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    S-70 "Okhotnik" UCAV

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    Post  x_54_u43 Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:12 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    x_54_u43 wrote:...And yeah, delusional to think a this is disposable platform.

    It has no pilot inside and one of it's duties is to take one for Su-57 if needed

    It's disposable

    It's not cheap but it's definitely disposable, nobody will mourn it's loss


    Just because a unmanned vehicle has no crew to lose doesn't mean they can be considered disposable or small issue if lost, I can assure you that more than a few analysts and planners in the Pentagon would have rather lost a crewed fighter to Iran rather than one of their four Global Hawks configured for a specific role, that loss could lead to even more lives lost.

    Obviously S-70 is not anywhere close to strategic role that Global Hawk plays, but it is not a disposable asset in any sense, it is a long range heavy strike UCAV, any loss would be absolutely avoided to near the same degree as Su-57, though of course it is a significantly more replaceable asset than a Su-57.

    Real disposable is Kronstadt's Molniya, and Grom could also considered to be "attritable" in that sense as well.

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    Post  Mir Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:17 pm

    The production version will look something like this from the back - it may just get a completely new engine with very different specs?

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:43 pm

    Mir wrote:The production version will look something like this from the back - it may just get a completely new engine with very different specs?
    [img]https://i.servimg.com/u/f87/20/34/80/58/s70-ca10.jpg

    Same engine but with flat nozzle and afterburner section removed

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:49 pm

    When we talk about disposable there are degrees of disposable, and an unmanned platform is always more disposable than a manned platform for obvious reasons.

    Disposable does not mean cheap like you use it once and then throw it away like plastic forks at KFC.

    If the S-70 gets destroyed but gets the job done or saves an Su-57 in the process then I rather suspect it would be considered a successful mission.

    They do call them wingmen, rather than disposable one off suicide drones so they clearly expect to operate them more than once and during peace time they might even send them on their own to fly a perimeter looking for targets or threats.

    In normal operations they are an extra set of eyes and extra weapons that can be used to achieve goals.
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:33 pm

    Production of a prototype of the S-70 Okhotnik UCAV at the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after Chkalov
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:29 pm

    Sergei Shoigu paid a working visit to the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant, where he checked the progress of construction of a new Okhotnik UCAV. 

    At the moment, the plant is carrying out planned work on the production of prototypes of the S-70 U CAV as part of the Okhotnik program. The heavy vehicle is hardly noticeable for the enemy's air defense means and is equipped with target equipment for reconnaissance and aviation weapons of destruction.

    "We hope that by 2022 the work will be completed and we will be able to sign, as is now customary in the Armed Forces, a large long-term contract for drones" – the Russian Defense Minister said at a meeting after the inspection – This is necessary so that the industry knows how to build its plans for the next ten years, so that it can order and complete materials and other types of support."
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    Post  Lurk83 Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:00 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:Sergei Shoigu paid a working visit to the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant, where he checked the progress of construction of a new Okhotnik UCAV. 

    At the moment, the plant is carrying out planned work on the production of prototypes of the S-70 U CAV as part of the Okhotnik program. The heavy vehicle is hardly noticeable for the enemy's air defense means and is equipped with target equipment for reconnaissance and aviation weapons of destruction.

    "We hope that by 2022 the work will be completed and we will be able to sign, as is now customary in the Armed Forces, a large long-term contract for drones" – the Russian Defense Minister said at a meeting after the inspection – This is necessary so that the industry knows how to build its plans for the next ten years, so that it can order and complete materials and other types of support."
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    There is some video of the half built okhotnik on twitter. I don't know how link it via my phone. Shows more than the pic linked here.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:58 pm

    A little analytics on fresh photos:

    Judging by this image, the N036B radar is installed on the S-70, which is one of the side-view radars on the Su-57. 
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    It also seems that the share of the use of composites in the Okhotnik's design is small. And maybe this is a prototype with a flat nozzle

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    Post  Isos Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:09 pm

    An L band radar would be nice too. Just send them patrol in front of the su-57 and spot any stealth target.

    They can act as early warning radars.

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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:17 pm

    Lurk83 wrote:

    There is some video of the half built okhotnik on twitter. I don't know how link it via my phone. Shows more than the pic linked here.



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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:22 am

    An L band radar would be nice too. Just send them patrol in front of the su-57 and spot any stealth target.

    They can act as early warning radars.

    The L band AESAs could occupy the full space of the wing leading edges and be quite long...

    The angular precision of an IRST as well as its ranging laser means you could fly two S-70s above and to each side of an Su-57 and have all three operating their L Band AESA radar arrays at once... with cm level distance precision and very precise angular precision you could create a rather large area synthetic aperture radar array that should have amazing range and precision performance...
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    Post  ult Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:34 am

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:
    It also seems that the share of the use of composites in the Okhotnik's design is small. And maybe this is a prototype with a flat nozzle

    What do you mean? Practically the whole frame is made out of composites. Except for a small patches of aluminum which you can distinguish by their green tint, like on the top of intake.
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