Kh-15 could climb to an altitude of over 40 km and then dive at the target following the trajectory close to the ballistic flight path and developing a speed of Mach 5.

    Russia started to gradually phase out the Kh-15 missile in the early 2000s owing to the termination of its serial production and the expiry of the warranty period of keeping solid-propellant components. It is known that it was used as the basis to develop missiles with conventional warheads – the Kh-15P anti-radar missile and the Kh-15S anti-ship missile. Su-27 fighter jets could be among carriers for the latter missile; however, there are no data on its acceptance for service.

    Despite such similarity in design, the Kinzhal’s performance characteristics are by a factor higher than the parameters of the 9M723-1 and the Kh-15.

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    Post  Arrow on Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:31 pm

    he world learnt that Russia possessed the Kinzhal (Dragger) unique airborne hyper-sonic missile system designed to destroy ground and sea targets. T wrote:

    Air-launch ballistic missile is unique? :shock:Cirkon is more unique.
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:37 pm

    Kinzhal missile fly up to mach 10 speed.

    So lets see how fast is this..

    it covers

    3.43 kilometer  in 1 second..  Shocked

    205.8 kilometers  in 1 minute..

    and the most probable combats will happen from 100km to 300km.

    So this means ,that a mig 31 flying very high ,could strike and aircraft carrier group
    with a nuclear armed missile in just 30 seconds.. if fire them withing 100km distance.
    This is an incredibly low time , that NATO will have to counter the missile..
    and if it is true? that Russia plasma stealth that the missile have ,works as good as their animation videos..
    Then NATO will not even be aware of the missile at all being fired ,and will only detect the missile through
    infrared sensors ,only when is 5 to 10 seconds the missile from impact.. So it will be a total wipe of the battle group.
    All battle group wiped.. in just 30 seconds.. forcing NATO to completely change their defense positions big time..
    and stay farther from Russia land.. and to spread their naval forces even further ,allowing submarines to more
    easily sneak inside their battle groups.

    For me the ultimate deterrence will be a Mesosphere stealth killer carrier bomber with plasma stealth tech... to bypass NATO radars.. This will allow Russia to position their bombers right on top NATO battle groups. and undetected.
    and position their bombers very close strike distance ,that is just 50km away.. and in just 15 seconds.. sink an
    aircraft carrier with domestic bomb or the entire battle group with a small nuclear blast.. and wipe their radars and
    totally damage the electronics..  disabling the battle group and making it very easy to sink them..

    So if NATO build Aircraft carriers.. Russia should counter it..with long range mesosphere bombers ,armed with
    hypersonic kinzhal missile.. So if NATO deploy 12 aircraft carrier , then Russia counter it by deploying 12 mesosphere
    bombers armed with conventional and nuclear armed kinzhal missiles.. That way .. in case the unthinkable happen..
    and Russia realize NATO is preparing to strike Russia , then Russia can give the order of complete defeat of US navy aircarriers groups.. and by making the bombers nuclear engine... they can stay weeks or months in air..

    This also could be used to decapitate the leadership of any government in the world.. a surprise attack and boom..
    in just 1minute to 3minutes.. wipe the government of any hostile nation without warning.. and provoke a civil war
    for the lack of government.

    So what could be better than a Kinzhal missile for strategic war ?
    Than building an aircraft ,that will allow the missile to be deployed very close to the enemy ,withing visual distance
    of the target..while remaining hidden of the enemy.. and strike in a matter of 15 to 30 seconds.  it will be a one side fight.

    What is important to remember ,that very few people realize.. is there are elite forces in NATO that will consider
    acceptable  and nuclear war with Russia , even at the cost of millions of civilians if in the end they can quickly defeat Russia ,by a surprise massive attack. from close to Russian borders. it was Putin who told recently NATO is deploying
    no less than 60 warships + submarines in "training exercises" withing dozens of kilometers of Russia borders in Norway coast..  What they are doing in testing strategy for a nuclear first strike massive attack. that they will not do it for fear of Russia retaliation is not necessarily true.. because all  this elite billionaires who controls US and UK policies have properties all around the world..The later saying is that they building properties in new zealand to have a chance to survive a nuclear war between US and Russia.

    NATO exercises in baltics also train for an invasion of Russia in a zone totally nuked and full of radioactivity..
    That is Preventive nuclear massive strike ,followed by a full scale NATO invasion .. What all this means..
    is that people cannot use traditional logic , in understanding NATO strategy with Russia.. Since many crazy generals
    will not mind a nuclear war .,if they can strike first and significantly reduce Russia capabilities to do a full nuclear strike.


    This is why Russia needs an strategy to bring down very fast NATO navies.. in case of a nuclear war..because
    even if Russia manage to nuke all United States, the US navies ,NATO navies will be untouched..and still combat capable. and can reorganize the American government in Europe or other secret parts of the world.

    So forget about Pak-fa .. or any other plane..
    The real serious major leagues deterrence for Russia that could develop is a
    1)Mesosphere stealth Bomber that carry several Kinzhal missiles.
    2)A Mig 41 , that is also stealth and carry Kinzhal missiles too.

    NATO strategy is control of all the seas. and this is not coincidence.. this is a strategy of long term war..
    knowing that it will not be won by nukes.. but if you control the sea routes and destroy a nation economy
    that you can force them to surrender.

    So Russia can answer and totally blow away ,NATO navies with just a dozen of Mesosphere bombers and
    enough MIg-41..armed with hypersonic missile to dominate lower earth space.. Who totally dominate space will have the power to totally control anything under it..,also block space access, can also control satellites . this will be really humiliating and force NATO to the negotiation table. If NATO wants to controls the seas.. Russia can counter that more efficiently
    by their airforce creating space superiority. and enforcing a No Space zone..  Cool

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