[Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread:

Stealthflanker wrote:it's kinda pain though to see Granit disappear  

I doubt they would retire it without a better-than-equivalent replacement. I do not see any evidence of
cost cutting and lack of capacity for technological improvement. These days Russian missiles can be
half the size and do the same damage.

Granit is a very powerful weapon, but think of it as being a huge turbojet powered aircraft with a rocket booster.

Onyx is less than half the weight though it is still a big missile it is just as fast, if not faster and is rocket ramjet powered... ie simpler, lighter, cheaper, faster. It has a range of at least 500km... some say 700km, which is about the same as the range the Granit is speculated to have.

the electronics of the Onyx is miles ahead of the electronics of the 1980s Granit so new secret capabilities are likely... and the next step is the Zirconium which replaces the ramjet with a scramjet and likely will be getting into service in the early 2020s... using the same UKSK tubes.., so practically every vessel in the fleet by then will immediately be able to carry it.

Would Admiral Nakhimov be able to take on a Carrier by herself? I know there was a comparision between Pytor Velikiy been sunk before she could reach a carrier. Will the modified Admiral Nakhimov be able to do it?

GarryB wrote:Granit is a very powerful weapon, but think of it as being a huge turbojet powered aircraft with a rocket booster.

Onyx is less than half the weight though it is still a big missile it is just as fast, if not faster and is rocket ramjet powered... ie simpler, lighter, cheaper, faster. It has a range of at least 500km... some say 700km, which is about the same as the range the Granit is speculated to have.

the electronics of the Onyx is miles ahead of the electronics of the 1980s Granit so new secret capabilities are likely... and the next step is the Zirconium which replaces the ramjet with a scramjet and likely will be getting into service in the early 2020s... using the same UKSK tubes.., so practically every vessel in the fleet by then will immediately be able to carry it.

Accoeding to Wiki, the range of a P-800 is only 300 kilometres. Is this true or is it lies?

Naval Fan wrote:

GarryB wrote:Granit is a very powerful weapon, but think of it as being a huge turbojet powered aircraft with a rocket booster.

Onyx is less than half the weight though it is still a big missile it is just as fast, if not faster and is rocket ramjet powered... ie simpler, lighter, cheaper, faster. It has a range of at least 500km... some say 700km, which is about the same as the range the Granit is speculated to have.

the electronics of the Onyx is miles ahead of the electronics of the 1980s Granit so new secret capabilities are likely... and the next step is the Zirconium which replaces the ramjet with a scramjet and likely will be getting into service in the early 2020s... using the same UKSK tubes.., so practically every vessel in the fleet by then will immediately be able to carry it.

Accoeding to Wiki, the range of a P-800 is only 300 kilometres. Is this true or is it lies?

Export restricted range.

Russian missile has significantly longer range.

Naval Fan wrote:Would Admiral Nakhimov be able to take on a Carrier by herself? I know there was a comparision between Pytor Velikiy been sunk before she could reach a carrier. Will the modified Admiral Nakhimov be able to do it?

One ship vs an entire carrier group?

Not a very fair comparison. If Russia HAD To sink a carrier they would use some surface ships, a few submarines and Tu-22 strikes for a massive saturation attack.

Also, what sunk the Peter the Great? Harpoons? It could keep shooting them down for a looooong time, given its defensive armament.

I'm just gonna guess that this was some kind of Western game...

Would Admiral Nakhimov be able to take on a Carrier by herself? I know there was a comparision between Pytor Velikiy been sunk before she could reach a carrier. Will the modified Admiral Nakhimov be able to do it?

Carrier or carrier group... because if you add the Carrier Group then you would have to include a battle group supporting the Nakhimov.

Accoeding to Wiki, the range of a P-800 is only 300 kilometres. Is this true or is it lies?

The only Russian or Soviet anti ship missiles with 300km range are for export.

the only way a US carrier could sink a Kirov class vessel would be with lots and lots of Harpoons and even then I doubt they could do it... in comparison a few nuclear tipped Granits or Kalibrs or Onyx missiles would ruin any carriers day very quickly.

Naval Fan wrote:Would Admiral Nakhimov be able to take on a Carrier by herself? I know there was a comparision between Pytor Velikiy been sunk before she could reach a carrier. Will the modified Admiral Nakhimov be able to do it?

yep, but just like xcom satellites are key. if you can see the carrier group and know where its going the nakhimov would just meet it halfway and then do an alpha strike. nuke warheads mean even 1 is plenty for a supercarrier, have some explode just within aegis SAM range, time the creeping nuke explosions so that a handful would get through the ionised atmosphere then its all profit.

Naval Fan wrote:

GarryB wrote:Granit is a very powerful weapon, but think of it as being a huge turbojet powered aircraft with a rocket booster.

Onyx is less than half the weight though it is still a big missile it is just as fast, if not faster and is rocket ramjet powered... ie simpler, lighter, cheaper, faster. It has a range of at least 500km... some say 700km, which is about the same as the range the Granit is speculated to have.

the electronics of the Onyx is miles ahead of the electronics of the 1980s Granit so new secret capabilities are likely... and the next step is the Zirconium which replaces the ramjet with a scramjet and likely will be getting into service in the early 2020s... using the same UKSK tubes.., so practically every vessel in the fleet by then will immediately be able to carry it.

According to Wiki, the range of a P-800 is only 300 kilometres. Is this true or is it lies?

The range of P-700 Granit supersonic anti ship missiles is from 600km to 700km range.. and kirov cruises carry 20 of them. and the Range of P-1000 is from 700k to 1,000km range/
Kalibr missiles antiship range is at least 700km but could be more.. The Kh-55 antiship nuclear armed missile for example have 3,000km range. So effectively Russia can target any warship in the california coast ,from Russia territory.. with a 200kt warhead ,(about 20x times Hiroshima bomb) , a dozen of those missile can effectively completely disable the operation of any battle group of hundreds of warships with aircraft carrier or sink it.. and off course kill people inside.

This is why i don't see the point of surface warships.. they are only useful for conventional wars.. but very questionable for nuclear warfare. Technically speaking.. Russia have the capabilities to wipe the entire US navy in just a few hours..from they press the button. if they do a preventive surprise attack launching dozens of them to every battle group of US navy.. in the world.. Of course such thing will be replied with a full scale nuclear attack on Russia.. so such scenarios are only for capabilities on a full nuclear interchange war.

Submarines in the other hand have better chances to hide and not being defeated ,if their position not know.

The 300km limit is a treaty of selling weapons between US and Russia.. i think it apply to air defenses too and to ballistics missiles..all missiles they export are dumbed down..to that limit. for security of Europe..and Russia from third rogue nations..But this is the case if both follow their own agreements. which in a real war ,im sure it will not be the case.. All newest Warships from Russia use Onyks and Kalibr missiles with 700km to 2600km range.. the longest range ones are land attack.

But in real terms the limits are more than anything fool promises.. between US and Russia.. In a real war ,no treaty will matter ,and anything will be valid to win.Nothing stop for example Russia to use an 10,000 km range Bulava ICBM to target a whole US navy fleets moving any place in the world. armed with conventional warhead or just nuclear ones.

Vann7 wrote:
This is why i don't see the point of surface warships.. they are only useful for conventional wars.. but very questionable for nuclear warfare.  Technically speaking.. Russia have the capabilities to wipe the entire US navy in just a few hours..from they press the button. if they do a preventive surprise attack launching dozens of them to every battle group of US navy.. in the world..  Of course such thing will be replied with a full scale nuclear attack on Russia.. so such scenarios are only for capabilities on a full nuclear interchange war.

Actually with that 300km limit it's dubious how effective surface warships will be even in conventional wars.

The 300km limit is a treaty of selling weapons between US and Russia.. i think it apply to air defenses too and to ballistics missiles..all missiles they export are dumbed down..to that limit. for security of Europe..and Russia from third rogue nations..But this is the case if both follow their own agreements. which in a real war ,im sure it will not be the case.. All newest Warships from Russia use Onyks and Kalibr missiles with 700km to 2600km range.. the longest range ones are land attack.

I think you mean "by" the U.S and Russia not "between", anyway i don't believe it applies to Air Defenses, it only applies to offensive weaponry Cruise/ballistic/AShMs and it's not technically a Treaty.

"third rogue nations" ooh come on Vann, you know better than that, that's just some BS term used by the U.S to justify deploying there "missile defense shield"

Originally the agreement was probably made to insure some level of military dominance against lesser countries that have no ability to produce long range missile and therefor control it's proliferation this had it's advantages at the time for the USSR, but now that the U.S and Nato in general have gone batsh#t crazy they are now using this agreement to effectively destroy any state that does not agree with them by basically giving them free rain, so instead of improving global stability it has actually become a detriment to it, and this become more problematic when they start bombing Russian, Chinese friendly countries or in the case of Iran a neutral state that will play a critical role in the silk road project, to say nothing of it's current role as an energy provider to both China and India.

Why Russia and China continue upholding this BS agreement still eludes me.

The cruiser "Peter the Great" will be modernized

http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150626/1090062646.html

MOSCOW, June 26 — RIA Novosti. Heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Peter the Great" will be the repair and modernization at Sevmash after there in 2018 will complete the upgrade of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov", said on Friday the Navy commander Admiral Viktor Chirkov.


"After completing the upgrade TARKR "Admiral Nakhimov" on "Sevmash" will begin modernization of the heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Peter the Great" — said Chirkov told reporters.
He added that the scope of modernization works, meets the experience and production capacities of "Sevmash". TARKR "Peter the Great" — the world's largest heavinesses shock battle ship with a nuclear power unit, designed to engage large surface and shore targets, ensure comprehensive anti-aircraft and anti-submarine defense compounds warships.

George1 wrote:The flagship of the Northern Fleet cruiser "Peter the Great" will be renovated

Good news.. well hope the repair will touch the air defense department... Getting rid of that old S-300F's Volna radar and replace it with 30N6.

Actually with that 300km limit it's dubious how effective surface warships will be even in conventional wars wrote:

I think those limits are only for the sale of missiles for export.. Russia domestic use weapons do not have those limits. China for example have not signed any treaty and its anti ship missiles have near 3,000 to 5,000 km range. I think Kalibr missiles can do 700km or more.. according to wiki estimates.

George1 wrote:The cruiser "Peter the Great" will be modernized on the "Sevmash" after 2018

Good piece of news

Backinblack wrote:

George1 wrote:The cruiser "Peter the Great" will be modernized on the "Sevmash" after 2018

Good piece of news

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Russia’s Pyotr Veliky cruiser for hypersonic missile upgrade

The Pyotr Veliky's current main armaments are Granit anti-ship missiles and the Fort air defense missile system, a naval analogue of the S-300 system

MOSCOW, February 19. /TASS/. Russian warship Pyotr Veliky - Peter the Great - will be fitted with new-generation hypersonic 3M22 missiles in a 2019-2022 upgrade for the Russian Navy's only operational nuclear-powered cruiser, the world’s largest nuclear-propelled military vessel that is not an aircraft carrier, a shipbuilding industry source told TASS on Friday.

"The Pyotr Veliky will start repairs in the third or fourth quarter of 2019. Repairs and upgrade are due for completion in late 2022, the ship to be equipped with Zircon hypersonic anti-ship missiles," the source said.

"The missile is undergoing development testing and will enter service if it passes," the source said, without specifying the trial schedule.

Another defense industry source told TASS that the cruiser, coded Project 11442 and having the NATO reporting name Kirov-class, would be equipped with 10 3S-14 launch systems for firing Onyx, Kalibr and Zircon missiles. Two launch versions exist - for four and eight missiles, the source not specifying which version would be installed.

Editor-in-chief of the journal National Defense Igor Korotchenko told TASS that the new missiles "will improve the ship’s combat characteristics, survivability and firing capabilities as well as expand its combat mission scope in various theaters of naval operations".

Zircon's operating parameters are classified. But according to open sources, the new missile’s range may be up to 400 kilometers, flying five times faster than the speed of sound.

The Pyotr Veliky's current main armaments are Granit anti-ship missiles and the Fort air defense missile system, a naval analogue of the S-300 system. The same-class Admiral Nakhimov cruiser is currently undergoing an upgrade and is due to reach navy ranks in 2018.

The Project 11442 Pyotr Veliky nuclear-powered guided missile cruiser is designed to sink hostile ships, destroy land targets and provide air defense for its formation. The cruiser carries the 130-mm AK-130 gun, land-attack, antiship and surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems, Kortik SAM/gun close-in weapons systems and the Vodopad antisubmarine missile/torpedo system. The ship was launched in 1989 and commissioned with the Russian Navy in 1998. It displaces 24,500 tons and measures 251 m long. It has a full power of 140,000 hp, a speed of 31 knots and a crew of 728. The cruiser carries a Kamov Ka-27 (Helix) helicopter or a derivative thereof.


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http://tass.ru/en/defense/857921

Zircon/hypersonic missiles for Peter the Great?

Source: cruiser "Peter the Great" in the course of modernization receive hypersonic missiles

magnumcromagnon wrote:Zircon/hypersonic missiles for Peter the Great?

Source: cruiser "Peter the Great" in the course of modernization receive hypersonic missiles

Well sounds legit, tho it will for start most likely carry mainly Kalibrs. All depends how dev of Zircon goes.

I just wanted to get some opinions on what you guys think of Pytor Veliky being in the Syrian conflict.

To base a ship long term requires having the facilities to service it. That would require massive investment for a ship with limited capabilities to influence a ground conflict. It is good to have it if Turkey is threatening our fighters on the coast or a target can be hit with guns, but it just doesn't really help in defeating ISIS.

Vladimir79 wrote:To base a ship long term requires having the facilities to service it.  That would require massive investment for a ship with limited capabilities to influence a ground conflict.  It is good to have it if Turkey is threatening our fighters on the coast or a target can be hit with guns, but it just doesn't really help in defeating ISIS.

Couldnt they use her and Slava for artillery firing?

Naval Fan wrote:

Vladimir79 wrote:To base a ship long term requires having the facilities to service it.  That would require massive investment for a ship with limited capabilities to influence a ground conflict.  It is good to have it if Turkey is threatening our fighters on the coast or a target can be hit with guns, but it just doesn't really help in defeating ISIS.

Couldnt they use her and Slava for artillery firing?

Kirov class is designed to fight large naval targets (eg. Aircraft carriers). It would not hurt to have it around but would be an overkill for Turkish Navy.

After upgrade it will be able to attack land targets (up to 80 kalibr missiles could be installed later) but for now it is strictly anti-naval vessel.

As for artillery it has pretty standard gun so any other vessel would be just as efficient and less hassle to bring it to the Mediterranean.

Plenty of other ships (and more importantly, aircraft) can deal with Syrian issue.

I do hope they park it in Syria from time to time after this whole thing gets sorted out just to freak Turks out. Would be hilarious...

Russia’s Northern Fleet flagship goes to sea first time in 2 years

The Pyotr Veliky crew has practised the entire range of basic training missions, checked the preparedness of weapons and the ship’s technical capabilities for operations at sea

MURMANSK, May 16. /TASS/. The heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Pyotr Veliky, the flagship of Russia’s Northern Fleet, has gone to sea for the first time in two years, the fleet’s press office reported on Monday.

"This is the first sea practice of the missile cruiser after the vessel’s technical readiness has been restored. The Pyotr Veliky crew has practised the entire range of basic training missions, checked the preparedness of weapons and the ship’s technical capabilities for operations at sea," the press office said.

The sailors of the Pyotr Veliky and the Sergei Osipov tanker have already held drills at anchorages off Severomorsk in north Russia. The crews held a joint training exercise to replenish supplies at the anchorage. The Pyotr Veliky is also expected to leave the home base in the escort of five coastal-type and ocean mine sweepers.

"The crew of the heavy missile cruiser will practice organizing its service on the march and check its weapons and technical capabilities in the Barents Sea during several days. Exercises will be held aboard the cruiser to practice the ship’s survivability on the move and at an anchorage, receive helicopters and also carry out anti-submarine warfare and air defense," the press office said.

The Pyotr Veliky’s voyage will be the first sea practice for recruits and some contract servicemen who joined the cruiser’s crew in 2015 and 2016," the press office sad.

In 2013-2014, the heavy missile cruiser Pyotr Veliky performed a voyage to the Mediterranean Sea, which lasted over seven months.

The Pyotr Veliky is the world’s largest nuclear-powered battleship, which is not an aircraft carrier. Its weapons suite comprises Granit anti-ship missiles and the Fort air defense missile system, which is the naval version of the S-300 antiaircraft missile complex.

A source in the Russian shipbuilding industry earlier told TASS that the Pyotr Veliky should undergo modernization in 2019-2022 to receive new armaments, including Tsirkon hypersonic missiles.


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http://tass.ru/en/defense/875950