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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:45 am

    thegopnik wrote:There are some confusing sources out there some say its weight is 20 tons, flies, 1000km/h has 5000km range, 2 ton payload and other sources say above 1,400km/s speeds, 25 tons, 6000km range and 6 ton payload.

    The latter holds more credibility, as it was stated by VVP to another head of state (Recep Tayyip Erdogan) and could be a potential future buyer. But even if the former was more true, the second stage engine for the Su-57 could be fitted on it to significantly increase performance.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm



    Of course they will build larger ships don't be an idiot.

    They are already laying down 15K ton landing ships, and have decided on a heavy Gorshkov design at 7K tons...

    They are upgrading their two remaining Kirov class ships... and returning their Kuznetsov carrier to service when its upgrade is done... is that for nothing... are they going to use them as river patrol boats?


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    Post  Viktor on Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:02 pm

    [quote="thegopnik"]There are some confusing sources out there some say its weight is 20 tons, flies, 1000km/h has 5000km range, 2 ton payload and other sources say above 1,400km/s speeds, 25 tons, 6000km range and 6 ton payload.

    I suspect.

    1400km/h - max speed
    1000km/h - cruising speed

    Still payload, altitude ceiling, range in different flight modes is unknown.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:55 am


    Russian shock drones will receive 9-A-7759 Thunder planning bombs


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    The Russian drone drone “Okhotnik” and “Altius” will be armed with high-precision gliding bombs 9-A-7759 “Thunder”. According to Izvestia, citing a source in the military-industrial complex, a fundamental decision on this has already been taken.

    According to the publication, the planning bomb 9-A-7759 "Thunder" has already been integrated into the weapons system of the heavy attack drone S-70 "Hunter". Tests for the discharge of mass-scale munitions of ammunition from the drone have already been carried out and are considered successful. In the case of Altius, the integration of planning bombs with the weapon system is not yet complete. In 2018, R&D was conducted to assess the feasibility of using ammunition from a drone, but they were not completed due to a temporary suspension of work on the drone project and the transfer of its development.

    It is reported that the Altius medium drone is capable of carrying two gliding munitions 9-A-7759, and the heavy S-70 Hunter up to four in the internal compartments on the external sling.

    The planning bomb 9-A-7759 Thunder was developed by Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation in three versions. The weight of the bomb in two versions is about 600 kg, in the third - around 490 kg. The hull length is 4192 cm, the diameter is 310 cm.

    Option 9-A-7759, in addition to folding wings, is equipped with a small jet engine. The flight range is 120 km, the mass of military equipment is 315 kg, the power of a high-explosive fragmentation warhead is 2 OFAB 250.

    Option 9-A1-7759 - the main engine is replaced with an additional high-explosive fragmentation charge. The flight range is 65 km, the mass of the warhead reaches 480 kg, the power is 1.5 OFAB 500U.

    Option 9-A2-7759. It has a high-explosive fragmentation warhead replaced by a thermobaric. The flight range is 65 km, the mass of the warhead is 370 kg, and the power is 2 KAB 500 OD.

    Ammunition is inflicted using the onboard inertial navigation system and signals from the GLONASS and NAVSTAR satellites. Deviation from the target at the maximum range is no more than 10 meters.


    https://topwar.ru/168386-rossijskie-udarnye-bespilotniki-poluchat-planirujuschie-bomby-9-a-7759-grom.html
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    Post  thegopnik on Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:45 pm

    This is probably the best news piece I have ever heard which might even top the announcements of the su-57 carrying an an internal hypersonic missile for these following two reasons.

    1. I was a little nervous as to why the Russians did not have something similiar to the gbu-53 with a 120km range or the spear 3 with either a 130 or 140km. Than they finally presen a 120km weapon but better yet weight of the thing is like 3 times the amount of the US or British glide bomb suggesting a bigger payload while firing 4 of those with a stealth profile.

    2. There have been other heavy stealth drones but none that have fired a weapon such as the phantom ray drone, x-47b, bae taranis or the neuron.

    Thanks for the excellent news
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    Post  Isos on Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:53 pm

    This weapon was developed from kh-38. It was presented long time ago, well not that long but few years ago for the mig29M/35. It is not a new weapon.

    The Okhotnik should be able to carry new weapons developed for su-57 including the new hypersonic missile or the kh-59mk2 with 500+km range. It has similar weapon bay.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:13 am

    Well to be fair the Kh-38 is a new weapon too that has not actually be deployed yet operationally AFAIK.

    The Kh-38 is supposed to replace the Kh-25 and Kh-29 families of weapons.

    This new variation of the Kh-38 are effectively gliding bomb versions of the same weapon... with options for half payload with engine and glide operations or double payload and just glide to target performance which I would think would be a good thing.

    The Kh-38 comes with a wide range of seeker and guidance options just as the Kh-25 and Kh-29 weapons it will replace did, so it makes sense that this new weapon will also be able to be fitted with a fairly wide range of seeker/guidance systems too which should make it rather flexible and reduce costs
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    Post  Austin on Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:35 am

    Russian Embassy in Delhi has just put out this interesting docu comparing Russian mil hardware with US- EU-Chinese competitors.

    Hardware includes the #Su-57, #Okhotnik, #T-90M, #S-400, #IL-76. Ironically, many- HQ-9

    https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/status/1229350428258648071

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    Post  dino00 on Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:09 pm

    The cost of heavy shock drones S-70 "Hunter" will be about 1 billion rubles. According to experts, after the start of mass production, the price can be reduced by 40–50% compared with prototypes.

    The most expensive component of the Hunter was a glider - it accounts for 45% of the total cost, which is almost 600 million rubles. Another 240 million rubles is the cost of a jet engine.

    https://iz.ru/1019435/2020-06-03/nazvana-stoimost-tiazhelykh-udarnykh-bespilotnikov-s-70-okhotnik

    Less than 15 million dollars thumbsup
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:10 pm

    dino00 wrote:The cost of heavy shock drones S-70 "Hunter" will be about 1 billion rubles. According to experts, after the start of mass production, the price can be reduced by 40–50% compared with prototypes.

    The most expensive component of the Hunter was a glider - it accounts for 45% of the total cost, which is almost 600 million rubles. Another 240 million rubles is the cost of a jet engine.

    https://iz.ru/1019435/2020-06-03/nazvana-stoimost-tiazhelykh-udarnykh-bespilotnikov-s-70-okhotnik

    Less than 15 million dollars thumbsup

    It is planned that the cost of S-70 Okhotnik heavy attack drones will amount to about 1 billion rubles per vehicle, sources in the military-industrial complex told Izvestia. Now prototypes are more expensive, but with mass production they will become cheaper. This will allow you to order a large batch of drones in case of successful completion of the tests.

    Full Article
    https://iz.ru/1019351/anton-lavrov-bogdan-stepovoi/okhotnik-na-milliard-stala-izvestna-tcena-samogo-moshchnogo-drona-rossii
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    Post  eridan on Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:12 pm

    Those costs, eventually 10 million USD per aircraft, suggest to me a rather sparsely equipped aircraft. With little in ways of capable sensors. Possibly even the stealth aspect not being focused on as much as one could focus, using state of the art expensive materials.

    Which in turn might mean the goal may be more to have a larger fleet of semi-expendable drones for attacking fixed, known targets, basically a bomb truck - rather than a more survivable drone with possible autonomous features, used for a wider range of missions.

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    Post  Isos on Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:30 pm

    Its shapes already makes it stealthy. No need for super absorbant materials.

    It will also be controled by su57 and prbably other jets so no need to have lot of electronics that makes it totally autonomous.
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:49 pm

    eridan wrote:Those costs, eventually 10 million USD per aircraft, suggest to me a rather sparsely equipped aircraft. With little in ways of capable sensors. Possibly even the stealth aspect not being focused on as much as one could focus, using state of the art expensive materials.

    Which in turn might mean the goal may be more to have a larger fleet of semi-expendable drones for attacking fixed, known targets, basically a bomb truck - rather than a more survivable drone with possible autonomous features, used for a wider range of missions.


    The contract was signed in 2011, the price in $ at that time was almost the double.
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    Post  marcellogo on Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:07 pm

    eridan wrote:Those costs, eventually 10 million USD per aircraft, suggest to me a rather sparsely equipped aircraft. With little in ways of capable sensors. Possibly even the stealth aspect not being focused on as much as one could focus, using state of the art expensive materials.

    Which in turn might mean the goal may be more to have a larger fleet of semi-expendable drones for attacking fixed, known targets, basically a bomb truck - rather than a more survivable drone with possible autonomous features, used for a wider range of missions.


    It could be that this is the price for a baseline model, with a very basic set.
    Let's say that it would be used like an attack aircraft, at the level of su-25SM3, so a small radar, Glonass and a Flir would be sufficient.


    Usually on case of UAV the electronic is considered separately by the frame.
    So, in other variants cost would be higher.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:33 am

    eridan wrote:Those costs, eventually 10 million USD per aircraft, suggest to me a rather sparsely equipped aircraft. With little in ways of capable sensors. Possibly even the stealth aspect not being focused on as much as one could focus, using state of the art expensive materials.

    Which in turn might mean the goal may be more to have a larger fleet of semi-expendable drones for attacking fixed, known targets, basically a bomb truck - rather than a more survivable drone with possible autonomous features, used for a wider range of missions.


    drones shouldn't be too expensive the whole point is if they get shot down A) no loss of life, B) no loss of expensive aircraft. $10mn is still a lot of cash, they may have different versions this could be a base model.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:19 am

    Claiming it might not be very good because it is not expensive probably works for American systems, but not for Russian weapons.

    Drones are supposed to be expendable and cheap enough to be used in large numbers and be sent into areas of extreme danger...

    They are not supposed to replace Su-57s... just to support them...

    Simply by flying with them... perhaps 150km ahead of them with long range AAM or bombs or other missiles able to launch at threats that detect its presence they don't need to be invincible... they just need to launch their attack before the enemy attack brings them down... if they neutralise each other then the Su-57 can continue its job and can send the next S-70 forward to operate as point. For all we know once these drones have launched all their weapons they might be able to pull enormous g turns to evade incoming enemy weapons so it might take quite a bit to bring them down...
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    Post  william.boutros on Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:30 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:The cost of heavy shock drones S-70 "Hunter" will be about 1 billion rubles. According to experts, after the start of mass production, the price can be reduced by 40–50% compared with prototypes.

    The most expensive component of the Hunter was a glider - it accounts for 45% of the total cost, which is almost 600 million rubles. Another 240 million rubles is the cost of a jet engine.

    https://iz.ru/1019435/2020-06-03/nazvana-stoimost-tiazhelykh-udarnykh-bespilotnikov-s-70-okhotnik

    Less than 15 million dollars thumbsup

    It is planned that the cost of S-70 Okhotnik heavy attack drones will amount to about 1 billion rubles per vehicle, sources in the military-industrial complex told Izvestia. Now prototypes are more expensive, but with mass production they will become cheaper. This will allow you to order a large batch of drones in case of successful completion of the tests.

    Full Article
    https://iz.ru/1019351/anton-lavrov-bogdan-stepovoi/okhotnik-na-milliard-stala-izvestna-tcena-samogo-moshchnogo-drona-rossii

    Interesting, there doesn't seem to be a special radar.
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:42 pm

    eridan wrote:Those costs, eventually 10 million USD per aircraft, suggest to me a rather sparsely equipped aircraft. With little in ways of capable sensors. Possibly even the stealth aspect not being focused on as much as one could focus, using state of the art expensive materials.

    Which in turn might mean the goal may be more to have a larger fleet of semi-expendable drones for attacking fixed, known targets, basically a bomb truck - rather than a more survivable drone with possible autonomous features, used for a wider range of missions.


    Single engine, smaller air-frame, no need for life-support/ejection seat/input/avionics systems, and more reliant on Su-57 for sensors

    The price sounds about right.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:16 am

    Perhaps potential for a large PESA set that is relatively cheap but could offer a larger area for range and precision and it could be used as a forward deployed aerial receiver for signals from the Su-57s...

    With a properly coodinated setup it would effectively be the listening portion of a bistatic radar where one Su-57 scans the airspace while three or four forward deployed S-70s operating at higher altitudes listen for reflections not directed back at the original transmitter... like stealth aircraft are designed to do...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:54 pm

    UAV Hunter: zone of possible applicability - almost all NATO countries
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    One of the promising weapons that should appear in the Russian Armed Forces in the near future is the Okhotnik heavy attack drone, which began to be created as part of the S-70 program. To date, the prototype of the "Hunter" has passed a series of tests at the airport (including the "jump") and in the sky. One of the test flights was paired - with a fifth-generation fighter Su-57.

    With regard to the ongoing work on the Russian heavy impact drone, special attention is paid to its capabilities in the range and duration of combat missions. If you believe the data that began to be published recently, the radius of combat use is up to 3 thousand km.

    If we allow future deployment of this type of drones at one of the airfields near the western borders of Russia (for example, along the Bryansk-Smolensk-Pskov line), then we can determine that hypothetical circle with the radius indicated above. In other words, if suddenly it really comes to the combat use of the "Hunter", then the schedule will show which territories it is able to reach during the flight, taking into account the return to the base airfield, what is the target area, even without taking into account the radius of the missiles used.

    With the range of applicability of the Russian "Hunter" with its previously announced characteristics in range, almost all European NATO countries fall.
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    The radius of the Russian attack drone allows it to "reach" the territory right up to Madrid in the west, to Turkish Diyarbakir and further in the south, to cover the whole of Norway in the north-west.
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    It is clear that in the event of a conflict with NATO countries, the least that may be needed is to “drive” strike drones to the western borders of the European part of the North Atlantic military bloc. Another question is the demonstration of strength and capabilities in response to the ongoing implementation of NATO's expansion policy. The emergence of Russian drones, which, as previously reported, will be equipped with electronic warfare systems, over the neutral waters of the Mediterranean and the North Atlantic is a mission that can play an important role in terms of defending Russia's interests.

    By the way, when placing the "Hunters" in the Far East, the territories of the USA and Canada fall into the zone of applicability.

    https://topwar.ru/173253-bpla-ohotnik-zona-vozmozhnoj-primenimosti-pochti-vse-strany-nato.html

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    Post  dino00 on Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:01 pm

    Russia to start serial deliveries of latest heavy strike drone in 2024

    MOSCOW, August 3. /TASS/. The serial deliveries of the latest Okhotnik (Hunter) stealth heavy strike drone to the Russian troops will begin in 2024, United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Head Yuri Slyusar reported to Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday.

    "We received an assignment from the Defense Ministry to speed up the experimental design work and maximally adjust the schedule in order to begin the deliveries already from 2024. That is why, we are actively working with colleagues on this issue," the chief executive said.


    https://tass.com/defense/1185183

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    Post  LMFS on Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:24 pm

    dino00 wrote:Russia to start serial deliveries of latest heavy strike drone in 2024

    Wow that is VERY fast... and it will coincide with the appearance of the second stage of the Su-57, so they will be able to work in team from the very beginning...
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    Post  kvs on Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:46 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Russia to start serial deliveries of latest heavy strike drone in 2024

    Wow that is VERY fast... and it will coincide with the appearance of the second stage of the Su-57, so they will be able to work in team from the very beginning...

    This drone appeared out of nowhere with evidence of work on similar designs going back years (e.g. Skat). So 2024 has
    to be measured from the right time and it is not 2019 but more like the mid 2000s. Project achievements do not expire
    if effort is made to preserve them. So all they need is "certification" type flight testing of the current prototype. Four
    years is more than enough for this.

    Also, upthread we have total nonsense of converting to dollars to evaluate the merit of this project. This is BS since
    the nominal exchange rate is meaningless. One billion rubles is a lot of money in the real world. If properly PPP
    adjusted for Russian military prices (not consumer goods) we are looking at $125 to $150 million. But this involves
    setting up the manufacturing lines and all the initial investment going back several years. I think the eventual
    price per unit will be well under $50 million.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:14 pm

    The design is safe. Engine from su35/57. Weapon bay from su-57. Electronic and datalink probably the same. The flying wing design is simple.

    That will keep the price very low with no surprises.

    It's not everything new like on western drones.
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    Post  Hole on Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:38 pm

    Yeah, even the wheels are new on western drones so the company can charge another 10 Million.

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